Jean Grey vs. Storm

Originally posted by The Weather God
The professor is a much more powerful telepath and his link was not clear as you can see it even caused him pain to communicate with storm. He also mentions that it was storm's lightning that scrambled the link between the two not the whole bad weather, and rachel was unsuccessful at all in linking with storm until she got in the same room with her.

The scan shows that telepathy all the way from Genosha can get through her interference...meaning the Lightning field by no means stops his telepathy because he was communicating at actual time...
Rachel got Storm from close proximity where the field was at it's strongest.

Did i say it was one lightning bolt or does it have to be one lightning bolt when she uses it? No storm should be able to strike multiple lightning bolts at a time. There is a very short lag and i'm not disputing that now am i? But if my strategy plays out with jean trying a tp assault first then storm should be able to have multiple lightning bolts strike(rather she's guiding them or not) to the ground to scramble the link and cause interference. [/B]

Again how's she going to do that when that requires thought + action...and now you're talking about 5 lightning bolts which equals more thought. Remember all those times Jean and Storm went on field missions together. By no means did Storms storms or lightning inhibit Jeans telepathy. It was Storms electrical storm that made it hard for Rachel..but at close proximity she still did it...when the field is at it's strongest.
And again Rachel wasn't out to kill Storm...just calm her down.

BTW A Psi-fry won't allow Storm sufficient concentration to even use her powers as shown when she was knocked out of the sky, niether will a Psi-Force bolt. Or Jean cuts off Storms access to her powers via the brain and freezes her in place like Legion did.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
The scan shows that telepathy all the way from Genosha can get through her interference...meaning the Lightning field by no means stops his telepathy because he was communicating at actual time...
Rachel got Storm from close proximity where the field was at it's strongest.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Again how's she going to do that when that requires thought + action...and now you're talking about 5 lightning bolts which equals more thought. Remember all those times Jean and Storm went on field missions together. By no means did Storms storms or lightning inhibit Jeans telepathy. It was Storms electrical storm that made it hard for Rachel..but at close proximity she still did it...when the field is at it's strongest.

They both think at the same time, jean's power comes first... storm's powers on it's way, storm has already made the thought for it to happen and the tp assault is interfered

Originally posted by The Weather God
[B]Storm wasen't trying to block the proffessor tho she was just having trouble with her emotions that caused a little bad weather outside. The rachel scan shows that storm was on the inside with no lightning storm striking around her meaning the lightning storm was on the outside blocking the link. There wouldn't be any interference on the inside because the lightning is on the outside away from storm.

Still...she was creating an electric field due to the lightning and Xaviers telepathy got through.
Storm was trying to escape she wasn't trying to block Rachels telepathy. Only when Rachel came in close proximity did Storm try and resist.
It's a lightning field... and Rachel says Storm put this around herself. Meaning the field was around Storm.

They both think at the same time, jean's power comes first... storm's powers on it's way, storm has already made the thought for it to happen and the tp assault is interfered

Jeans power occurs first...meaning it cuts off Storm from her powers or fries her mind so she can't concentrate...Storm has to psionically control her lightning bolts. Meaning it doesn't strike at all....plus you're talking about maintaining an electric storm to place an electric field around her. Creating them is one thing directing them is another. She still has to create an entire electric storm...for that to occur and put up a field.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Still...she was creating an electric field due to the lightning and Xaviers telepathy got through.
Storm was trying to escape she wasn't trying to block Rachels telepathy. Only when Rachel came in close proximity did Storm try and resist.
It's a lightning field... and Rachel says Storm put this around herself.

You said yourself the field wasen't around storm but that the scramble was cause by a lightning storm. There is no lightning storm on the inside and therefor storm diden't have the lightning field around herself because she wasen't on the outside in the middle of the lightning storm, this is the reason they needed to get away from the lightning storm and get closer to storm so that the lightning storm wouldn't affect rachel's powers.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Jeans power occurs first...meaning it cuts off Storm from her powers or fries her mind so she can't concentrate...Storm has to psionically control her lightning bolts. Meaning it doesn't strike at all....plus you're talking about maintaining an electric storm to place an electric field around her.

Storm has to telekinetically control the lightning which is suppose to be at lightspeeds am i correct. Storm is already telepathically linked to the weather which shouldn't take very much time to manipulate seeing that her mad emotion causes a lightning storm without her manipulation at all.

Originally posted by The Weather God
You said yourself the field wasen't around storm but that the scramble was cause by a lightning storm. There is no lightning storm on the inside and therefor storm diden't have the lightning field around herself because she wasen't on the outside in the middle of the lightning storm, this is the reason they needed to get away from the lightning storm and get closer to storm so that the lightning storm doesn't affect rachel's powers.

