Hulk(Full Rage) runs the gauntlet

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Yeah, who knows. But Sasquatch was, up to that point, always a bit of a second rate Hulk, in terms of powers and abilities. Apparently, Sas didn't even know about any strength increase, because he remarked that he may have had the edge at the beginning of the fight, but was then outmatched physically. If he himself had those powers at the time, he would've said something else. Or at least that's my estimation.

Nope as I mentioned he was cool hand luke, his powers didn't start to go crazy yet. They really didn't go crazy until his battle against the Super Skrull where he just went into a mindless rage, not Tanaraq just a mindless rage. As I mentioned this was one of Sasquatch's first apperances, he thought at this time he transformed due to he mimicked the process that created the Hulk, but until later he found out he actually opened an interdimensional portal and Tanaraq made him his avatar.

Originally posted by Dinalfos

Well, you don't have to accept it if you really don't want to. But it would be kind of silly. Just look at the scan. I've seen Hulk "turn red" without him being madly enraged. And yes, the air surrounding his head is red as well. I'm sorry my friend, but it really IS a misprint.

I just checked again and there is a small area colored red under his left ear, but moot point anyways Hulk was still in a murderous fury anyways.

Originally posted by Dinalfos

Well, all I saw was Sas smashing something and then the problem was solved. I haven't read the issue, so I don't know exactly what was going on. That's why I asked for more scans.

Exiles Sasquatch from what universe?

We all of them went to different parts of Canada to try to track the Plodex ship and then suddenly all ended up in the same location, when they wern't in the trans-displacement trap and then Sasquatch broke it. If I have time I will try to get the lead up scans, but there isn't much else to add. Probally not tonight as UFC will be on...go Cote!

Earth #3470

Originally posted by Dinalfos

Huh? I though you were referring to Talisman? Tanaraq has all of Talisman's powers 😕

Above Hulk in terms of what? Physical power? That doesn't mean anything here. This Hulk has ungodly amounts of strength and corresponding durability. And it's not even an outside power up. Tanaraq, according to several sources, is only "several times stronger and more durable" than regular Sasquatch. I'm not buying that or anything, but this kind of Hulk should definitely be able to hold his own against Tanaraq.

Oh no I thought you meant Sasquatch's powers. Talisman is one of the top-tier and could control skyfathers due to them being from the spirit world. She is the gods avatars to fight all forms of evil and the binder of spirits.

Above everything, as I mentioned several times he's an elder god. Can Hulk take an elder god? Tanaraq has shown to attack your soul just by looking at you and the Great Beasts rule death and decay. Hulk has strength and durability, that's not enough to take an elder god. What sources? as his strength increase and durable was never stated how much it increased. If your talking about the alpanex entry I was the one who made that, oh hell I will go correct it now. In 616 the only thing to stop Tanaraq, was Tanaraq himself as Snowbird transformed into his form.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Nope as I mentioned he was cool hand luke, his powers didn't start to go crazy yet. They really didn't go crazy until his battle against the Super Skrull where he just went into a mindless rage, not Tanaraq just a mindless rage. As I mentioned this was one of Sasquatch's first apperances, he thought at this time he transformed due to he mimicked the process that created the Hulk, but until later he found out he actually opened an interdimensional portal and Tanaraq made him his avatar.

Cool. I saw the fight with Skrull. It's not really Sasquatch getting angry, just Tanaraq slowly taking over. So basically, it WAS Tanaraq, just not in full control.

I just checked again and there is a small area colored red under his left ear, but moot point anyways Hulk was still in a murderous fury anyways

It's surrounding his head, actually.

Yes, he was furious, but he calmed down because he saw the fear in the eyes of his friend. When he hit Sasquatch again after that, he was not as angry anymore. He even seemed to hold back a little by backhanding Sas.

We all of them went to different parts of Canada to try to track the Plodex ship and then suddenly all ended up in the same location, when they wern't in the trans-displacement trap and then Sasquatch broke it. If I have time I will try to get the lead up scans, but there isn't much else to add. Probally not tonight as UFC will be on...go Cote!

