Hulk(Full Rage) runs the gauntlet

Started by King_Mungi6 pages
Originally posted by Dinalfos
Yeah, but Sasquatch admitted that he lost that fight and that he was nearly killed. Going into Tanaraq isn't going to be an easy win either. They probably stalemate.

We clearly saw he didn't easily lose and he didn;t nearly die that was never even said.

Actually it would be, he is the personification of death on Earth when it was first coming to life. Unless you believe Hulk can take an Elder God, that beings Dr.Strange was unsure he could beat was terrified of (Great Beasts). All Tanaraq even has to do it look at Hulk as he did on Talisman (Dr.Strange's equal) attacking his hidden fires.

No matter how pissed off you make the Hulk, he still gets owned by Superman. 🙂

Hulk wouldn't be even able to touch Superman

Originally posted by King_Mungi
We clearly saw he didn't easily lose and he didn;t nearly die that was never even said.

Actually it would be, he is the personification of death on Earth when it was first coming to life. Unless you believe Hulk can take an Elder God, that beings Dr.Strange was unsure he could beat was terrified of (Great Beasts). All Tanaraq even has to do it look at Hulk as he did on Talisman attacking his hidden fires.

Sasquatch admitted it twice, in the issue where he met with the Banner-Hulk.

This isn't your average Hulk. Or even a fiercely enraged one. This one is operating at 'maximum' (whatever the hell that means) capacity. There's really no telling how this would go down. Btw, what do you mean by hidden fires?

Hulk stops at 9. If he's at his 'angriest ever,' then anyone without super speed or some heavy matter manipulation is going to be hard pressed to take him down. If it's his 'angriest ever,' then every punch is going to be onslaught level, every thunderclap is going to be at near nuclear level, and every groundstomp is going to crush city blocks.

Even with all of that though, it takes a few seconds for him to get a thunderclap moving, and a couple of seconds is time for an assload of punches from Superman. IMO, he can take Supes hardest hits, he can take his heat vision, but he can't take all of them coming within a few seconds a few hundred times.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Sasquatch admitted it twice, in the issue where he met with the Banner-Hulk.

This isn't your average Hulk. Or even a fiercely enraged one. This one is operating at 'maximum' (whatever the hell that means) capacity. There's really no telling how this would go down. Btw, what do you mean by hidden fires?

No he didn't, I have both issues. He said he easily got beat when the duo were about to fight Wendigo, nothing about nearly dying. However, we saw he didn't actually get easily beat though and Sasquatch felt guilty for the fight so by feeling guilty he didn't increase his strength via rage just like the Hulk. Hell even enraged Sasquatch not Tanaraq punched a hole in reality, pissed off Sasquatch is no joke, but is forced to hold back most of the time as noted by him due to fear losing control to Tanaraq

Since the Great Beasts were the embodiments of death on Earth, it's stated: "the Great Beasts rule over death and decay, and can implore death and decay as a weapon against mankind". Basically your soul, what keeps you alive. That's just what Talisman, the Gods of the Artic and Great Beasts call it. Native-american jazz I assume.

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Originally posted by King_Mungi
No he didn't, I have both issues. He said he easily got beat when the duo were about to fight Wendigo, nothing about nearly dying. However, we saw he didn't actually get easily beat though and Sasquatch felt guilty for the fight so by feeling guilty he didn't increase his strength via rage just like the Hulk. Hell even enraged Sasquatch not Tanaraq punched a hole in reality, pissed off Sasquatch is no joke, but is forced to hold back most of the time as noted by him due to fear losing control to Tanaraq

Actually, we did see that. Just because it took a long time, doesn't mean it was a good showing for Sasquatch. Hulk was never in any danger during the fight. The same cannot be said for Sasquatch. An enraged Sasquatch would indeed be more of a match, but it would take Tanaraq to actually be able to stand up to him. Besides, was Tanaraq even present in the day? And yes, I'm pretty sure that Sasquatch said something about nearly dying or getting killed. Or at least something similar. I'll check it out monday, when I'm back at home. Or would you be so kind? 😉

Since the Great Beasts were the embodiments of death on Earth, it's stated: "the Great Beasts rule over death and decay, and can implore death and decay as a weapon against mankind". Basically your soul, what keeps you alive. That's just what Talisman, the Gods of the Artic and Great Beasts call it. Native-american jazz I assume.

Was anything like that actually shown on panel? Because it sounds like a figure of speech.

