Top Ten Best Rappers

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Loyd Banks a (g-unit member) had some flow. Other members like mobb deep & m.o.p. (if they're still with 'em) are ill. Bad decision makers but still nice with the flow. I don't listen to g-unit at all but don't make 'em out to be shit cause they don't appeal to your audience. Their markets are targeted at people who like them. Who relate. Even if it's as simple as what they put out. They specialize and they're good at it. The proof's in the huge success they've achieved.

I feel indifferent about g-unit but as far as you thinking they suck that's your opinion but someone or a group you might think is ill may suck hard to the next man so to each his own i guess.

Citing ability to market to idiots and successfully marketing to idiots is something you shouldn't base an argument on.

Just a thought.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Citing ability to market to idiots and successfully marketing to idiots is something you shouldn't base an argument on.

Just a thought.

-AC

A question..So, to you, whomever chose or has chosen to listen to g-unit is an idiot, you're saying?

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
A question..So, to you, whomever chose or has chosen to listen to g-unit is an idiot, you're saying?

Not necessarily.

I said who they market to. You're giving them credit for making shit people can relate to, even if it's simple, which is just stupid. Because anyone can do that. They don't "specialise" in it.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Not necessarily.

I said who they market to. You're giving them credit for making shit people can relate to, even if it's simple, which is just stupid. Because anyone can do that. They don't "specialise" in it.

-AC

Not necessarily? Oh. Cause I thought it just sounded like it when you wrote: Citing "ability to market to idiots and successfully marketing to idiots" clearly referencing g-unit's ability to market to it's fan base.

Just a thought though.

And I'm not giving them credit for anything. Personally I think 50 Cent is garbage but as far as specializing, they're making music for a particular and specific group in the genre. They have their niche rap they're offering people whom gladfully accept and understand it. And I see nothing wrong with that or the people whom indulge in it, no matter how wack I think the rapper/s is/are.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Not necessarily? Oh. Cause I thought it just sounded like it when you wrote: Citing "ability to market to idiots and successfully marketing to idiots" clearly referencing g-unit's ability to market to it's fan base.

Just a thought though.

The people they market to aren't necessarily the only people who listen to them. Did you ever think of that?

The people who act like G-Unit are the best thing ever just because they say "Hey, we rhyme about this! Don't you also feel this way!", very cheaply, wouldn't rank that high on the intellectual food chain for me, no.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
And I'm not giving them credit for anything. Personally I think 50 Cent is garbage but as far as specializing, they're making music for a particular and specific group in the genre. They have their niche rap they're offering people whom gladfully accept and understand it. And I see nothing wrong with that or the people whom indulge in it, no matter how wack I think the rapper/s is/are.

Then you might as well give credit to people for being able to walk. It's almost as easy as making music that will sell, there's no special talent there, it's not an ability you work hard to acquire, so to say they specialise in doing something that easy, I find it rather odd.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The people they market to aren't necessarily the only people who listen to them. Did you ever think of that?

The people who act like G-Unit are the best thing ever just because they say "Hey, we rhyme about this! Don't you also feel this way!", very cheaply, wouldn't rank that high on the intellectual food chain for me, no.

Then you might as well give credit to people for being able to walk. It's almost as easy as making music that will sell, there's no special talent there, it's not an ability you work hard to acquire, so to say they specialise in doing something that easy, I find it rather odd.

-AC

The majority of people whom listen to g-unit are the ones that are successfully targeted, obviously. And to the other small percentage of listeners that feel indifferent just listen on for many reason like for example the curiosity factor or to blend in with that culture for it's popularity.

And with g-unit in essence saying "we rhyme about this, don't you feel this way too?", isn't that a part of what makes an artist desirable? That, as a listener, you're able to relate to what the artist/s is/are flowing or singing about? How is listening to music for that element make one unintelligent. It's only human to stick to and to be of what and whom you can relate to.

Listening to stuff like g-unit and not being into complex rap doesn't mean you're unintelligent. It means, for example, it's the type of music that's closest to what you may be going through or, again, can relate to.

And what I meant by their specializing is that they produce and focus on a certain type of rap music that targets a large crowd that's really into that type of music, they deliver it effectively, in how they market it, and they do it over again. It's the art of business and the business of art as crazy as that may sound. Some people consider rap, and music, a business as much as they do an art. And that's the way g-unit handles it. That may be too bad or too good for the fans and/or the quality of music g-unit produces but both sides seem very happy to me. But, I doubt, unintelligent.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
The majority of people whom listen to g-unit are the ones that are successfully targeted, obviously. And to the other small percentage of listeners that feel indifferent just listen on for many reason like for example the curiosity factor or to blend in with that culture for it's popularity.

