The Celestials? No chance. Strong, but bound to reality. These two have control over reality. The Celestials lose. Phoenix Force needs a host and has decided not to interfere because of what damage it does. Reed with the Ultimate Nullifier? That's really a joke. They can UNMAKE Reed. They can transport him into space. Goodbye Reed unless you can survive the core of a sun. HoM Wanda could make one reality but she can't take on two people with reality warping powers far beyond her own.
Originally posted by NikkolasReed /w/ the UN wiped out the entire Multiverse my friend, a feat FAR beyond the 2 in this thread...
Reed with the Ultimate Nullifier? That's really a joke. They can UNMAKE Reed. They can transport him into space. Goodbye Reed unless you can survive the core of a sun.
Originally posted by Nikkolas😆
HoM Wanda could make one reality but she can't take on two people with reality warping powers far beyond her own.
God you're stupid. You realy don't know anything about who Franklin or Jim are. Check our their bios. Check out anyone who thinks Wanda can take either one of them. And Reed with the UN destroyed the multiverse? Interesting. How does he do this when these two simply think him out of existence? Or turn him into a block of wood?
Originally posted by Nikkolaswatch the insults buddy, they make you look even worse
God you're stupid.
Originally posted by NikkolasI sure do....... Do you know who Reed and Wanda are?
You realy don't know anything about who Franklin or Jim are.
Originally posted by Nikkolasummm........ By clicking a button, and destroying the Multiverse...
And Reed with the UN destroyed the multiverse? Interesting. How does he do this when these two simply think him out of existence? Or turn him into a block of wood?
Originally posted by Nikkolas
God you're stupid. You realy don't know anything about who Franklin or Jim are. Check our their bios. Check out anyone who thinks Wanda can take either one of them. And Reed with the UN destroyed the multiverse? Interesting. How does he do this when these two simply think him out of existence? Or turn him into a block of wood?
Pretty hard to wipe them out when the Multi-Verse is gone.
HoM Wanda would stand an awesome chance against these 2, but not on her own.
Turn him into Wood? Oh ye, when Wanda turns him back.
Originally posted by Nikkolas
God you're stupid. You realy don't know anything about who Franklin or Jim are. Check our their bios. Check out anyone who thinks Wanda can take either one of them. And Reed with the UN destroyed the multiverse? Interesting. How does he do this when these two simply think him out of existence? Or turn him into a block of wood?
Originally posted by Nikkolas
God you're stupid. You realy don't know anything about who Franklin or Jim are. Check our their bios. Check out anyone who thinks Wanda can take either one of them. And Reed with the UN destroyed the multiverse? Interesting. How does he do this when these two simply think him out of existence? Or turn him into a block of wood?
😕 You shouldn't call someone stupid when they are talking sense, Franklin at full power is supposed to be celestial level and we don't even know where in the celestial hierarchy he stands. So i think its reasonable to assume and this is me being nice but 3 celestials should be enough.
Originally posted by Nikkolas
God you're stupid. You realy don't know anything about who Franklin or Jim are. Check our their bios. Check out anyone who thinks Wanda can take either one of them. And Reed with the UN destroyed the multiverse? Interesting. How does he do this when these two simply think him out of existence? Or turn him into a block of wood?
Dude chil out! Galan is right. They are both very powerful, but could definitly be taken down by several beings in the marvel universe. Also I don't see how the two of them are more powerful than say Abraxis? Explain that to me. UN would erase them.
Franklyn would get slapped backwards with little effort by a host of beings in the Marvel Universe.
Now Jaspers is the tuffy,
If it's 238 Jaspers the UN would definitely erase him.
But I don't think 616 Jaspers can be killed that way fellas.
The FURY (Jasper's creation) wasn't fazed by the Celestial Nullifier, which is basically the same as the UN.
When the 238 Universe was erased/nullified from existence, the FURY (who was in that Universe) survived unscathed.
The Celestial Nullifier is a weapon used by the Omniversal Tribune, these cats have authority over every single Universe in the Omni-verse.
"Destroy an ENTIRE Universe, are you people insane"?
"an ENTIRE Universe OBLITERATED in an Instant"
"In ALL the OMNI-VERSE there is NOT ONE Universe that I cannot DESTROY at the Touch of a Switch"
Jaspers showed more power than Wanda.
Jasper's Warp was spreading across the Omni-verse (with full control) unlike HOM's Chaos Wave, (which was out of control)
Jasper's created his own Universe out of Quantum Strings (smallest particles known) he also became that Universe
"I made everything actually, I made the sky, I made the Tiger the Lamb"
"I MADE the STARS"
LT would blink him away, but LT wouldn't interfere if it's just ONE Universe at stake, so long as it doesn't upset the Multiversal balance.
Now, Jasper's weakness in Un-Space (where there is no Reality) but in order to bring Un-Reality about, you have to nullify the Reality that's there to begin with.
It's a good tactic that can be easily achieved by the UN, but then, who can survive the UN (besides the FURY) to smack him around afterwards?
That's the $64,000 question.
Jaspers is certainly much more powerful than HoM wanda. I don't know much about Franklin, as I personally haven't read many comics with him in it (showcasing his abilities) though I have heard he has alot of potential to be very powerful. Jaspers would be tough to beat, but I think the sheer amount of powerful entities in the MU may be able to think of a plan to take him out.
Originally posted by 8urs
Just because The Fury survived a nullifier doesn't mean Jasper can.
So the Fury, which was created by Jaspers can survive, but not it's creator.
Got it.
Originally posted by 8urs
The Fury doesn't need reality to do what it does, that's why it survived.
Who said needing reality had anything to do with it.
The Fury survived because Jaspers made him indestructible, period.
Originally posted by 8urs
The UN would be able to kill Jasper.
I think NOT.
Merlin says,
"I stretched your sanity to the breaking point to prepare you for a Universe (238) Reduced to Idiocy" the Omniversal Tribune Erased 238.
Merlin says about Cap. Britain, "I sent you to a LESSER MENACE (Jaspers 238) and you were Killed"
Merlin now says,
"You cannot fail, THIS VERSION of Japers is TOO Powerful, too dangerous"
They had to destroy the entire 238 Universe in order to kill 238 Jaspers,
BUT 616 Jaspers is "NOT SO EASILY CONTAINED, and if he's not stopped, the OMNI-VERSE will fall into Chaos, and a NEW GOD shall play dice with Matter"
So much for the UN doing anything to 616 Jaspers.
I already asked. But I'll do it again in vain hopes someone will be mildly honest and pst a quote or proof Franklin is only Celestial at full potential. Come on. I'm waiting.
And as stated, Jaspers already created a universe. With a full-potential Franklin aiding him, I don't see them having any remote difficulty in unmaking and remaking portions of the multiverse. But, no! Franklin can nonly ever be as strong as a Celestial! Until I get some proof, that is nothign but BS.
And why do people keep bringing up the UN? Who's gonna use it? These two will obviously make their own universe in which they are omniscient and omnipotent. They don't want someone to use it, they won't. Simple as that.
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Franklyn would get slapped backwards with little effort by a host of beings in the Marvel Universe.
Shame that Franklin will be stronger than Jaspers as already stated and made clear by the Celestials. Franklin is the most powerful being born on Earth and he is the ultimate creation of their experiment. They didn't say that about Jaspers. Franklin, at full-potential, thinks "don't slap me" and whoever it is doesn't slap him. Tell me exactly who could beat him at full-potential.
