Originally posted by Nikkolas
The Celestials? No chance. Strong, but bound to reality.
Yea there pretty strong. Each one of them could be as powerful as a normal Galactus.These two have control over reality. The Celestials lose.
Originally posted by Nikkolas
Phoenix Force needs a host and has decided not to interfere because of what damage it does.
Originally posted by Nikkolas
Reed with the Ultimate Nullifier? That's really a joke. They can UNMAKE Reed. They can transport him into space. Goodbye Reed unless you can survive the core of a sun.
Originally posted by Nikkolas
HoM Wanda could make one reality but she can't take on two people with reality warping powers far beyond her own.
Originally posted by Priest
These two have control over reality. The Celestials lose.
So Frankin Richards and Jaspers can control other realities as well? I dont think so.The tread says Marvel Universe, of course the Phoenix can take part in this fight.
Abraxas can unmake Read as well, he as well is multiversal, He fell to the Ulitmate Nullifier.
Thanos with the IG can easily beat these too.
squirrel girl beat thanos
he's overrated
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Originally posted by Kutulu
I normally love your posts Mr. M., but I have debated this particular aspect of the Celestials creation. I agree with you on most of your other points.It shows the Celestials appear and not be created, if you read it another way it could be interpreted that Eternity summoned the Celestials as opposed to creating them.
The reason I feel that is because there have been Celestials shown in other realities other than 616. Reed Richards stated once that he believed that Hyperstorm was tapping into the same pool of energy that the Celestials used, this was for universe 967. Hyperstorm had the ability to use this power while existing in between realities, and Galactus was able to feed off of it. In short, hyperspace seemed to be the fuel to which time and space were created.
In addition to that, in the alternate timeline where Galactus went crazy after consuming the Black Celestial, he began to consume time and space itself using his machine, and this is why that alternate version had the potential to threaten multiple universes. Now what is it that made Galactus get such a jump up in energy? It was consuming the Celestials that did it. What did Galactus get from pulling the energy from Hyperstorm? Same thing - Hyperspace energy. Not as much energy as a full grown Celestial though of course. It has been shown by occurring in these alternate realities that Hyperspace energy seems to exist outside of the universes within the multiverse.
Given that the Celestials tap into that energy as their main power source, and that it has been hinted at that the Celestials were present in the Eternity that collapsed / imploded and gave it's power to Galactus, it's not a far stretch to say that the Celestials and their bretheren as a race exist outside of regular space and time and have manifestations in the majority of the universes within the multiverse that contains 616. From that conclusion, it could be said then that Celestials themselves are not created by 616 Eternity; rather that he summoned them there, came upon his meditation as the manifestation in other words.
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Originally posted by Nikkolas
The Celestials? No chance. Strong, but bound to reality. These two have control over reality. The Celestials lose. Phoenix Force needs a host and has decided not to interfere because of what damage it does. Reed with the Ultimate Nullifier? That's really a joke. They can UNMAKE Reed. They can transport him into space. Goodbye Reed unless you can survive the core of a sun. HoM Wanda could make one reality but she can't take on two people with reality warping powers far beyond her own.
Phoenix Force/Thanos & The Celestials are more powerful then read the God Stalker who was made by the celestials could fold space so he could be on one side of the universe and then on the other side in seconds.
Originally posted by Kutulu
I normally love your posts Mr. M., but I have debated this particular aspect of the celestial creation. I agree with you on most of your other points.It shows the celestial appear and not be created, if you read it another way it could be interpreted that Eternity summoned the celestial as opposed to creating them.
The reason I feel that is because there have been celestial shown in other realities other than 616. Reed Richards stated once that he believed that Hyperstorm was tapping into the same pool of energy that the celestial used, this was for universe 967. Hyperstorm had the ability to use this power while existing in between realities, and Galactus was able to feed off of it. In short, hyperspace seemed to be the fuel to which time and space were created.
In addition to that, in the alternate timeline where Galactus went crazy after consuming the Black Celestial, he began to consume time and space itself using his machine, and this is why that alternate version had the potential to threaten multiple universes. Now what is it that made Galactus get such a jump up in energy? It was consuming the celestial that did it. What did Galactus get from pulling the energy from Hyperstorm? Same thing - Hyperspace energy. Not as much energy as a full grown Celestial though of course. It has been shown by occurring in these alternate realities that Hyperspace energy seems to exist outside of the universes within the multiverse.
Given that the celestial tap into that energy as their main power source, and that it has been hinted at that the celestial were present in the Eternity that collapsed / imploded and gave it's power to Galactus, it's not a far stretch to say that the celestial and their bretheren as a race exist outside of regular space and time and have manifestations in the majority of the universes within the multiverse that contains 616. From that conclusion, it could be said then that celestial themselves are not created by 616 Eternity; rather that he summoned them there, came upon his meditation as the manifestation in other words.
❌ Actually Mr M is 100% spot on the celestial came from eternity and its within the context of that scan and its text your not at fault as many can misinterpret what the dialogue means. I have encountered the term nebulous before i know it means unity of the mind and one with the inner self and a transaction of the universal mind . What i can take from the scan and its text is eternity has gone into deep meditation and reached a state of inner calm and focus therefore reaching the nebulous state and its from his nebulous sphere that the celestial come from basically his inner and most thought of thoughts. The writer was obviously going for something extremely deep when describing the creation of the celestial.