And with g-unit in essence saying "we rhyme about this, don't you feel this way too?", isn't that a part of what makes an artist desirable? That, as a listener, you're able to relate to what the artist/s is/are flowing or singing about? How is listening to music for that element make one unintelligent. It's only human to stick to and to be of what and whom you can relate to.

I never buy music to listen to what some man or woman is saying, I buy it for the music. Lyrics don't matter to me, the music does. If I can relate to a song it's incidental, it's not why I buy the music.

I never said listening to music for that reason makes someone intelligent, I said that the typical G-Unit fanbase doesn't rank too high on my intelligence list.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Listening to stuff like g-unit and not being into complex rap doesn't mean you're unintelligent. It means, for example, it's the type of music that's closest to what you may be going through or, again, can relate to.

Again, I never said it does make you unintelligent, read my posts.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
And what I meant by their specializing is that they produce and focus on a certain type of rap music that targets a large crowd that's really into that type of music, they deliver it effectively, in how they market it, and they do it over again. It's the art of business and the business of art as crazy as that may sound. Some people consider rap, and music, a business as much as they do an art. And that's the way g-unit handles it. That may be too bad or too good for the fans and/or the quality of music g-unit produces but both sides seem very happy to me. But, I doubt, unintelligent.

G-Unit themselves aren't the smartest knives in the drawer, they aren't lyrical prophets and they aren't exactly Bill Gates. It isn't intelligent music they make, lyrics they write, or business moves they use.

They just know they have fans stupid enough to buy shoes if they say so.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I never buy music to listen to what some man or woman is saying, I buy it for the music. Lyrics don't matter to me, the music does. If I can relate to a song it's incidental, it's not why I buy the music.

I never said listening to music for that reason makes someone intelligent, I said that the typical G-Unit fanbase doesn't rank too high on my intelligence list.

G-Unit themselves aren't the smartest knives in the drawer, they aren't lyrical prophets and they aren't exactly Bill Gates. It isn't intelligent music they make, lyrics they write, or business moves they use.

They just know they have fans stupid enough to buy shoes if they say so.

-AC

You never buy music for the lyrics? So you only buy them for the beat. Whoa. That's crazy as hell to me but to each his own. Maybe I'm wrong but I'm gonna naturally assume, and would've always assumed, that the intelligent listener of music was the one whom would absorb both the music and the lyrics of a song that had both elements in it.

And why do you think listeners of g-unit don't rank high on "your" intelligence list?

And no, g-unit aren't lyrical prophets but i would say that, business-wise, they are the Bill Gates of rap right now. So as far as the business aspect of it goes, you don't know what they're into or how busy they are or what goes into creating a successful team/album. I doubt it's an easy, unintelligent endeavor.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
You never buy music for the lyrics? So you only buy them for the beat. Whoa. That's crazy as hell to me but to each his own.

Enjoying the lyrics of a piece of music is different to buying it for the lyrics. Why would you do that?

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Enjoying the lyrics of a piece of music is different to buying it for the lyrics. Why would you do that?

Maybe it's the last drop of this 200ml bottle of Bacardi Coco i just finished that's helping in making me not understand what you just said even though it sounds logical but i'm gonna ask what maybe a dumb question: What's the difference in-between the 2?

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
You never buy music for the lyrics? So you only buy them for the beat. Whoa. That's crazy as hell to me but to each his own. Maybe I'm wrong but I'm gonna naturally assume, and would've always assumed, that the intelligent listener of music was the one whom would absorb both the music and the lyrics of a song that had both elements in it.

The intelligent listener recognises that a whole, overall SONG is composed of music and lyrics often. They are still two separate pieces.

I listen to music...wait for it...wait...for music. Not for a "beat" or words. Music. That sound thing, you know, what it's called.

If lyrics are good, cool. I don't care.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
And why do you think listeners of g-unit don't rank high on "your" intelligence list?

A) It's their core fanbase, not all listeners.

B) I don't think they don't rank high on my intelligence list, I know they don't.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
And no, g-unit aren't lyrical prophets but i would say that, business-wise, they are the Bill Gates of rap right now.