Earth #3470

Okay, cool.

I don't think you should use non-canon Tanaraq as evidence. All bets are usually off when it comes to alternate realities.

Oh no I thought you meant Sasquatch's powers. Talisman is one of the top-tier and could control skyfather due to them being from the spirit world. She is the gods avatars to fight all forms of evil.

Above everything, as I mentioned several times he's an elder god. Can Hulk take an elder god? Tanaraq has shown to attack your soul just by looking at you and they rule death and decay. Hulk has strength and durability, that's not enough to take an elder god. What sources? as his strength increase and durable was never stated how much it increased. If your talking about the alpanex entry I was the one who made that, oh hell I will go correct it now. In 616 the only thing to stop Tanaraq, was Tanaraq himself as Snowbird transformed into his form.

Pretty much all sources (including MarvelDirectory and Marvel), barring a few exceptions. I know "several" is a loose estimation, but still.

Hulk isn't going to lose just BECAUSE Tanaraq is supposed to be an elder god. You don't have to be a god to possess godlike power, nor do you have to be a non-god to have non-godlike powers. And Hulk's physical strength in this fight is theoretically "godlike". remember, godhood is often a title, not necessarily a measure. I mean, many people have tried to stare, burn, mind**** etc. him to death. They failed. I can imagine that all of Hulk's resistance to psychological and spiritual tampering is exponentially increased along with his physical abilities. I'm not saying Tanaraq can't do it, I'm saying we can't know. What we do know, however, is that Hulk is by definition on Tanaraq's physical level, if not above.

As for Snowbird stopping Tanaraq, just because the narrator says something like that, it doesn't mean he can't be stopped at all. You shouldn't take that too literally.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Cool. I saw the fight with Skrull. It's not really Sasquatch getting angry, just Tanaraq slowly taking over. So basically, it WAS Tanaraq, just not in full control.

Nope just angry, as when Tanaraq takes control he isn't a savage beast. Actually talks normal and has complete control of his emoitons and rage. As stated if Walter experiences anger or pain, he slowly takes control. When Tanaraq takes off the personality of the host completly dies unless magical interferance occurs. Walter still had control.

Originally posted by Dinalfos

It's surrounding his head, actually.

Not all of it, I just looked.

Originally posted by Dinalfos

Yes, he was furious, but he calmed down because he saw the fear in the eyes of his friend. When he hit Sasquatch again after that, he was not as angry anymore. He even seemed to hold back a little by backhanding Sas.

Well at that point the fight was over, Sasquatch didn't want to fight anymore and basically offered himself to the Hulk to what he felt would save the woman. Prior to that Hulk was bloodlusted until he saw his friend and jumped away crying.

Originally posted by Dinalfos

Okay, cool.

I don't think you should use non-canon Tanaraq as evidence. All bets are usually off when it comes to alternate realities.

Writer of the issue in an interview stated he is the exact representation of 616 Tanaraq. 616 Tanaraq soul attacked Talisman, and 616 Great Beasts are being that Mauvais fears and Dr.Strange was unsure he could beat him.

Originally posted by Dinalfos

Pretty much all sources (including MarvelDirectory and Marvel), barring a few exceptions. I know "several" is a loose estimation, but still.

Hulk isn't going to lose just BECAUSE Tanaraq is supposed to be an elder god. You don't have to be a god to possess godlike power, nor do you have to be a non-god to have non-godlike powers. And Hulk's physical strength in this fight is theoretically "godlike". remember, godhood is often a title, not necessarily a measure. I mean, many people have tried to stare, burn, mind**** etc. him to death. They failed. I can imagine that all of Hulk's resistance to psychological and spiritual tampering is exponentially increased along with his physical abilities. I'm not saying Tanaraq can't do it, I'm saying we can't know. What we do know, however, is that Hulk is by definition on Tanaraq's physical level, if not above.

