I didn't mean that he was flat in the first movie. He just wasn't given a lot of development or screen time. I thought he was fantastic in the last scene. What I meant to say was that DMC really expanded him and fleshed him out a little more, show us his villainous side.
Actually, they showed us everyone's villainous side.
Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest (Where Everyone Goes a Little Evil)
No offence but how can you feel so strongly abot WE and not JE when Jack and Liz and the hottest kiss in history and then Liz hardly acknwledges Will afterwards. If they have j=such a great love then why did she kiss Jaclk? she could have done somehitng else, and why did she enjoy it so much? sure he could just be a great kisser but she still didnt have to kiss him. and she doenst even tell the man she is gonna marry or WAS gonna marry...u call that trust...i mean marriage is all based on trust and love...they have hardly any of that...sure theryve known each other forever but they have nothing in common and dontnhave a romantic connection
Well, I could debate the whole kiss, but it never sinks in anyway, so I won't. I'll just ask this:
Which is more of an issue of trust? Shackling a man to his death, or kissing someone other than your fiance?
I don't even care about the why's of the matter; which one do you think is more of a problem in a relationship?
I think Liz would have kissed Jack in movie 1 if she had to (terry and ted kinda suggest that in the commentary)..when she thinks Will is not watching she doesn't seem to care
and I would say that the actual shakling a man to his death is the biggest issue of trust when it comes to W/E not the actual kiss itself.
and I'm not saying this is an issue of trust because its morally wrong to do this to a man.
so that guilt she's feeling has nothing to do with that IMO..the guilt is for killing someone she may indeed love..It reveals to her that she uses jack's good nature against him..and I dont think she can bare to think about that because if there was one thing she could ever possibly love about Jack Sparrow. Its his honest nature.
She has just killed Jack and everyone is talking about how much of an honest good man Jack Sparrow is, and how the world is less bright because he (the good man) is now gone. In that last scene and its hitting her like a ton of bricks i think
..Jack the honest man is what makes her world bright IMO..hence the fact we get that huge halo of light burst through once he comes back on the pearl and its from her PoV..the honest man won through and it made her feelings escalate (not saying its love though)
Interesting thought, but I dunno. It's sort of a toss up on how Liz could get either man to trust her again.
Maybe that's what TnT meant when they said that the choice wouldn't be entirely up to Elizabeth; it's very possible that one or both of the men reject her in the movie. 😄 Woot, that would be fun.
lol I hope so..she's gettin on my nerves a little but as a character lately. I've been openly swearing about her on the board and Will too..which I feel bad about now..because i like them both really..deep down...kinda 😂
but if there is any visible joint choice made in DMC..it would kinda be the one at the end where Will sees how important this appears to be to Elizabeth..that Jack the good man is gone from her life..and he kinda lets her follow what "appears" to be her heart because he loves her enough and he also loves his father and is now tied to him...in a way (imagining we dont know anything about AWE)
You know what. By the end of this I really dont want any shippers to be unhappy.
I dont want W/E shippers to feel bad and upset, or J/E shippers to feel bad and upset
I just get the feeling that no matter how T&T write this..its gonna end up tragic for the passionate supporters of W/E or J/E..or N/E
I suspect that it will be Jack stepping back in AWE as well. There are people who are made for each other, and then there are people you are attracted to...I have a feeling J/E fall into that latter category, whereas W/E are meant to be together. It's just that feeling I have, and I could be wrong. 😄
What I want to see is that Jack realizes that he's a good man, but that he doesn't need anyone to tell him that he is. Self-acceptance and all that good stuff.
My brain is mush. How can I explain this? It's not that I think J/E are bad together, I just don't think they are....that they are 'right' for each other, even with all their similarities.
Too tired to post anything else on this now. Maybe later I'll get around to it. 😄
"What I want to see is that Jack realizes that he's a good man, but that he doesn't need anyone to tell him that he is. Self-acceptance and all that good stuff." ------surreal
TOTALLY AGREE
"My brain is mush. How can I explain this? It's not that I think J/E are bad together, I just don't think they are....that they are 'right' for each other, even with all their similarities. " ------surreal
TOTALLY DONT AGREE!
i just have to agree with whoever decided Elizabeth has some issues to sort out.
i dont hate her--- but let's face it, she's worked herself into a little corner and she's going to have to pull some really heroic and noble and selfless actions out of her pocket to bring her character back to a place of likeability... and back to a place where it WOULD be a satisfying ending for her to end up living happily ever after with any of the man choices. 🙂
I can undersand where you are coming from. To be honest I cant really say anything that suggests W/E are wrong for eachother..I can only guess where things might head because of development. the one thing that suggests where the couple can go wrong is following what will ultimately be most important to them by the end of it all
With Jack. I think its something that Elizbaeth doesnt quite know how to handle yet. She knows there are feelings for him but she's just not sure what the heck to do when it comes to Jack it seems. She cares for him and not just on a lust level of a friendhip level.
I think Jack is rather ahead of her in terms of understanding her...They are eachothers shape-shifters me thinks