Well, you're wrong.

Bill Gates has to market his product to almost every kind of person on this planet, and has actually had it accepted more or less.

G-Unit don't do anything of the sort.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
So as far as the business aspect of it goes, you don't know what they're into or how busy they are or what goes into creating a successful team/album. I doubt it's an easy, unintelligent endeavor.

I do actually know what goes into making an album and what it takes to create a successful "team".

That is irrelevant, however, their die-hard fans are the kind of fans who will run out and buy anything they say, it's not hard to mesmerise simple minded people.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Maybe it's the last drop of this 200ml bottle of Bacardi Coco i just finished that's helping in making me not understand what you just said even though it sounds logical but i'm gonna ask what maybe a dumb question: What's the difference in-between the 2?

If you don't understand, say so, don't blame the drink. You're coherant enough to lecture me on the ins and outs of business, but somehow just became drunk when he asked a question.

The difference is, one instance is someone coincidentally enjoying the lyrics on a CD they bought for the music. The other is someone buying a CD for lyrics.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The intelligent listener recognises that a SONG is composed of music and lyrics often. They are still two separate pieces.

I listen to music...wait for it...wait...for music. Not for a "beat" or words. Music. That sound thing, you know, what it's called.

If lyrics are good, cool. I don't care.

A) It's their core fanbase, not all listeners.

B) I don't think they don't rank high on my intelligence list, I know they don't.

Well, you're wrong.

Bill Gates has to market his product to almost every kind of person on this planet, and has actually had it accepted more or less.

G-Unit don't do anything of the sort.

I do actually know what goes into making an album and what it takes to create a successful "team".

That is irrelevant, however, their die-hard fans are the kind of fans who will run out and buy anything they say, it's not hard to mesmerise simple minded people.

If you don't understand, say so, don't blame the drink. You're coherant enough to lecture me on the ins and outs of business, but somehow just became drunk when he asked a question.

The difference is, one instance is someone coincidentally enjoying the lyrics on a CD they bought for the music. The other is someone buying a CD for lyrics.

-AC

Oh i'm not drunk. Just emphasising the misunderstanding of the question whilst not knowing if i didn't get it because i threw back a bottle. I think the Chinese food my girl ordered earlier for us earlier absorbed it good. And i had a second plate afterwards anyway. I'm in her house now and she said the same thing and i had to prove to her ass that i wasn't drunk by walking in a str8 line then getting back online. She just accused me of being bipolar and not handling my drink when I'm fine. She just gnihctiB cause i've been on her P.C. a while instead of minding her. I mean even you said i'm sound coherent enough to go on in here with you. I'm digressing, ain't i but, define music.. Meaning, what is music...? Cause I always thought music was a sound of many composed elements that consisted of things like the types of instruments a typical band plays and how they play it with a hybrid of what they said and how they said it. Is music the actually combination of the 2 in action, is what your saying?

And ok, why do you know that g-unit's core listeners don't rank high on your intelligence list?

And i think g-unit does the very thing you explained Bill Gates does with his consumers.

Do you know what goes into making a successful rap album? It's not the same thing as what it takes to make a successful, say, rock album or an international album.

Ok, if you say their core listener are simple minded then that is what you think and that's fine. I disagree but do opinions vary.

Edit:

My fault. I meant to say "I disagree but opinions do vary" on that last line.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Cause I always thought music was a sound of many composed elements that consisted of things like the types of instruments a typical band plays and how they play it with a hybrid of what they said and how they said it. Is music the actually combination of the 2 in action, is what your saying?

No, I'm saying music is one of those things. Songs can exist without lyrics, but they often include them.

My point is, I buy music for music, not lyrics or to relate.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
And ok, why do you know that g-unit's core listeners don't rank high on your intelligence list?

Because it's my list? That's how I know they don't rank high on my list.

Do you mean, why do I believe they aren't that intelligent?

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
And i think g-unit does the very thing you explained Bill Gates does with his consumers.

They don't, though. There's no "I think".

There isn't a G-Unit album in almost every single house on Earth. There's something Bill Gates made on almost every computer on the planet, covering almost every kind of human.

Stupid comparison.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Do you know what goes into making a successful rap album? It's not the same thing as what it takes to make a successful, say, rock album or an international album.

