Originally posted by Rewmac
😆 It was stated a million times that the Crisis didn't effect Darkseid.And in my opinion the biggest load of shit was IC. PIS on the GL Coprs, too good showing on Supes should I continue??
Darth also proved the incredible PIS ending, involving the Spectre.
Where Spectre needed some magicians or something to weaken AM.
I'm not too sure on the details, but Darth know the rest.
Stories sell... not history...
Thats why whenever you watch a movie... it doesn't say.. these are the facts of this story... It'll say.. This movie is based upon... because they butcher the facts so bad... they make a white guy black... just to keep certain demographics happy.
Comics let you get away from the world. Course... you could always watch tv shows like cops... where the takedowns are real... even if the planting of the evidence is a bit obvious.
I was watching cops where they said they had been chasing a black guy wearing a green shirt today... course they catch the guy... he's black.. wearing a white shirt... cops say it must be him, guys like its not me.. cops like look at his dirty hands he must've got it from jumping the fence.. course i was thinking maybe you did it when you shoved him into the ground...
The biggest fact that makes me think the black guy was innocent? Cops said they had been chasing him for blocks. Guys in jeans, hairs clean, not even disheveled... and he's not even sweating..
heh.. that cop was selling a story. bend the facts a little. and you get stuff that sells.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Darth also proved the incredible PIS ending, involving the Spectre.Where Spectre needed some magicians or something to weaken AM.
I'm not too sure on the details, but Darth know the rest.
I bet your not to sure on the details cause you've never read it huh 🙄
the orginal reality was a Multiverse
Multi meaning many
it says so In Infinite Crisis
http://img378.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan00154ka.jpg
AM destroyed the majority of these by the time of the infamous AM vs Spectre fight their where only four left
Earth S, Earth 1, Earth 2, Earth 4
In the scuffle between spectre and AM evrything that was left was destroyed.
There was nothing more
Then Spectre created a new mulitverse ( which everyone thoguht at first was only a single universe)
consisting of the CSA universe , DCU proper , and Wildstorm
Originally posted by Devil Lance
I bet your not to sure on the details cause you've never read it huh
Darth will take care if this one, I don't have the details so I'm not going to swim here.
But Darth conclusively proved with the issues themselves that the prior DC Multi-verse was a sum of many weaker Universes.
Meaning only by adding ALL of the Universes together could you get ONE full Universe.
Originally posted by rotiart
My thinking is that Ion and Parallax were shown (at least to me) to be universal... where as the Antimonitor was shown (at least to me) to be multiversal...He was destroying many universes... not just one...
Originally posted by Mr MasterNot true. The AntiMatter Universe was wholly seperate from the matter multiverse, as a Universe unto itself. He almost had the power of the entire anti-matter universe, as well as all the matter universes. I already covered such in the thread way back.
Darthgoober proved that all those Universes AM absorbed were just a piece of ONE Universe.In fact he proved that AM needed to absorb those last 5 or 10 Universes in order to be equal to just One Eternity.
Ok I found it.
This is Darthgoober's great findings on the Anti-Monitor issue.
PART ONE
Ok, I've been doing some research into the whole COIE ordeal, and I've come to the conclusion that there's NO WAY, AM could win this fight. You see, as it turns out AM DIDN'T have the power of a near multi-verse. What he had was the power of a SINGLE large universe. Need proof? OK take a look...
See, when one of the positive matter universes were destroyed, the anti matter universe expanded. AM didn't get all the power of the destroyed universe, his own universes power just increased. And that's what he got, the power of the Anti Matter Universe. He even says it himself, check it out...
So how much power did he get when he absorbed his universe? Well, luckily enough, that's covered earlier in the same issue...
So he has the power of 53 million worlds, with more that 2 million of them containing life. Now I'm pretty sure that Marvel has never released an exact number on the population of the multi-verse, but given that there's an infinite number of universes within it, I feel safe in saying that there are more worlds(inhabited, and uninhabited) within Marvel's multi-verse, than there is within the anti matter universe. And what does that mean? Well that means that ME has MORE power to draw from, and is therefore more powerful.
(Now to all of those that are arguing for AM absorbing Multi Eternity, I would just like to point out that he NEVER demonstrated the ability to absorb a standard universe, only an anti matter universe. Matter and anti matter cancel each other out, so if he HAD tried to absorb one of the standard universes, it would have probably destroyed him. So he WON'T be absorbing any part of ME.)
Now as for the big show down at the dawn of time, I want you to take a look at something...
Well look what AM says in the first and second panels. He used his energy to breach the Wall of Creation, and NEEDED the life energy of DC's heroes to complete the next step. So apparently, the power he absorbed, wasn't even enough to complete his plan. So even if AM got the chance to go back in time to try to destroy ME, he wouldn't have the power to do it when he got there.
Now for those of you who are bound to point out that it took the Spectre to stop AM, well I have come up with 2 possible answers as to why that was necessary.