As for Snowbird stopping Tanaraq, just because the narrator says something like that, it doesn't mean he can't be stopped at all. You shouldn't take that too literally.

Marveldirectory, didn't even mention anything about Tanaraq giving him strength when he takes control. Even marvel.com actually had serious errors "Since taking over Snowbird's original body, he can now achieve his Sasquatch form with relative little pain or effort. " That's wrong, he suffered no pains before that even stated he didn't need to do the mantra before his death.

Tanaraq: http://alphanex.alphaflight.net/index.php/Tanaraq
Tanaraq (Exiles): http://alphanex.alphaflight.net/index.php/Tanaraq_%28Exiles%29

Not suppose to be, he is an Elder God that's a stated fact. Except there was no established limit to Tanaraq, through his durability or strength. They mentioned it was incalcuable, but really no one has fully tested him to fully go unleashed. Tanaraq is higher tier than those who tried, and Tanaraq's abilities even proved effective against Talisman, who is insanely powerful. Plus as mentioned he controls death and decay, if he wants you dead...your dead.

He can be stopped, but by the likes of just a bruiser? unlikely. He's an elder god, who manhandled basically anyone who he comes across. He's death incarnate

Superman beats this ravaging hulk, like he has done in writer driven crossovers, not that fan voted crap, stops at 7 for sure, maybe even before!

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
If he is really enraged - then he could indeed make it up to the Man of Steel(Superman), however, he would loose to him after a long drawn-out battle, which would be very reminiscent of the Superman vs Doomsday one.

Originally posted by golem370
There are pictures of him hitting Quicksilver and other land speedsters. and I also seen pics of him leaping and passing a Jet. Hulk would break Supes jaw the Neck and then his Back. Doomsday would get owned to quit drinking that haterade

Normal Hulk gets stopped at 9

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Nope just angry, as when Tanaraq takes control he isn't a savage beast. Actually talks normal and has complete control of his emoitons and rage. As stated if Walter experiences anger or pain, he slowly takes control. When Tanaraq takes off the personality of the host completly dies unless magical interferance occurs. Walter still had control.

He was acting like a wild beast. That's not really Sasquatch himself. My guess is that Tanaraq continuously grows and grows, but that he can be oppressed to a certain extent. This is what's being suggested in various bios. So no, he's not taking over completely, but if Sas stops resisting on a subconscious level, he will.

Not all of it, I just looked.

Well, obviously not all of it. But enough to tell that it was a misprint.

Well at that point the fight was over, Sasquatch didn't want to fight anymore and basically offered himself to the Hulk to what he felt would save the woman. Prior to that Hulk was bloodlusted until he saw his friend and jumped away crying.

Yes, he basically gave up. But still, without going into a raging frenzy, Sasquatch should've been taken out. That, or Hulk wasn't that angry.

Writer of the issue in an interview stated he is the exact representation of 616 Tanaraq. 616 Tanaraq soul attacked Talisman, and 616 Great Beasts are being that Mauvais fears and Dr.Strange was unsure he could beat him.

That's besides the point. Exact representation or not, these characters are often used differently in relation to other characters. Many of them get killed or otherwise defeated, regardless of whether it makes sense or not. Even if that's not the case here, there's simply no telling if the writers took unnecessary liberties, as they're often not the same as the mainstream continuity ones. It's a principal, imo.

Marveldirectory, didn't even mention anything about Tanaraq giving him strength when he takes control. Even marvel.com actually had serious errors "Since taking over Snowbird's original body, he can now achieve his Sasquatch form with relative little pain or effort. " That's wrong, he suffered no pains before that even stated he didn't need to do the mantra before his death.

Tanaraq: http://alphanex.alphaflight.net/index.php/Tanaraq
Tanaraq (Exiles): http://alphanex.alphaflight.net/index.php/Tanaraq_%28Exiles%29

Not suppose to be, he is an Elder God that's a stated fact. Except there was no established limit to Tanaraq, through his durability or strength. They mentioned it was incalcuable, but really no one has fully tested him to fully go unleashed. Tanaraq is higher tier than those who tried, and Tanaraq's abilities even proved effective against Talisman, who is insanely powerful. Plus as mentioned he controls death and decay, if he wants you dead...your dead.

