Hulk(Full Rage) runs the gauntlet

Originally posted by King_Mungi
In comics apparently it does, Wild Child, Sabertooth, Wolverine, Feral, etc. etc. Yes it was his increasing influence, but he still was far away from being Tanaraq himself. Eh? that's what I was saying, the more rage or pain he feels the more he loses control.

Yes, that's why you could say that it was Tanaraq becoming dominant, despite the fact that Sas/Walter wasn't consumed entirely just yet. So you could say that it was Tanaraq, because I sure as hell didn't see any Sas left in that roaring orange furball.

Hulk was out for blood, how often do you see that? not to often. He was down right pissed. Why do you say PIS when it looks badly for your character? Sasquatch is no joke look at his track record. Llan as stated created the altnerate reality characters even in some cases stronger than their 616 counterparts.

Which is why an non-angry Sas should've fallen almost immediately. If you think he shouldn't have, then why accept the PIS of Hulk's defeat in Exiles? I mean, Sas kicked him through a window and he didn't get up. Seriously, wtf?! That fight (and many others not involving Hulk) is enough reason for me to not accept Exiles or stand alone non-canon stuff as valid proof. The writing is even lazier and more inconsiderate than a lot canon stuff. And we all know what that means.

Mostly I don't, but however, the writer in an interview stated it to be a exact reflection of when Kulan Gath went wild in 616. Even Exiles Sasquatch has very similar comparisons to 616. Through battling with Talisman to a stand still and a foe Dr.Strange was unsure he could beat was terrifed of the Great Beasts. The Gods of the Artic who created the Wendigo and manhandled Mauvais are the Great Beasts equal.

Many writers have said that. I'm not buying it. it's already hard enough to extrapolate the truth from in continuity stories.

immune to Elder gods manipulation? unlikely. Talisman is on a higher plane than Hulk yet she was even killed by Somon (breifly) and Tanaraq's attacks worked on her. There is nothing to indicate a person who is said to have "godhood" powers and his attacked worked on them would not on Hulk. Hulk lives and isn't immortal so thus he can die why wouldn't it work? Well considering he made Talisman magic blow up in her face yeah, even Ranaq was warping reality and Kolomaq (living embodiment of winter) castied forth a blizzard that equaled a million winters. We have yet to see the Great Beasts unleashed, but what we have seen is impressive

Talisman is a magician, but that doesn't say ANYTHING about her resistance or resilience in relation to some attack patterns. Some of the most powerful creatures outthere are susceptible to telepathy. Just BECAUSE someone is powerful in some fields, it doesn't mean he can take whatever is coming at him. You see, Hulk does not have magic, so it can't blow up in his face. That's the downside of being a magician. Tanaraq apparently controls death and decay, so what? Even if it did work, who's to say that Hulk's will power and natural resistance can't reduce and even null the effect? Especially at THIS particular level. We've seen him do similar stuff in the past. And to tell you the truth, I'm not really convinced of Tanaraq's powers, so far.

Originally posted by golem370
Yeah right sure like he did Doomsday sure. Hulk shattered a asteroid 2 times the size of Earth with one shot and I doubt even then he was very pissed. Let say that Superman is flying at Hulk at 1,000 miles per hour and let say that Hulks jumps at Superman at 500 miles per hour and they both land incaluclable strength punches what would happen?

Doomsdfay has something Hulk does not .

SUPERSPEED

Doomsday is equal to Superman in speed which is why a speedblitz wont work on Doomsday.

Hulk is not nearly as fast as Doomsday.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Yes, that's why you could say that it was Tanaraq becoming dominant, despite the fact that Sas/Walter wasn't consumed entirely just yet. So you could say that it was Tanaraq, because I sure as hell didn't see any Sas left in that roaring orange furball.

No, because Sasquatch has rountinely been in the exact same siatuation such as making the waterfall, battling exo-suit Thing, Collector, Wrecking Crew...etc. and he still has a form of control. It's far from being Tanaraq. Stated fact in Alpha Flight

Originally posted by Dinalfos

Which is why an non-angry Sas should've fallen almost immediately. If you think he shouldn't have, then why accept the PIS of Hulk's defeat in Exiles? I mean, Sas kicked him through a window and he didn't get up. Seriously, wtf?! That fight (and many others not involving Hulk) is enough reason for me to not accept Exiles or stand alone non-canon stuff as valid proof. The writing is even lazier and more inconsiderate than a lot canon stuff. And we all know what that means.

No a non-angry Sasquatch base form had no limit to his strength we had no idea what he was capable of. Such as tossing a 250 ton DC-10 1000 feet in reverse, crashing into a building even while the engines were still. The engines were stated to produce 150,000 pounds of thrust and Sasquatch caught the plane in mid-air. In Exiles? Sasquatch never beat the Hulk in Exiles. What are you talking about?

Originally posted by Dinalfos

Many writers have said that. I'm not buying it. it's already hard enough to extrapolate the truth from in continuity stories.

Up to you, but it's a stated fact.

