Originally posted by Wally West
You are assuming the team has a plan and all immediately know to protect Doom, but there is no prep. Thanos could just blast the lot of them as soon as the fight starts and send most of these guys to the other side of the planet, except perhaps Juggernaut. And correct me if I'm wrong here, but I don't think Doom has used that power against a non-human before, and has not used it on an Eternal so theres no gurantee it would even work. I don't think anyone is getting at Thanos' mind unless he lets them. And like I've said, Thanos knows everything about Doom, as soon as the fight starts what is to stop Thanos shutting down Doom's mind?
Doom has so strong will that Thanos wouldn't shut his mind that easily. Has Thanos ever shut down anyone's mind on panel?
And planning is allowed according to the forum rules. Good points regardless, I like your posts.
Originally posted by Tshern
Why wouldn't it work on a non-human if the damn Ovoids are using it? I don't think the Ovoids are common people from Alabama either.Doom has so strong will that Thanos wouldn't shut his mind that easily. Has Thanos ever shut down anyone's mind on panel?
And planning is allowed according to the forum rules. Good points regardless, I like your posts.
Thanos has beaten Moondragon in a mindwar, so his will and mind aren't easy to overcome either, even if Doom's power worked, I doubt it would be instantanious.
And he shut down the Maker's mind (aka the Beyonder):
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and was over, "Just like that".
I assumed there was no planning as the first post said there was no prep.
Originally posted by golem370
Doom is not Thanos. Thanos is smarter stronger more durable and more powerful
I'm not even arguing that the team wins a majority. I'm simply throwing in some food for thought. The team definitely has the powersets that can take Thanos down when used wisely and this team has the wits to use them smartly. Yet many don't want to give them a chance which in my opinion is disregarding their capabilities.
And he shut down the Maker's mind (aka the Beyonder)
Nice scans, Wally. From the Annihilation, I presume. And apparently an issue I'm planning on buying tomorrow, luckily it didn't spoil too much.
Anyways, he seems to drop a person on the ground without killing him. Doom's will power is amazing, I think he'd stay up longer. This is purely hypothetical, but I recall he also has some protections against telepathy in his armour...
Originally posted by TshernActually its from Thanos' own series out a couple of years ago, so it hasn't spoiled Annihilation for you. Its collected in Thanos: Samaritan, which is pretty cool, check it out if you can.
Nice scans, Wally. From the Annihilation, I presume. And apparently an issue I'm planning on buying tomorrow, luckily it didn't spoil too much.Anyways, he seems to drop a person on the ground without killing him. Doom's will power is amazing, I think he'd stay up longer. This is purely hypothetical, but I recall he also has some protections against telepathy in his armour...
His intention was to keep her alive but effectively make her brain dead, which is why she is still breathing, as he said that was the only way to ensure the real Beyonder never returned, by keeping him prisoner within the mortal shell.
Originally posted by Wally West
Actually its from Thanos' own series out a couple of years ago, so it hasn't spoiled Annihilation for you. Its collected in Thanos: Samaritan, which is pretty cool, check it out if you can.His intention was to keep her alive but effectively make her brain dead, which is why she is still breathing, as he said that was the only way to ensure the real Beyonder never returned, by keeping him prisoner within the mortal shell.
Okay, Thanos made him braindead. Then I'm moving to my next argument to protect Doom's mind (I jump over the willpower and the speculation concerning his armour, unless someone confirms my claim).
Batdude and someone else established a claim that Magneto has such a high resistance against telepathy because of electromagnetic currencies and his willpower. Couldn't he protect Doom with these currencies and combine that protection with Doom's appaling power of will? It's only speculation again, though.
And shutting down Doom's mind would give other team members chance to attack. I don't think Thanos can ignore Juggernaut forever and he can't really hurt Juggs either... Then we still have Absorbing Man, Maggs and all the rest.
Originally posted by HorrificusThere is no prep.
Doom waits and watches as Thanos battles, who he thinks are his most serious threats. While this is happening, Doom binds Thanos, drains Thanos or shunts Thanos to a dimension where is can die, or be destroyed.
However it happens, the man that defeated the Beyonder, ends up defeating Thanos.
Also, I guess I need to read Secret Wars again, since there are people saying he beat him, and there are people saying Beyonder beat Doom.
So basically, Doom isn't taking his power.
Originally posted by TshernHow would Magneto be able to effeciently protect himself and Doom?
Batdude and someone else established a claim that Magneto has such a high resistance against telepathy because of electromagnetic currencies and his willpower. Couldn't he protect Doom with these currencies and combine that protection with Doom's appaling power of will? It's only speculation again, though.And shutting down Doom's mind would give other team members chance to attack. I don't think Thanos can ignore Juggernaut forever and he can't really hurt Juggs either... Then we still have Absorbing Man, Maggs and all the rest.
Also, Juggs is going to have to take down his shield.
Plus, what exactly is he going to do to hurt Thanos?
Thanos can hurt Juggs.
Take off his helmet, and Juggs is a gonner.
Is this really going to distract him?
I mean, he still has his shields up, that Galactus had to exert force to pierce them. Omega fired off a massive blast, and Thanos was still alive because of his shields. Fallen One tried to attack him, and Thanos put him down with a wall. Thor tried to throw his hammer through it, and his hammer stopped dead, then hit the ground.
How would Absorbing Man defend against getting turned into stone...
Thanos could scramble the brains of a few of these guys and have them become his thralls (like he did with the Fallen One, it only took him a few seconds to do), then turn them against the rest of the villains. He could do that with Abomination and Absorbing Man and the team would have their hands full with them alone.
In Infinity Gauntlet he turns Wolverine's adamantium into rubber, he could probably do that to Ultron (I know he was using the power gem at the time but he has shown matter manipulation before, and none of the powers he used in that power gem fight were things we haven't really seen from him before).
He could trap Magneto and Doom's heads inside blocks of pure force and suffocate them.
Theres lots if ways he could beat most of these guys.
Originally posted by Wally West
Theres lots if ways he could beat most of these guys.
It won't be a question of "Can Thanos beat them ?" but "Can Thanos survive it ?"
A well written Juggernaut alone will be a good challenge for Thanos. Magneto : same thing. Throw in Apocalypse, Sinister, Absorbing Man, Doom, Ultron, Abomination... I almost feel sorry for Thanos.
Yes he has, but its not like hes Silver Surfer class he is, and it takes at least a herald level character to challenge Thanos.
He can survive planet destroying blasts and hardly be damaged, these guys won't be able to bring him down, and like I said earlier, he could mess with their minds and make them his thralls, thus evening the numbers.
Originally posted by Wally West
Yes he has, but its not like hes Silver Surfer class he is, and it takes at least a herald level character to challenge Thanos.
He can survive planet destroying blasts and hardly be damaged
Thanos is to smart to just rely on brute strength and force if he had to fight Juggernaut, I've suggested in the past on that fight that he could turn Juggernaut's helmet into a different materal with matter manipulation and attack his mind, or just drain Cain's lifeforce away. He could remove him from the battlefield but I think it was said thats not allowed here.
Originally posted by Wally West
Thanos is to smart to just rely on brute strength and force if he had to fight Juggernaut, I've suggested in the past on that fight that he could turn Juggernaut's helmet into a different materal with matter manipulation and attack his mind, or just drain Cain's lifeforce away. He could remove him from the battlefield but I think it was said thats not allowed here.
Are you sure ? Cyttorak >>> Thanos. That forcefield is a real pain in the ass. It makes Juggernaut even more durable than Thanos.