He can be stopped, but by the likes of just a bruiser? unlikely. He's an elder god, who manhandled basically anyone who he comes across. He's death incarnate

Yeah, but Marvel.com is the official web site, so I guess that must mean SOMETHING. And Alphanex is Free Content, so it can be edited by the fans.

Considering her powers, Talisman seemed to be jobbing a little. But if all Tanaraq had to do was attacking her "hidden fires", there's no guarantee that it would work on a maxed out Hulk. And controlling death and decay, what does that even mean? It could work only if it's magical/ mystical in output, and even then it's more than iffy. So, yeah, I still say they stalemate. That is, f Tanaraq comes out before it's too late. Sas starts at a major disadvantage.

Originally posted by Innerhype
Normal Hulk gets stopped at 9

Originally posted by bigbran
Normal Hulk gets stopped way before that.

This IS normal Hulk, just maxed out.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
This IS normal Hulk, just maxed out.

Originally posted by bigbran
I think he means starts out not enraged.

Aye.

But I doubt anyone on the list would survive a single blow from the Hulk if he is at the level the OP puts him at.

Originally posted by Innerhype
Aye.

But I doubt anyone on the list would survive a single blow from the Hulk if he is at the level the OP puts him at.

if he's at full rage as in no upper limit he should clear this

Originally posted by lando005
if he's at full rage as in no upper limit he should clear this

Originally posted by bigbran
Not even funny...

Originally posted by Dinalfos
He was acting like a wild beast. That's not really Sasquatch himself. My guess is that Tanaraq continuously grows and grows, but that he can be oppressed to a certain extent. This is what's being suggested in various bios. So no, he's not taking over completely, but if Sas stops resisting on a subconscious level, he will. .

That;s Sasquatch angry, just like how he destroyed Thing when he was wearing the exo-suit. Not quite Walter and not quite Tanaraq. Walter doesn't have much choice actually, he has tried to stop Tanaraq but even transforming each time into Sasquatch Tanaraq slowly begins to take control. If nothing major externally happens, then it would take a period for Tanaraq to gain complete control.

Originally posted by Dinalfos

Yes, he basically gave up. But still, without going into a raging frenzy, Sasquatch should've been taken out. That, or Hulk wasn't that angry.

No we saw Hulk was VERY angry. Sasquatch has beaten an alternate reality Savage Hulk as well, of course this was after he was able to increase his strength via anger or pain. As well as gone toe to toe with other class 100 characters yet didn't resort to getting angry.

Originally posted by Dinalfos

That's besides the point. Exact representation or not, these characters are often used differently in relation to other characters. Many of them get killed or otherwise defeated, regardless of whether it makes sense or not. Even if that's not the case here, there's simply no telling if the writers took unnecessary liberties, as they're often not the same as the mainstream continuity ones. It's a principal, imo.

Except interviews stated that unvierse was in is the exact same representation of when Kulan Gath took over the world in 616. This is the world if he never was stopped at all and if the world wasn't returned to normal. It's the exact same as the 616 universe as the writer mentioned.

Originally posted by Dinalfos

Yeah, but Marvel.com is the official web site, so I guess that must mean SOMETHING. And Alphanex is Free Content, so it can be edited by the fans.

Considering her powers, Talisman seemed to be jobbing a little. But if all Tanaraq had to do was attacking her "hidden fires", there's no guarantee that it would work on a maxed out Hulk. And controlling death and decay, what does that even mean? It could work only if it's magical/ mystical in output, and even then it's more than iffy. So, yeah, I still say they stalemate. That is, f Tanaraq comes out before it's too late. Sas starts at a major disadvantage.

