Originally posted by Fatima
Umm , Do you think that this 6 years would make you have enough knowelge about islam , they were people spend more 10 ,15 years to study and search of islam and they never said that its enough .
Im sorry but some people just dont want to see the truth. Yes you do need to have in-depth knowledge of Islam but at the sametime you dont need to study for 100 years to know that Islam is oppresive.
Originally posted by Fatima
I dont know why you did become amuslim before ?and now you talk about it like this way .....maybe you didnt used to leave alcohol and the girls ? or what do you think 🙄
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Er no thats exactly what I did. I was a strict muslim because I wanted to do the right thing.
Originally posted by Fatima
anyway ,the islam still the most popular religion in the world 😎
So what? Its always the few that make a change.
Originally posted by Alliance [/i]
[B]
Perhaps, but you (general) need to be willing to at least listen to opinions other than your own.
There is adifferint between giving opnion and persuade other people of wrong idea instead of looking at the facts .
No, there are more Christians in the world. Unfortunately, popularity doesn't have an impact on its validity or general goodness (for lack of a better word)
Ya ,i know that 🙂 ,but i mean the most seprates religion , i read it from western site .
i belive that people influance by religion ,and they surelly know what is good for them .
Originally posted by Alfheim
[B]Im sorry but some people just dont want to see the truth. Yes you do need to have in-depth knowledge of Islam but at the sametime you dont need to study for 100 years to know that Islam is oppresive.ohh, why do you think that people dont want to see the truth?... 🙄 ...unless they dont want to belive it ..
[QUOTE]Er no thats exactly what I did. I was a strict muslim because I wanted to do the right thing.
umm ,you mean more than 1 billion muslims are follows the worng way , now ?
So what? Its always the few that make a change.
i just wanted to tell you that if islam was really oppresive and ignorant ,no one would got in it .. 🙂
Originally posted by Fatima
Ya ,now Uzrin and Alfheim are experts in islamic religion 🙄
I am not trying to insult your religion as a whole. I am targetting Muslim Extremism, the same way I target Christian Extremism, or Extremism of any kind....even Liberal Extremism pisses me off.
Perhaps I am ignorant of the Islamic Customs in your particular country. Please enlighten me...what country are you from exactly ?
Any time I critisize Islam, I only refer to countries like Iraq, Iran, Palestine, and some parts of Saudi Arabia where the Death Penalty is given to people for the most absurd things.
In Iraq, two gay teenage boys were hung for having sex. Guess what thier ages were: 14 and 16 ! Two young boys killed for having sex ..... and the reason was based on Muslim Law.... backed up by natural bias, ofcourse, but Iraq claims that Islam has no tolerance for "sexual deviancy" or feminine power.
I do not mean to insult the entire Arab nations for the actions of one country. For that I apologize. For me to insult the entirety of Islamic Nations is like someone from your nation insulting the entire United States and all of South America because most of us happen to be Christian.
I also applaud you on your presentation. You are very calm and collected, and you always answer as professional as you can. You never sink so low as to insult your debate opponent like I sometimes do, and like everyone else on this thread does.
Good Day to you
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I don't know where you got that, but as Uzren confirms and as Alfheim just said, it does actually.
Islam oppresses women as much as Christianity does in many parts of the world. However, it was Islam Extremism that I was actually referring to, that occur in places like Iraq, Iran, and the like.
Fatima claims that where she lives, Men and Women are seen as equal....although she seems content in her position, and I'm glad for her, it just so happens that many women in Arab nations make no complaints what-so-ever about thier obvious oppression.
In some Arab towns, if a woman is raped, her family will disown her. On top of that, in order to regain thier "honor", someone in the family has to kill the raped woman, and erase all traces of her memory.
So basically, a woman will be blamed for something horrible that happened to her, even though it was NOT her fault, and beyond her control. On top of that, the man who kills her will be seen as a HERO, and the man who raped her will go free with only a few days in jail.
Tell me that is NOT TWISTED !
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Originally posted by Fatima
ohh, why do you think that people dont want to see the truth?... 🙄 ...unless they dont want to belive it ..
Yeah basically.