In some cases it can be, if success is what's being driven for. The recipe for success, INTENDED success, can be the same across the board.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Ok, if you say their core listener are simple minded then that is what you think and that's fine. I disagree but do opinions vary.

Fair enough.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Because it's my list? That's how I know they don't rank high on my list.

There isn't a G-Unit album in almost every single house on Earth. There's something Bill Gates made on almost every computer on the planet, covering almost every kind of human.

Stupid comparison.

-AC

I (slightly) wonder what qualifies one as an unintelligent listener on this list of yours. But whatever, you don't have to tell me as it is your biz.

And I wasn't comparing the two, prodigy. Bill Gates thinks globally or internationally, as 50 Cent and his crew clearly do, and, if anything, definitely more than any other rapper or rap group out there, is what I meant.

So proof your proof that you didn't compair is a comparison?

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
I (slightly) wonder what qualifies one as an unintelligent listener on this list of yours. But whatever, you don't have to tell me as it is your biz.

Why did you cut out the part where I asked "Are you asking why I think they're unintelligent?"?

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
And I wasn't comparing the two, prodigy. Bill Gates thinks globally or internationally, as 50 Cent and his crew clearly do, and, if anything, definitely more than any other rapper or rap group out there, is what I meant.

Yes, because 50 Cent and his buddies have bigger corporate empires than Jay-Z and P.Diddy.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why did you cut out the part where I asked "Are you asking why I think they're unintelligent?"?

Yes, because 50 Cent and his buddies have bigger corporate empires than Jay-Z and P.Diddy.

-AC

I cut it out cause i thought I've asked that question more than once while not getting a response everytime i asked and figured I'd say fcuk it. I'm not gonna push him for an answer you clearly don't wanna get into. And if i ask you about it again you were just gonna give me a run around answer. I'm good.

And i heard that 50's money is kinda seeing Puffy's money. I say 50 and or his empire isi seeing half a billion dollars. That's up there in the game. Here's an example of one of his business transaction from this year. Last year he made 33 million and that was while he was on hiatus.

Coca Cola buys 50 Cent's Vitamin water, 50 pushes album back

Coca Cola buys Glaceau -- May 2007

According to Allhiphop.com, Coca Cola has purchased Glaceau, the creator of the highly successful Vitamin Water franchise for $4.1 billion dollars. 50 Cent, who owns 10% of the business, will earn over $400 million dollars from the transaction.

According to Fobes.com puffy made 28 million last year while 50 made 33 last year. And that "In 2007, 50 Cent was recognized for his wealth by Forbes, placing him second behind Jay-Z in the rap industry" So yea. he's pretty up around there with puffy and jay z

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
I cut it out cause i thought I've asked that question more than once while not getting a response everytime i asked and figured I'd say fcuk it. I'm not gonna push him for an answer you clearly don't wanna get into. And if i ask you about it again you were just gonna give me a run around answer. I'm good.

You have never asked "What makes them unintelligent to you?", you have asked what makes ME think I think they are, which is irrelevant and faulty wording. Ask the correct question and I'll give you an answer, and I have done.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
And i heard that 50's money is kinda seeing Puffy's money. I say 50 and or his empire isi seeing half a billion dollars. That's up there in the game. Here's an example of one of his business transaction from this year. Last year he made 33 million and that was while he was on hiatus.

Coca Cola buys 50 Cent's Vitamin water, 50 pushes album back

Coca Cola buys Glaceau -- May 2007

According to Allhiphop.com, Coca Cola has purchased Glaceau, the creator of the highly successful Vitamin Water franchise for $4.1 billion dollars. 50 Cent, who owns 10% of the business, will earn over $400 million dollars from the transaction.

According to Fobes.com puffy made 28 million last year while 50 made 33 last year. And that "In 2007, 50 Cent was recognized for his wealth by Forbes, placing him second behind Jay-Z in the rap industry" So yea. he's pretty up around there with puffy and jay z

Yes, he's rich, my point is you were silly to call him the Bill Hicks of hip hop and then say "I'm not comparing them.". You were silly to say "Definitely more than anyone in the game.", because he isn't making more than anybody in hip hop.

He may have had a better year so far, but he isn't richer or more successful as a businessman than Puffy or Jay-Z.

Furthermore, this means nothing really. My point is, when you're marketing to idiots who will go out and pay more for a shoe that simply says "G-Unit.", it isn't as hard to make money as if you were marketing to a broad fanbase.

-AC