Anyone can edit on marvel.com, and nope not everyone can edit the alphanex. Big difference

Not really, even Dr,Strange level mystics are terrified of the Great Beasts, and as shown Exiles Tanaraq manhandled Kulan Gath. What are you talking about? why would it work on the binder of spirits but not Hulk? that makes no sense. What? Tanaraq is magic, but his powers have worked on both magic and normal beings. Oh I don't think Tanaraq would come out here as it was not stipulated as he is allowed. Hulk has nothing on this elder god.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
That;s Sasquatch angry, just like how he destroyed Thing when he was wearing the exo-suit. Not quite Walter and not quite Tanaraq. Walter doesn't have much choice actually, he has tried to stop Tanaraq but even transforming each time into Sasquatch Tanaraq slowly begins to take control. If nothing major externally happens, then it would take a period for Tanaraq to gain complete control.

A normal human mind doesn't usually start roaring and ravaging like a beast. That was Tanaraq's increasing influence. Just because Hulk can be a beast, it doesn't mean Bruce is gone completely. Yet, we can say that it's primarily Hulk who's acting. It seems to me as if Tanaraq managed to gain more control, just not everything.

No we saw Hulk was VERY angry. Sasquatch has beaten an alternate reality Savage Hulk as well, of course this was after he was able to increase his strength via anger or pain. As well as gone toe to toe with other class 100 characters yet didn't resort to getting angry.

Very angry, but the thing is that he can ALWAYS become angrier. "Very angry" doesn't mean much in and of itself. I saw the fight in which he beat Hulk. It looked like PIS to me, which is one of the reasons why alternate realities are so unreliable. Hell, even the mainstream continuity has a hard time getting it right (for many characters!), so the alternate ones hold no value to me. None. They can be amusing, but also inconsistent and cheap.

Except interviews stated that unvierse was in is the exact same representation of when Kulan Gath took over the world in 616. This is the world if he never was stopped at all and if the world wasn't returned to normal. It's the exact same as the 616 universe as the writer mentioned.

Again, this is besides the point. There are many stories/books that claim to be an actual representation with an alternate spin on them, but they often turn out to be shakey at best. You can choose to accept them, but I don't. I'm not going to use non-canon evidence in my favour either. Well, not on purpose anyway.

Anyone can edit on marvel.com, and nope not everyone can edit the alphanex. Big difference

Not really, even Dr,Strange level mystics are terrified of the Great Beasts, and as shown Exiles Tanaraq manhandled Kulan Gath. What are you talking about? why would it work on the binder of spirits but not Hulk? that makes no sense. What? Tanaraq is magic, but his powers have worked on both magic and normal beings. Oh I don't think Tanaraq would come out here as it was not stipulated as he is allowed. Hulk has nothing on this elder god.

Because not everything works on everybody. Because Hulk is immune or highly resistant to things other guys aren't. Because Hulk is not the binder of spirits and the Binder of Spirits ain't the Hulk. I mean, who the hell could've thought that Ghostrider's Penance Stare doesn't work on Venom, while it does or should on guys far more powerful? It's all about factors. Maybe some stuff works on Hulk that doesn't on others, such as SS's ability to drain (gamma) radiation. Unless Tanaraq displays vast magical/mystical powers himself, beyond the "death, decay and hidden fires" vagueness.

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Originally posted by Dinalfos
A normal human mind doesn't usually start roaring and ravaging like a beast. That was Tanaraq's increasing influence. Just because Hulk can be a beast, it doesn't mean Bruce is gone completely. Yet, we can say that it's primarily Hulk who's acting. It seems to me as if Tanaraq managed to gain more control, just not everything.

In comics apparently it does, Wild Child, Sabertooth, Wolverine, Feral, etc. etc. Yes it was his increasing influence, but he still was far away from being Tanaraq himself. Eh? that's what I was saying, the more rage or pain he feels the more he loses control.