Originally posted by Fatima
umm ,you mean more than 1 billion muslims are follows the worng way , now ?
The point is that you siad that maybe I didn't enjoy Islam because maybe I was doing unislamic things. Im just telling you that was not the case.
Originally posted by Fatima
i just wanted to tell you that if islam was really oppresive and ignorant ,no one would got in it .. 🙂
Well your average human being is not impressive. Anyway some people like to suffer.
Originally posted by Fatima
There is adifferint between giving opnion and persuade other people of wrong idea instead of looking at the facts.
Yes, however, self-analysis is imperitive in the modern world. People need to consistantly re-examine everything. Most of the people here have used facts, as have you. All the facts do not point to one answer.
Originally posted by Fatima
Ya ,i know that 🙂 ,but i mean the most seprates religion , i read it from western site .
i belive that people influance by religion ,and they surelly know what is good for them .
People let many terrible people with power pursuade them throught history. In every culture you can find examples. People who refuse to analyze their position in an unbaised context will never know what is good for them.
One nice thing about a global forum is that it gives you an outside perspective.
Originally posted by Alliance
[B]Yes, however, self-analysis is imperitive in the modern world. People need to consistantly re-examine everything. Most of the people here have used facts, as have you. All the facts do not point to one answer.Ya , i agree but when i told them to present the proof they just ignore me ,,and talking without proof make no statement ..i guess 😉
[QUOTE]The "west" is not infallible. Infact, there are likely just as many stupid people here than anwhere else in the world. Most websites have zero credibility.
Its actually famous university made astatistics . also ,i dont depend on one source i like to has accredited info about source before i said so .
People let many terrible people with power pursuade them throught history. In every culture you can find examples. People who refuse to analyze their position in an unbaised context will never know what is good for them.
If they were ignorance maybe they would belive , I think that people would know what is good from if they stop analyze others people position and leave their own without solutions ...everyone has brain to analyze and better one who has the proofs to persuade the others of his idea ..
One nice thing about a global forum is that it gives you an outside perspective.
You are Right 🙂
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Originally posted by Alfheim
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Yeah basically.
and if you dont want to belive that islam is truth ?why bother.. 😉
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The point is that you siad that maybe I didn't enjoy Islam because maybe I was doing unislamic things. Im just telling you that was not the case.
The case that you hate islam without any persuasive reason ..
Well your average human being is not impressive. Anyway some people like to suffer.
That really doubtful ,isnt 🙂
Originally posted by AlfheimYou give Alliance and I far too little credit, if:
Looks like another person misunderstood you as well.
The only one misunderstanding things is once again you. Context and tone still not your friends I see.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Islam oppresses women as much as Christianity does in many parts of the world. However, it was Islam Extremism that I was actually referring to, that occur in places like Iraq, Iran, and the like.Fatima claims that where she lives, Men and Women are seen as equal....although she seems content in her position, and I'm glad for her, it just so happens that many women in Arab nations make no complaints what-so-ever about thier obvious oppression.
In some Arab towns, if a woman is raped, her family will disown her. On top of that, in order to regain thier "honor", someone in the family has to kill the raped woman, and erase all traces of her memory.
So basically, a woman will be blamed for something horrible that happened to her, even though it was NOT her fault, and beyond her control. On top of that, the man who kills her will be seen as a HERO, and the man who raped her will go free with only a few days in jail.
Tell me that is NOT TWISTED !
I know all of the above. Im not sure what your point is.
Originally posted by Fatima
ooooooh , your post was compeletly wrong❌ ..espeacially about killing raped women ..
Really ? Can you prove me wrong ? You probably have no idea because you have NO ACCESS to this information, considering your internet blocks all websites and sources that reveal the evil acts that spawn from Islamic Extremism.
You ARE aware of what happened on September 11th, in the United States, right? I hope so 🙂
I would love to send you websites that would show you what actually occurs, and show that I am indeed correct in my above statement. Lil
Bitchiness can vouch for me, but since i know you don't trust her statements either, I guess there is no point.
And since any website I send you will be BLOCKED, I guess you will remain in knowing ignorance on the subject. Sorry.