help understanding compass

okay so i just read the waffles thing does that mean that the only reason it was pointing to Jack was because Will wasn't there? because technically he wasn't in those two scenes

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no. it was pointing to Jack because at that moment he was what she wanted most.

here's my take on the compass.

1. if Ted and Terry dont agree where it points (and they dont) then us debating it seems a bit foolish.

2. it doesnt really matter where the compass is actually pointing if a character is thinking it is pointing at a certain thing (lets talk Jung, the collective unconsious, and the power of suggestive reasoning).

3. The compass was, in some respects, a plot device used for the sake of clarifying certain actions because T and T are so adamant about not letting their characters monologue emotionally. But apparantly we havent seen the end of it yet.

Originally posted by a-k-a-amber
okay so i just read the waffles thing does that mean that the only reason it was pointing to Jack was because Will wasn't there? because technically he wasn't in those two scenes

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Yes I believe so, but if Liz would had really desire that feast, meal or whatever they call Will, she wouldn't had noticed the waffle in the first place.

Originally posted by Mistypirate
Yes I believe so, but if Liz would had really desire that feast, meal or whatever they call Will, she wouldn't had noticed the waffle in the first place.

Originally posted by a-k-a-amber
see thats what i was thinking and it gets me a bit worried...

Well IMO Liz's feelings for Will are not strong enough for her to be faithful to him, and Jack is the reason for her conflict. Thats were the chaining him to the mast comes in to play. Get rid of her temptation and drown her guilt.

I've been thinking about something regarding the compass. First it pointed to the chest, then to Jack, then to the chest again. What I find most interesting is that Elizabeth THINKS it still points to Jack and her reaction to it. It means that she has been thinking about him, her defiant denial tells us that something is definitely stewing inside her, emotionally...otherwise she wouldn't react like that. She is still under the impression that it pointed to Jack when Will showed up. It doesn't matter where the compass pointed in that scene, what's interesting is that Elizabeth THINKS it does. Also it pointed to the chest, Not Will....

Now what i never understood was how did the compass turn and point to Liz sitting on the sand when it was on the sand and no one was holding it? Please someone explain!!!!

I think it was still showing what Liz wanted most since she was the last person to hold it.

The compass points to what you want IN THE WORLD. THE ENTIRE WORLD, Will can't be in outerspace.

She wanted Jack.

okay so she wants jack but she wants will too man her inner turmoil must be hard to deal with

1.) The writers don't agree on some points about the compass, true, but the general consensus is that the compass was pointing to the chest the entire beach scene.

2.) The compass is what you WANT most, but it doesn't clarify the WHY of the matter. Elizabeth could in fact be misinterperating what the compass is meaning.

3.) The Waffle Comment seems to say to me that Elizabeth wants Will (the feast) but Jack caught her eye briefly (the interesting waffle). The last bit of the comment "Does that make you a bad person?" (not the exact quote, btw), seems to indicate that yes, Elizabeth was tempted by the waffle, but the feast is probably what she wants.

4.) The compass points at what you want most in the world at that exact moment, which means that at the moment, Elizabeth wanted Jack...but as I said, that does not mean that she WANTS Jack. She may believe that is the case, because she was feeling attracted to him (who wouldn't?!), but that does not mean that she actually LOVES him.

5.) I'm not denying that J/E couldn't happen. I just find that it is unlikely to happen. It's just an opinion, but that's how it seems to me. I think W/E is much more likely to occur.

I want a Norrington/Elizabeth wedding.

I want a Norrington/Elizabeth wedding.

Yea right, admit it. You are a WE shipper.
There's more possibilities of the dog and the monkey getting together than L/N and W/E

As a psychology major, I have to defend the point that it doesn't matter where it's really pointing nearly as much as where Liz THNKS it's pointing. If she had no feelings for him, she would shrug off the compass pointing to him and think it was pointing to the chest and Jack was just in the way. The mere fact that she thinks it's pointing to him suggests she's struggling with her feelings for him and does want him the most.
But I also have to agree that Liz doesn't love Jack...at least not yet. I think Jack's fallen to be honest. I really don't see how lust could overpower the desire for survival. The only thing that can do that is love. This doesn't mean they'll sail away in the sunset, but I think that doesn't change the fact that Jack Sparrow has finally fallen in love.
Liz isn't there yet because now she's going to be with Will for a considerable amount of time and now she can make realistic, complex comparisons. She and Will on their mission to rescue Jack, will be pirates together because my guess is they'll have to do some pretty illegal and dangerous stuff. If it's just the pirate she's attracted to, she will still choose Will because he can be a pirate if the situation calls for it. If she's attracted to the man and those feelings are developing into love, she will choose Jack.

I'm not W/E. Sorry, Misty. I am consistently N/E. I just argue W/E because they are the logical ending for the ships. *shrug*

I'm just curious, surreal, not trying to dissuade you or encourage you, why are you N/E? I'm just confused on why you think they make the best couple, better than W/E or J/E.

Originally posted by Mistypirate
Yea right, admit it. You are a WE shipper.
There's more possibilities of the dog and the monkey getting together than L/N and W/E

WHy do you say that? I can understand that there are pretty much no possibilities for a N/E ending since we know that Liz never cared for Norrington...It was an arranged marriage. But why no possible chance for W/E?

Originally posted by Pirates life fo
WHy do you say that? I can understand that there are pretty much no possibilities for a N/E ending since we know that Liz never cared for Norrington...It was an arranged marriage. But why no possible chance for W/E?

Ok look, I don't even see a chance for the J/E pairing. But there are billions of hints in DMC that would suggest otherwise. If WE end up together IMO is going to be because of Liz's loyalty towards Will.

There are a few hints yes. I just rewatched the movie and was paying particular attention to the relationships. Everything Liz does in that movie is to save WIll. Does she fall for Jack? Sure she does. Does it mean she will end up with Jack? Not at all. Does it mean that she will end up with Will? Not at all. She may realize that her true love is the sea and she wants to become a Pirate and a man at this point would just get in the way of that dream.

True enough I believe the same, I'm a J/L shipper I would be disappointed if they don't end up together. But my mind is open to other possibilities. I don't expect the movie to have a J/L ending, it would be nice for us, but I don't think its going to happen. Elizabeth had always dreamed about being a Pirate, so I totally expect this to happen. I'm just trying to let you know that I am open to other possibilities. I don't know about other J/E shippers, but this is what I believe.

i totally 100% agree with you. i am j/l shipper and yea there is a possibility they will be together but im not going all hopes on that but her ending up with will is becuz of her loyalty she doesn't want to hurt him and i have to agree with sureal on this i would rather have norrington with her then Will. In COTBP i felt bad for norrington that she chose the eunich over him but if that were jack i would think otherwise but still j/l will always be together even though they are not together lol I dont think elizabeth will ever become a man but she does love the sea but mainly becuz it means freedom no corsets or fancy anything. I think liz wants more then just bloddy Will and jack can give her that.