Originally posted by Dinalfos

Very angry, but the thing is that he can ALWAYS become angrier. "Very angry" doesn't mean much in and of itself. I saw the fight in which he beat Hulk. It looked like PIS to me, which is one of the reasons why alternate realities are so unreliable. Hell, even the mainstream continuity has a hard time getting it right (for many characters!), so the alternate ones hold no value to me. None. They can be amusing, but also inconsistent and cheap.

Hulk was out for blood, how often do you see that? not to often. He was down right pissed. Why do you say PIS when it looks badly for your character? Sasquatch is no joke look at his track record. Llan as stated created the altnerate reality characters even in some cases stronger than their 616 counterparts.

Originally posted by Dinalfos

Again, this is besides the point. There are many stories/books that claim to be an actual representation with an alternate spin on them, but they often turn out to be shakey at best. You can choose to accept them, but I don't. I'm not going to use non-canon evidence in my favour either. Well, not on purpose anyway.

Mostly I don't, but however, the writer in an interview stated it to be a exact reflection of when Kulan Gath went wild in 616. Even Exiles Sasquatch has very similar comparisons to 616. Through battling with Talisman to a stand still and a foe Dr.Strange was unsure he could beat was terrifed of the Great Beasts. The Gods of the Artic who created the Wendigo and manhandled Mauvais are the Great Beasts equal.

Originally posted by Dinalfos

Because not everything works on everybody. Because Hulk is immune or highly resistant to things other guys aren't. Because Hulk is not the binder of spirits and the Binder of Spirits ain't the Hulk. I mean, who the hell could've thought that Ghostrider's Penance Stare doesn't work on Venom, while it does or should on guys far more powerful? It's all about factors. Maybe some stuff works on Hulk that doesn't on others, such as SS's ability to drain (gamma) radiation. Unless Tanaraq displays vast magical/mystical powers himself, beyond the "death, decay and hidden fires" vagueness.

immune to Elder gods manipulation? unlikely. Talisman is on a higher plane than Hulk yet she was even killed by Somon (breifly) and Tanaraq's attacks worked on her. There is nothing to indicate a person who is said to have "godhood" powers and his attacked worked on them would not on Hulk. Hulk lives and isn't immortal so thus he can die why wouldn't it work? Well considering he made Talisman magic blow up in her face yeah, even Ranaq was warping reality and Kolomaq (living embodiment of winter) castied forth a blizzard that equaled a million winters. We have yet to see the Great Beasts unleashed, but what we have seen is impressive

Originally posted by King_Mungi
In comics apparently it does, Wild Child, Sabertooth, Wolverine, Feral, etc. etc. Yes it was his increasing influence, but he still was far away from being Tanaraq himself. Eh? that's what I was saying, the more rage or pain he feels the more he loses control.

Hulk was out for blood, how often do you see that? not to often. He was down right pissed. Why do you say PIS when it looks badly for your character? Sasquatch is no joke look at his track record. Llan as stated created the altnerate reality characters even in some cases stronger than their 616 counterparts.

Mostly I don't, but however, the writer in an interview stated it to be a exact reflection of when Kulan Gath went wild in 616. Even Exiles Sasquatch has very similar comparisons to 616. Through battling with Talisman to a stand still and a foe Dr.Strange was unsure he could beat was terrifed of the Great Beasts. The Gods of the Artic who created the Wendigo and manhandled Mauvais are the Great Beasts equal.

immune to Elder gods manipulation? unlikely. Talisman is on a higher plane than Hulk yet she was even killed by Somon (breifly) and Tanaraq's attacks worked on her. There is nothing to indicate a person who is said to have "godhood" powers and his attacked worked on them would not on Hulk. Hulk lives and isn't immortal so thus he can die why wouldn't it work? Well considering he made Talisman magic blow up in her face yeah, even Ranaq was warping reality and Kolomaq (living embodiment of winter) castied forth a blizzard that equaled a million winters. We have yet to see the Great Beasts unleashed, but what we have seen is impressive

Euh mate you know I respect you and will never debate you on Alphe flight, but dude this is mindless hulk, a never ending source of power ( and because he misses banner) there is nothing that can stop his rage.