1. At the time, the Spectre simply wasn't as powerful at the time as he is now.
2. (And this is the one I believe) It was the single BIGGEST PIS showing in comic book history. Need proof of that? Well look...
Now think about that. The Spectre is backed by God, but for some reason he needs the power of some sorcerers to turn the tide? The way I figure it, DC needed someone that was more powerful than all the heroes put together for the big climactic showdown.But Kismet(DC's Eternity) hadn't been introduced yet. So who did DC have that fit that description? Spectre.
Looking at all this, I think it's safe to say, that Multi-Eternity wins this fight without to much trouble.
And this is the continuation.
PART TWO
Second of all, everyone who's a big DC fan, should get ready to HATE me(if you don't already), because I've discovered something that's going to PISS you off. However it will also explain how the Anti Matter Universe, was able to expand and become more powerful, while retaining it's original size(which I already covered in my last post). Just remember, I didn't come up with this stuff, I'm only pointing it out.
Now we'll start with the beginnings of the DC Multiverse(I've included the first two pages of it's origin for anybody who doesn't know it, but the important stuff doesn't start until the third scan)...
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http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/7707/crisis708ye4.jpg
This one's a little more important, which is why you get a thumbnail for it(even though I already posted it)...
Now the reason I say that the third scan is more important, is because it shows the universes overlapping to a degree, without actually interacting. Why you ask? Because the universes that made up the DC multi-verse, weren't laid out side by side, they were kind of stacked within the same space, and were separated by vibrational wavelengths that kept them from actually interacting with each other. This is first mentioned on the first page of the first book...
See at the bottom it says that the universes were vibrating and replicating. Now I would also like to bring your attention to the part(in the same narration box), that says "what should have been one became many", because that's about to be important.
So what does all this talk about the universe fracturing and the resulting universes being separated by vibrations have to do with anything? Well I'll get to that after I show you these scans, which point out something important about the multi-verses origin...
This is from the first book. Look at what it says in the upper right hand panel. "The universe once divided into many parts...Each one different, independent, yet somehow WEAKER than the whole". What does this mean exactly? Well to put it bluntly, it means that even though DC at the time was a multiverse, it was a weak multiverse that only contained as much power as a single universe. And before anyone tries to call BS on the fact, here's the Monitor saying the same thing in the forth book...
"The universe was split apart at the dawn of time...each part WEAKER than the whole it was meant to be". He also says that the universes are separated by by vibrations and time.
When all of this is taken into account, here are my theories on the matter...
About AM's power increasing with the destruction of the positive matter universes... Well his universe obviously didn't grow outward and actually become larger(because of the dimensions given for it and because of the impossibility of an infinite number of universes being placed side by side). It would be more accurate to say that it grew in DENSITY(it's the best word I could think of to describe it). It became more real, and more like the ORIGINAL universe in overall power.
This also means(and THIS is what's really going to piss some people off), that even at the height of his power, AM wasn't even as powerful as a SINGLE intact universe(because there were still 5 universes left out to complete the whole). So not only could he not take Multi Eternity, he probably couldn't take the universal aspect of Eternity either. His power falls just shy(5 mini universes to be exact).
Before everyone starts attacking me as a "DC hater", let me just say that I've spent the past three days going over all this stuff, but there IS a chance I missed something. So if anyone has any evidence which goes against all this, feel free to bring it to the table, and I'll address it. Also, I have no idea, on how powerful DC's universe is NOW. All this stuff relates only to the power of DC during COIE. I'm not saying that Marvel's universe is STILL more powerful.
Originally posted by Mr MasterIt was PIS, Spectre required the power from a handful of Magicians to beat AM............ rediculous:
Darth also proved the incredible PIS ending, involving the Spectre.Where Spectre needed some magicians or something to weaken AM.
I'm not too sure on the details, but Darth know the rest.
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Originally posted by Galan777
It was PIS, Spectre required the power from a handful of Magicians to beat AM............ rediculous:http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/4163/vsantimoniterfc5.jpg
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not really pis if you think about it 😉
Spectre needed The pwoer of the magic people (which was his own power by the way since Spectre IS magic which was established in DOV) ( which included a 5-d imp mind you) to push AM back
so he could conserve his own power that he needed to "create" a new multiverse which is the one we had before Infinite crisis
So the only reason spectre need those extra powers was so he could conserve his own powers for when he need to create the n w multiverse. 😉
Originally posted by Devil Lance
So the only reason spectre need those extra powers was so he could conserve his own powers for when he need to create the n w multiverse.
I guess that's the PIS in the story then.
He needs to conserve his energy (enough to create a Multi-verse) yet he can't take a Universal threat on his own.
I don't know if you paid attention to Goober's findings but, AM didn't even have the power of ONE Universe, he was 4 Universes shy from attaining Eternity (single Universe) status.