Edit: thanks for the scans. It looks like something physical to me. Or just your average mumbo jumbo.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Actually, we did see that. Just because it took a long time, doesn't mean it was a good showing for Sasquatch. Hulk was never in any danger during the fight. The same cannot be said for Sasquatch. An enraged Sasquatch would indeed be more of a match, but it would take Tanaraq to actually be able to stand up to him. Besides, was Tanaraq even present in the day? And yes, I'm pretty sure that Sasquatch said something about nearly dying or getting killed. Or at least something similar. I'll check it out monday, when I'm back at home. Or would you be so kind? 😉

Was anything like that actually shown on panel? Because it sounds like a figure of speech.

Edit: thanks for the scans. It looks like something physical to me. Or just your average mumbo jumbo.

Not really, basically they were trading blows and Sasquatch looked none the worse for wear in the end. Not really as I mentioned he even made several comments that he felt guilty for this fight and felt he was the true monster. We never saw Walter enraged and thus increasing his strength. Nope, I have both issues and never did. Just made comment about getting easily beat. There was a blow Hulk delvered that could have killed Sasquatch, (caption said) but he dodged it and the fight continued. The "killing blow" destroyed the mountain as it collasped on the duo and right afterwards the fight ended. However, Walter never made the comment about nearly dying against Hulk. Once again an enraged Sasquatch punched a hole in reality don't underestimate him.

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Alpha Flight #5 (Vol.3): Sasquatch I
Pissed off Sasquatch brings down the house....literally. Sasquatch lets out a blow in the Plodex ship that brings all the realities together. Some members came from the arctic, some Montreal, etc. He punched a hole in the trans-displacement dimension to bring them all together

1. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c133/A_Flight3/AlphaFlight0423.jpg
2. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c133/A_Flight3/AF5_03.jpg
3. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c133/A_Flight3/AF5_04.jpg
4. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c133/A_Flight3/AF5_0405.jpg

Nope, even Exiles Tanaraq easily manhandled Zarathos, Exiles and Kulan Gath like they were mere toys. As stated, the Great Beasts are older than the Earth and "you (Ranaq) can do anything you please to".

Here's Tanaraq attacking Talisman hidden fires, never fully explained:
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight23-16.jpg

LOL no way he can clear it, thats fanboy stuff

Makes it to either 9 or 10.

We've never really seen a "full-rage" Hulk. I say he stops at 9.

Maybe 8, certainly 9.

Originally posted by batdude123
No matter how pissed off you make the Hulk, he still gets owned by Superman. 🙂

Re: Hulk(Full Rage) runs the gauntlet

Originally posted by golem370
He stays enraged during all of the battles. Let me say this again he at his angriest he has ever been

1.Captain America,Red Guardian & Hawkeye
2.Wolverine.Sabretooth & Black Panther
3.Spider-Man & Deathstroke
4.Deadpool,Elektra & Rhino
5.Gray Hulk & Thing
6.Namor the Sub-Mariner & Classic Wonder Man
7.Sasquatch & Atlas
8.Immortal Hercules & Thor/no Hammer
9.Superman
10.Doomsday/One Death
11.Drax with power gem
12.Thanos/no projection powers,Matter Manipulation or energy manipulation

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If he is really enraged - then he could indeed make it up to the Man of Steel(Superman), however, he would loose to him after a long drawn-out battle, which would be very reminiscent of the Superman vs Doomsday one.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Not really, basically they were trading blows and Sasquatch looked none the worse for wear in the end. Not really as I mentioned he even made several comments that he felt guilty for this fight and felt he was the true monster. We never saw Walter enraged and thus increasing his strength. Nope, I have both issues and never did. Just made comment about getting easily beat. There was a blow Hulk delvered that could have killed Sasquatch, (caption said) but he dodged it and the fight continued. The "killing blow" destroyed the mountain as it collasped on the duo and right afterwards the fight ended. However, Walter never made the comment about nearly dying against Hulk. Once again an enraged Sasquatch punched a hole in reality don't underestimate him.

I'm not underestimating Sasquatch. But he managed to survive only because of his fighting skills and Hulk's clouding intellect. That works against regular Savage Hulk (although Sas lasted longer than he really should have, since he didn't get angry), but certainly not against the Hulk in THIS fight. All fighting experience and skills are pretty much nulled against something like that, so he's gonna need Tanaraq. Anyway, Sas may not have been angry, but he certainly WAS trying to k.o Hulk. He was rather surprised to find that he couldn't.

One thing that bothers me about this fight though, is that Hulk was actually trying to finish him off. He may have been angry, but he wasn't totally raving at that point anymore. Usually, barring some exceptions, he just leaves when he knows that an enemy/opponent is defeated. Quite disheartening.