I said the field was everywhere. Rachel says the field is around Storm.(Look at the scan)You do know what an electric field is right? The field extends from the lightning storm.
It's an electric storm not just the lightning..hence the reason why they say the weather is the cause as well as the lightning field.

Storm has to telekinetically control the lightning which is suppose to be at lightspeeds am i correct. Storm is already telepathically linked to the weather which shouldn't take very much time to manipulate seeing that her mad emotion causes a lightning storm without her manipulation at all. [/B]

Her powers would be cut off before she can control it. She psionically directs it...and lightning doesn't travel at the speed of light.
Stage 1 Thought....Storms powers cut off...or she's too busy having her mind fried to concentrate.

Or Jean could opt to start with her telekinesis...instead of her telepathy...which would just be messy.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I said the field was everywhere. Rachel says the field is around Storm.(Look at the scan)You do know what an electric field is right? The field extends from the lightning storm.
Hence the needed to get closer...it's an electric storm not just the lightning..hence the reason why they say the weather is the cause and the lightning field.

The Field was around the part where she was at but not just around storm or rachel would have recieve the same results when she went on the inside to calm storm down. This was the reason she was able to link with storm once she was close and right around her.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Her powers would be cut off before she can control it. She psionically directs it...and lightning doesn't travel at the speed of light.
Stage 1 Thought....Storms powers cut off...or she's too busy having her mind fried to concentrate.

But how does a storm come when storm just simply gets angry? Storm doesn't do any manipulating when her emotions are in a terrible state. When she haves a claustrophobic attack her powers go crazy and out of control without any manipulation at all of the weather. Storm should be able to think of a storm and it comes without her guiding it like a storm she doesn't create.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Or Jean could opt to start with her telekinesis...instead of her telepathy...which would just be messy.

I'll worry about the tk after the tp is finished.

Originally posted by The Weather God
[B]The Field was around the part where she was at but not just around storm or rachel would have recieve the same results when she went on the inside to calm storm down. This was the reason she was able to link with storm once she was close and right around her.

Nope...because the storm does not inhibit telepathy completely...as demonstrated by Professor X. And now by Rachel. The field was around Storm as stated by Rachel.

But how does a storm come when storm just simply gets angry? Storm doesn't do any manipulating when her emotions are in a terrible state. When she haves a claustrophobic attack her powers go crazy and out of control without any manipulation at all of the weather. Storm should be able to think of a storm and it comes without her guiding it like a storm she doesn't create.

Because her different emotions are causing weather patterns to move in an odd fashion which causes it do random things. Storm has to guide it...to make it do what she wants it to do. In this case she has to create an electric storm. And she has to psionically direct her lightning to form an electric field around herself.

Here's one...where it shows her concentrating...and the air swirling and then only does the action of a Tornado form in the "blink of an eye"
http://img130.imageshack.us/my.php?image=controllingair3oa6.jpg

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Nope...because the Storm does not inhibit telepathy completely...as demonstrated by Professor X. And now by Rachel. The field was around Storm as stated by Rachel.

Rachel="I'm trying but she's using this wild weather to establish a lightning field around her that scrambles my powers."

The wild weather is on the outside away from storm and therefor they needed to go on the inside where storm was so that rachel could use her powers and make a clear link to storm and show her the destruction she was causing.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Because her different emotions are causing weather patterns to move in an odd fashion which causes it do random things. Storm has to guide it...to make it do what she wants it to do. In this case she has to create an electric storm. And she has to psionically direct her lightning to form an electric field around herself.

Storm doesn't need to guide it and make it do what she wants, all she needs to do is create a lightning storm that would drown out the tp assault. As you said the storm is the lightning field.

Originally posted by The Weather God
[B]

Rachel="I'm trying but she's using this wild weather to establish a lightning field around her that scrambles my powers."

The wild weather is on the outside away from storm and therefor they needed to go on the inside where storm was so that rachel could use her powers and make a clear link to storm and show her the destruction she was causing.

The wild weather is around her as shown in the next scan. And Rachel clearly says:

"Using the wild weather to establish a lightning field around her"

I don't see what's the problem.

Storm doesn't need to guide it and make it do what she wants, all she needs to do is create a lightning storm that would drown out the tp assault. As you said the storm is the lightning field.

The electric storm(Also note the magnitude of both the storms shown in X-treme and UXM..whenever Storm and another telepath did field work Storms powers never inhibited their telepathy...the Storm has to be on the magnitude shown in X-treme and UXM) creates the electric field....and she won't be able to create this storm quick enough because her powers would be cut off. Plus it doesn't even completely nullify the telepathic assault as shown by Rachel and Xavier.