Originally posted by Dinalfos

Talisman is a magician, but that doesn't say ANYTHING about her resistance or resilience in relation to some attack patterns. Some of the most powerful creatures outthere are susceptible to telepathy. Just BECAUSE someone is powerful in some fields, it doesn't mean he can take whatever is coming at him. You see, Hulk does not have magic, so it can't blow up in his face. That's the downside of being a magician. Tanaraq apparently controls death and decay, so what? Even if it did work, who's to say that Hulk's will power and natural resistance can't reduce and even null the effect? Especially at THIS particular level. We've seen him do similar stuff in the past. And to tell you the truth, I'm not really convinced of Tanaraq's powers, so far.

Actually it does, as once again "godhood". Talisman has telepathy, etc. etc. Hulk has NO immunity to magic, so don't pull that card. Wow now your overestimating Hulk, he's going to stop an Elder God who controls death and deacy from killing him? Come on man. You would be wrong, Tanaraq even without showing his full power dominated anyone who he came across.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
No, because Sasquatch has rountinely been in the exact same siatuation such as making the waterfall, battling exo-suit Thing, Collector, Wrecking Crew...etc. and he still has a form of control. It's far from being Tanaraq. Stated fact in Alpha Flight

A form of control does not mean Tanaraq can't be dominant sometimes. It's just that dominance doesn't automatically mean full control. There are varying degrees, obviously. The fight with Skrull was a moment where Tanaraq took over, just not to an extent that could consume Walter entirely. It wasn't too late.

No a non-angry Sasquatch base form had no limit to his strength we had no idea what he was capable of. Such as tossing a 250 ton DC-10 1000 feet in reverse, crashing into a building even while the engines were still. The engines were stated to produce 150,000 pounds of thrust and Sasquatch caught the plane in mid-air. In Exiles? Sasquatch never beat the Hulk in Exiles. What are you talking about?

That goes for Hulk as well. But you're missing the point. If Sas could defeat Hulk by kicking him through a window, then Sas should've been knocked out by an enraged Hulk's punch.

Btw, a non-angry Sas does have a limit to his strength. Hell, it's not even incalculable, just unknown. Like Hulk.

Up to you, but it's a stated fact.

Oh, I'm sure it is.

Actually it does, as once again "godhood". Talisman has telepathy, etc. etc. Hulk has NO immunity to magic, so don't pull that card. Wow now your overestimating Hulk, he's going to stop an Elder God who controls death and deacy from killing him? Come on man. You would be wrong, Tanaraq even without showing his full power dominated anyone who he came across.

Godhood in and of itself means nothing. In the Marvel world, "godhood" does not imply some sort of set power level. There are powerful gods and not so powerful gods. And no, I'm not overestimating Hulk. How the hell am I? This is, again, a maxed out Hulk. He's not going to be stopped without significant magical tampering. You know, blinking him out of existence or banishing him to another dimension and stuff like that. You seem to be under the impression that we're dealing with regular Savage Hulk. If that were the case, you'd have a point here. But for now, too many ifs and buts.

Btw, I didn't say Hulk was immune to magic.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
A form of control does not mean Tanaraq can't be dominant sometimes. It's just that dominance doesn't automatically mean full control. There are varying degrees, obviously. The fight with Skrull was a moment where Tanaraq took over, just not to an extent that could consume Walter entirely. It wasn't too late.

It's a stated fact, all those times were not Tanaraq in the dominant personality. Actually no, they even said it in the next few issues, Walter from a distance had some form of control but he was still sliping. That wasn't Tanaraq, just angry Walter.

Originally posted by Dinalfos

That goes for Hulk as well. But you're missing the point. If Sas could defeat Hulk by kicking him through a window, then Sas should've been knocked out by an enraged Hulk's punch.

Btw, a non-angry Sas does have a limit to his strength. Hell, it's not even incalculable, just unknown. Like Hulk.

He didn't beat him by kicking him through a window, so no I don't see your point

I meant we never knew what his limits were, I never said non-angry was incalucable just high so it's not PIS/CIS that he could hold his own with the Hulk as long as he did. As stated he was created to be Hulk's equal, the Canadian Hulk as John Bryne put it.

Originally posted by Dinalfos

Godhood in and of itself means nothing. In the Marvel world, "godhood" does not imply some sort of set power level. There are powerful gods and not so powerful gods. And no, I'm not overestimating Hulk. How the hell am I? This is, again, a maxed out Hulk. He's not going to be stopped without significant magical tampering. You know, blinking him out of existence or banishing him to another dimension and stuff like that. You seem to be under the impression that we're dealing with regular Savage Hulk. If that were the case, you'd have a point here. But for now, too many ifs and buts.

Btw, I didn't say Hulk was immune to magic.

