Full-Potential Franklin Richards and Mad Jim Jaspers vs. Marvel universe

Originally posted by Nikkolas
First off, no proof Celestials were made from Eternity. Only speculation. Quotes saying directly by a source who would know, such as the narrator or whoever "the Celestial race were born created by Eternity"?

If you won't except On Panel STATEMENTS accompanied by On Panel ARTISTIC DEPICTION,

debating with you is meaningless.

AGAIN:

Eternity created the Celestials through meditation

Celestial manifesting due to Eternity

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Oh and your word trumps the word of the comic? Sorry, but no. Celestials say Franklin is the best, he's the best. Your word is not even in teh ballpark of worth a shit and not in teh same galaxy as canon while the Celestials' word is.

So the Celestials can make a claim but Eternity who is BEYOND them can not.

My my, aren't we selective.

Don't waste my time.

You are being quite ridiculous, Nikkolas. I think it's pretty clear that Eternity created the Celestials according to the scans. Seems like you have your very own unique way to look at them and I'm guessing you are alone with it.

Originally posted by breeze85
You are being quite ridiculous, Nikkolas. I think it's pretty clear that Eternity created the Celestials according to the scans. Seems like you have your very own unique way to look at them and I'm guessing you are alone with it.

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Originally posted by Nikkolas
First off, no proof Celestials were made from Eternity. Only speculation. Quotes saying directly by a source who would know, such as the narrator or whoever "the Celestial race were born created by Eternity"?

😆 This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. No proof after a scan shows ON PANEL how the Celestials were created? I'm entertained.

Originally posted by Mr Master
PF, would get turned into Jaspers pet canary.

I need proof, fact?

proof plz

So the Celestials can make a claim but Eternity who is BEYOND them can not.

My my, aren't we selective.

Don't waste my time.

Okay. Don't waste my time, then. He created the Celestials. Hooray. Now where is the proof that Jaspers is beyond Franklin at full-potential? Where does Eternity say he is? Because the Celestials already said Franklin was the best. So, unless you can give me a quote saying no, Jaspers is, I don't really care.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Because the Celestials already said Franklin was the best. So, unless you can give me a quote saying no, Jaspers is, I don't really care.

Franklyn Richards and Valeria, his sister reanimate Galactus who had become a Star

They succeeded, and it's a great feat, BUT:

"Your SON'S Cosmic Powers are FOREVER, EXHAUSTED for the greater good of all"

Well then, guess your Celestials were WRONG!!!

So forget Jim Jaspers, any kid over 4 feet tall can clean the street with his face.

True Beyonder kills them witha thought

Originally posted by Galan777
watch the insults buddy, they make you look even worse

I sure do....... Do you know who Reed and Wanda are?

ummm........ By clicking a button, and destroying the Multiverse...

Originally posted by Mr Master
"Your SON'S Cosmic Powers are FOREVER, EXHAUSTED for the greater good of all"

Franklin was also a little kid. If his power would already be mature in his total control and in peak of his power, he would probably do that alone and not with so much trouble.

Originally posted by General Kon-El
don't you just get annoyed by noobs?

What is full potential Franklin Richards?

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Both reality-warpers of the highest and infinite order. Franklin is now a supervillain. Can anyone stop them?

living tribunal

all of the celestials

Prepped up Doc Stange.

Originally posted by King KAM
Prepped up Doc Stange.

his tricks are good 😛

Hulk Killer Humanoid ?

Originally posted by Galan007
Reed /w/ the UN wiped out the entire Multiverse my friend, a feat FAR beyond the 2 in this thread...

😆

Never happened. Thats one persons interpretation. 😖hifty:

Reed reset Eternity which meant that all the damage across the multiverse never happened. The whole multiverse wasnt consumed by the UN. Its never shown or stated before or after that story to have multiversal range.

The UN's and Abraxas' bio entries back this up and the on panel scene can be interpreted in this way.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Never happened. Thats one persons interpretation. 😖hifty:

Reed reset Eternity which meant that all the damage across the multiverse never happened. The whole multiverse wasnt consumed by the UN. Its never shown or stated before or after that story to have multiversal range.

The UN's and Abraxas' bio entries back this up and the on panel scene can be interpreted in this way.

in my opinion, never understood why abraxas needed the UN

was a good story tho 😮‍💨

Originally posted by Mr Master
Eternity created the Celestials through meditation

Celestial manifesting due to Eternity

I normally love your posts Mr. M., but I have debated this particular aspect of the Celestials creation. I agree with you on most of your other points.

It shows the Celestials appear and not be created, if you read it another way it could be interpreted that Eternity summoned the Celestials as opposed to creating them.

The reason I feel that is because there have been Celestials shown in other realities other than 616. Reed Richards stated once that he believed that Hyperstorm was tapping into the same pool of energy that the Celestials used, this was for universe 967. Hyperstorm had the ability to use this power while existing in between realities, and Galactus was able to feed off of it. In short, hyperspace seemed to be the fuel to which time and space were created.

In addition to that, in the alternate timeline where Galactus went crazy after consuming the Black Celestial, he began to consume time and space itself using his machine, and this is why that alternate version had the potential to threaten multiple universes. Now what is it that made Galactus get such a jump up in energy? It was consuming the Celestials that did it. What did Galactus get from pulling the energy from Hyperstorm? Same thing - Hyperspace energy. Not as much energy as a full grown Celestial though of course. It has been shown by occurring in these alternate realities that Hyperspace energy seems to exist outside of the universes within the multiverse.

Given that the Celestials tap into that energy as their main power source, and that it has been hinted at that the Celestials were present in the Eternity that collapsed / imploded and gave it's power to Galactus, it's not a far stretch to say that the Celestials and their bretheren as a race exist outside of regular space and time and have manifestations in the majority of the universes within the multiverse that contains 616. From that conclusion, it could be said then that Celestials themselves are not created by 616 Eternity; rather that he summoned them there, came upon his meditation as the manifestation in other words.