Storm won't be able to create it quick enough...she'll be cut off from her powers.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Here's one...where it shows her concentrating...and the air swirling and then only does the action of a Tornado form in the "blink of an eye"
http://img130.imageshack.us/my.php?image=controllingair3oa6.jpg

This was done in a literally blink of an eye meaning storm created this in less then a half second. 😉

Originally posted by The Weather God

This was done in a literally blink of an eye meaning storm created this in less then a half second. 😉

The Tornado appeared in "Literally a blink of an eye"...everything else i.e. Thinking...didn't

It's just like that scan where she drops the ice rain drops the temperature in seconds..the tornado appears in "Literally a blink of an eye" (BTW Idiom)...but this is only after her concentration and the air swirls.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
The wild weather is around her as shown in the next scan. And Rachel clearly says:

"Using the wild weather to establish a lightning field around her"

I don't see what's the problem.

storm was not on the outside of the bad weather and therefor the field is not just around storm. It's on the outside

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
The electric storm(Also note the magnitude of both the storms shown in X-treme and UXM..whenever Storm and another telepath did field work Storms powers never inhibited their telepathy...the Storm has to be on the magnitude shown in X-treme and UXM) creates the electric field....and she won't be able to create this storm quick enough because her powers would be cut off. Plus it doesn't completely nullify the telepathic assualt as shown by Rachel and Xavier.

Rachel was in the electric field and the proffessor was a much more powerful telepath. Storm can create an entire storm pretty fast, shall i get scans?

Originally posted by The Weather God
storm was not on the outside of the bad weather and therefor the field is not just around storm. It's on the outside

The field was around her...the weather was around her...it even says the field is around her. Look at everything swirling around her? Look at the weather around her in the second scan.

Rachel was in the electric field and the proffessor was a much more powerful telepath. Storm can create an entire storm pretty fast, shall i get scans? [/B]

Xavier was all the way in Genosha...Faster then thought an execution? Her powers would be cut off. Yes do get scans of her creating a storm as fast as the speed of thought.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
The Tornado appeared in "Literally a blink of an eye"...everything else i.e. Thinking...

It's just like that scan where she drops the ice rain drops the temperature in seconds..the tornado appears in "Literally a blink of an eye" (BTW Idiom)...but this is only after her concentration and the air swirls.

Originally posted by The Weather God
Yes i see and once again we do not know how fast her powers work. 🙄

Once again we're shown that there is a lag in her powers. It's not thought and execution as one. She'll get cut off from her powers or lose concentration due to her mind being fried before she can create an electric field.

Look at the bad weather around her.
http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm45711sh5.jpg

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
The field was around her...the weather was around her...it even says the field is around her. Look at everything swirling around her? Look at the weather around her in the second scan.

This scan just looks like she's trying to break free, it doesn't look like there's a field around her. rachel is standing a few feet away and i see no lightning storm or field around her.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Xavier was all the way in Genosha...Faster then thought an execution? Her powers would be cut off. Yes do get scans of her creating a storm as fast as the speed of thought.

I diden't say it was done in the speed of thought they'd already be posted here. I did however say that she can create a storm in a blink of an eye which means really fast, unknown how fast this is tho.

Originally posted by The Weather God
[B]
This scan just looks like she's trying to break free, it doesn't look like there's a field around her. rachel is standing a few feet away and i see no lightning storm or field around her.

Umm..in the previous scan they state that she's trying to escape hence the electric storm. You can see the bad weather around her the field extends from the storm. They said she put a field around her. What more do you want?

Again I ask you do you know what an electric field is? The lightning storm causes the electric field which is not visible.

I diden't say it was done in the speed of thought they'd already be posted here. I did however say that she can create a storm in a blink of an eye which means really fast, unknown how fast this is tho.

The lag is what stops her...it's not fast enough..it does not occur similtaneosly with thought...
She gets cut off from her powers at stage 1.

Stage 1 Both think

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Once again we're shown that there is a lag in her powers. It's not thought and execution as one. She'll get cut off from her powers or lose concentration due to her mind being fried before she can create an electric field.

Look at the bad weather around her.
http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm45711sh5.jpg

All she haves to do is think of storm and a storm is on it's way.

Originally posted by The Weather God
All she haves to do is think of storm and a storm is on it's way.

She has to manipulate weather patterns to create the electric storm. And the electric storm has to be on the magnitude of the one in UXM and X-treme otherwise it won't do anything.