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Alpha Flight #5 (Vol.3): Sasquatch I
Pissed off Sasquatch brings down the house....literally. Sasquatch lets out a blow in the Plodex ship that brings all the realities together. Some members came from the arctic, some Montreal, etc. He punched a hole in the trans-displacement dimension to bring them all together

1. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c133/A_Flight3/AlphaFlight0423.jpg
2. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c133/A_Flight3/AF5_03.jpg
3. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c133/A_Flight3/AF5_04.jpg
4. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c133/A_Flight3/AF5_0405.jpg

Nope, even Exiles Tanaraq easily manhandled Zarathos, Exiles and Kulan Gath like they were mere toys. As stated, the Great Beasts are older than the Earth and "you (Ranaq) can do anything you please to".

Here's Tanaraq attacking Talisman hidden fires, never fully explained:
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight23-16.jpg [/B]

No offense, but didn't he basically just smash a machine that collected those realities? He didn't seem to literally "punch a hole in reality". Maybe I'm missing the context here.

As for the hidden fire, we have no idea what that would do to an uber-Hulk. Or even a non-uber-Hulk. It may not even work at all, since the scan basically says she lacks the training and skill and that her "human nature" may or may not prove to be a problem. I think you can agree that Hulk isn't exactly a normal human, neither in mind nor power. I don't think there's anything constructive that can be said about this, for now.

Hulk at full rage would imo who slaughter Superman

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t354306.html

Hulk at "full rage" would indeed be devastating. Have we ever even seen him at that level? With Onslaught it might have been close. He still gets owned by any speedster, almost.

9. is certainly as far as he can possibly get if Superman uses his HUGE speed advantage. Sure, if they just slugged it out without superspeed Hulk could take it. Otherwise he gets owned BAD.

Originally posted by golem370
Hulk at full rage would imo who slaughter Superman

Top level versatility > top level strength.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
I'm not underestimating Sasquatch. But he managed to survive only because of his fighting skills and Hulk's clouding intellect. That works against regular Savage Hulk (although Sas lasted longer than he really should have, since he didn't get angry), but certainly not against the Hulk in THIS fight. All fighting experience and skills are pretty much nulled against something like that, so he's gonna need Tanaraq. Anyway, Sas may not have been angry, but he certainly WAS trying to k.o Hulk. He was rather surprised to find that he couldn't.

One thing that bothers me about this fight though, is that Hulk was actually trying to finish him off. He may have been angry, but he wasn't totally raving at that point anymore. Usually, barring some exceptions, he just leaves when he knows that an enemy/opponent is defeated. Quite disheartening.

No offense, but didn't he basically just smash a machine that collected those realities? He didn't seem to literally "punch a hole in reality". Maybe I'm missing the context here.

As for the hidden fire, we have no idea what that would do to an uber-Hulk. Or even a non-uber-Hulk. It may not even work at all, since the scan basically says she lacks the training and skill and that her "human nature" may or may not prove to be a problem. I think you can agree that Hulk isn't exactly a normal human, neither in mind nor power. I don't think there's anything constructive that can be said about this, for now.

Not really as I mentioned Sasquatch can increase his strength as well to elder god level before Tanaraq takes control. Base Sasquatch without getting angry lifted up a battlecruiser and tossed a 250 ton DC-10 1000 feet while the engines were on...all with ease. He's no push over even in his base form. This was even a rookie Sasquatch battling Hulk, he was still new to the game and didn't know fully about his powers. Yeah he was trying, but he didn't use his other abilities to increase his strength, near the end he just felt so quilty and felt he was athe true monster. For all Sasquatch's feats handbook still list him at class 70...oh lordy.

Indeed, even one panel had Hulk turn completly red from pure rage. He was out for blood, serious blood.

Nope, he wasn't anywhere near the source of the machine. None of them were in the same area, even stated that.

It's his soul, since they can control death and decay...yeah not looking good for Hulk. That's Talisman, she can control skyfather beings, shes super uber and as said she has "godhood" powers. Hell another feat of hers is she teleported an entire city with hundreds of thousands of people into an alternate dimension. Anything can die, which the Great Beasts have complete control over since their the embodiments of death. I don't see Hulk taking out an Elder God even older than the Earth. Somon with his psychic death killed people who wern't exactally humans himself.
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Tanaraq quotes:
"clearly you know nothing of the Great Beasts, else you would realize the folly of testing a god."

"Let's not waste time like this, Namora. Powerful you may be, but my strength is born of sorcery ancient as winter and black as night"

“I'm deathless as a fable. I'm mythology incarnate! How can you kill that which made the first men fear the darkness and the cold?"