Talisman can control skyfather beings merely because they are from the spirit world. She beat Llan a being who nearly easily killed Dr.Strange...twice. Your saying an elder god can't beat Hulk who just has limitless strength? Magic works on everything, he has no defence against that. So when other people who are even magical beings tried and failed against Tanaraq, why would a brute with strength not work? No I know who we are talking about, but Tanaraq is an Elder God, the embodiment of death on Earth. I don't see how you can compare the two.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
It's a stated fact, all those times were not Tanaraq in the dominant personality. Actually no, they even said it in the next few issues, Walter from a distance had some form of control but he was still sliping. That wasn't Tanaraq, just angry Walter.

When Walter is slipping into savagery, I wouldn't see him as the dominant one. Like I said, dominance has degrees to it. But let's not go into semantics.

He didn't beat him by kicking him through a window, so no I don't see your point

I meant we never knew what his limits were, I never said non-angry was incalucable just high so it's not PIS/CIS that he could hold his own with the Hulk as long as he did. As stated he was created to be Hulk's equal, the Canadian Hulk as John Bryne put it.

Wait, so what fight are you referring to? I remember him getting kicked or leg pressed through a window and not getting up again.

So by your logic a perfectly calm Hulk can hold his own against a fiercely enraged Sasquatch?

Talisman can control skyfather beings merely because they are from the spirit world. She beat Llan a being who nearly easily killed Dr.Strange...twice. Your saying an elder god can't beat Hulk who just has limitless strength? Magic works on everything, he has no defence against that. So when other people who are even magical beings tried and failed against Tanaraq, why would a brute with strength not work? No I know who we are talking about, but Tanaraq is an Elder God, the embodiment of death on Earth. I don't see how you can compare the two.

I'm not saying anything with certainty. I'm saying "Elder God" in and of itself doesn't mean much. For example, A god who has purely physical strength to put out, is not guaranteed to win anything. I'm not saying Tanaraq is purely physical, because I don't think he is. But still, Tanaraq is an elder god in control of an earthly being. As far as I know, his most significant abilities are strength, speed, endurance, reflexes, senses, and durability. Has he ever shown to live up to his title of "ruler of death and decay" in literal way? Or is it just like a boxer nicknamed King Of The Ring?

Originally posted by Dinalfos
When Walter is slipping into savagery, I wouldn't see him as the dominant one. Like I said, dominance has degrees to it. But let's not go into semantics.

Just saying that was far from Tanaraq

Originally posted by Dinalfos

Wait, so what fight are you referring to? I remember him getting kicked or leg pressed through a window and not getting up again.

So by your logic a perfectly calm Hulk can hold his own against a fiercely enraged Sasquatch?

One in AF #77, and no they tackled each other in a building and eventually Sasquatch emerged out.

For a period..yes. As we saw with the Sasquatch vs. Hulk fight.

Originally posted by Dinalfos

I'm not saying anything with certainty. I'm saying "Elder God" in and of itself doesn't mean much. For example, A god who has purely physical strength to put out, is not guaranteed to win anything. I'm not saying Tanaraq is purely physical, because I don't think he is. But still, Tanaraq is an elder god in control of an earthly being. As far as I know, his most significant abilities are strength, speed, endurance, reflexes, senses, and durability. Has he ever shown to live up to his title of "ruler of death and decay" in literal way? Or is it just like a boxer nicknamed King Of The Ring?

Except the Great Beasts have the feats to back up their elder god claims. Different Great Beasts have different power, and he has magical powers as well as stated but we don't know the full effects as 616 Tanaraq didn't stay in our realm for long. He's not the ruler, but he commands death and decay against mankind and Hulk is one of them. Nope, multiple people have refered them as the embodiments of death and decay and rule over it in Exiles and 616.

Originally posted by King_Mungi One in AF #77, and no they tackled each other in a building and eventually Sasquatch emerged out.

For a period..yes. As we saw with the Sasquatch vs. Hulk fight.

Don't you mean #75?

I disagree. The difference in strength and durability between an enraged Sasquatch (or Hulk) and a calm Hulk (or Sasquatch) is more than significant. We're speaking thousands of tons, realistically, if not more. They both need to become stronger FAST, or they would lose within seconds against the other. That's my estimation.

Except the Great Beasts have the feats to back up their elder god claims. Different Great Beasts have different power, and he has magical powers as well as stated but we don't know the full effects as 616 Tanaraq didn't stay in our realm for long. He's not the ruler, but he commands death and decay against mankind and Hulk is one of them. Nope, multiple people have refered them as the embodiments of death and decay and rule over it in Exiles and 616.

I've heard many things like this. I'm gonna need more facts.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Don't you mean #75?

I disagree. The difference in strength and durability between an enraged Sasquatch (or Hulk) and a calm Hulk (or Sasquatch) is more than significant. We're speaking thousands of tons, realistically, if not more. They both need to become stronger FAST, or they would lose within seconds against the other. That's my estimation.

That's it, he still didn't ko him throwing him through a window.

We don't know that, it was never established what they fully could do either raged or calm. Even characters weaker than Sasquatch or Hulk have still "hung" with the two brutes even though they were significantly stronger than their opponent. Thing vs. Champion is one example, where he was outclassed yet still continued to push the fight