Originally posted by Minie Mina
Oh, God.Surreal, please.
Go away. Damn, if you got nothing else to say but to debate just walk away. Before AWE came out, I always passed by at the Willabeth thread over at KTTC and I only said nice things. I enjoyed their company and they always welcomed me. I never came there to ruin their atmosphere and their moment.
If you want to keep this in a mutual understanding, which I doubt since you LIVE to debate, go post somewhere else.
You may think that there is nothing else to Ship because Willabeth won. But there is a lot more to discuss and Willabeth did not win, no matter what the movie showed.
This is a Sparrabeth thread where there is a Sparrabeth atmosphere with Sparrabethers. This isn't a debate thread. This is about enjoying them, seeing them together, discuss theories from a Sparrabether's point of view, share pictures and whatever. It is clear that you just cannot stand Sparrabeth. Erm, you showed that in every single post that you have made ever since you came in here. And another thing, we are not interested in your slash, gay men fantasies. So also take that with you else where.
I'm so fed up. I cannot even work on a simple story/fic with you. I was feeling guilty all this time thinking that it was me. That I was feeling selfish. Well, it's not me. It's you. And this is one of the reasons why I have to drag myself to come in KMC and say hello to my friends. Because you just keep nagging and debating and nagging and debating. Get yourself some help. Enough is enough. You can't change every one's minds and I certainly can't change your mind. I know friends who are Willabethers but are not such a heavy weight on my shoulders and such a burden. And they certainly don't even attempt to mess with my ship because I don't mess with theirs
All I'm saying is that if you don't have nothing NICE to say and you don't feel like sharing any thing special with J/E, then bite your tongue and walk away. Just make you that you don't die from the venom.
Another thing, we're not offending the writers. There are some things that I can't understand why they wrote it that way or why was it this way. I respect them but I'm NOT A SUCK UP. I'm not their lawyer either defending their rights. There are some things that I don't agree with the cast, it's only natural because I'm human and each person has a mind of it's own.
Hoo-Ray for Mina, well said, mate....I say we just ignore Surreal's posts from now on..cuz we are not here to argue...we are here to celebrate jack and elizabeth....so....Surreal's posts mean nothing, really....
here, let's celebrate Sparrabeth....
when Jack opens up and shares his innermost feelings about the Pearl with Elizabeth on rum runner's island...ahh..the good old days...
*sigh* After seeing the movie for a second time last night, I can say I loved the interaction, although bittersweet, between Liz and Jack at the end. He wiggles his fingers in his "Jack" manner and he backs off and says, "Once was quite enough" when she goes in for a final kiss- but even better than that, she looks at him with love and says, "Thank you." The smile- that sexy little grin- he bestows on her just then is AWESOME.
I really do love that she thanks him; he did everything for her!
He he he- I just found some dry roasted peanuts in the cabinet, and I took them out for a snack. My husband came home, sat down and exclaimed, "peanuts!" He looked at me like a nut when I laughed.
Originally posted by lovethemtigers
Well if she didn't love him before...she must love him now....look what all he did for her...
I am in tears....Jack sacrificed everything for Elizabeth..and why, because he loved her and he loved Will.....despite everything...Jack is a good man...
I loved the parachute scene and the goodbye scene...but they were smiling, in a bittersweet sort of way....i wish there would have been an exchange where they would have said something like...another time, another place....had things been differently, then perhaps there could have been an "us"....
but what seems weird to me.....okay, DMC ends with the kiss, we get all that flirting...all those insuated lines.....and then nothing in AWE...I just don't understand why it wasn't addressed at all....
did i miss it...but in the movie i didn't see that part at the brethern court when liz says "won't you ever forgive me?" and jack says "no"...did i miss it????? I don't recall seeing it, was it cut???
we go from all that flirting....and sexy kiss...to cold turkey in AWE....I just felt like something was missing...like things were not addressed...we needed a private conversation, a private moment between jack and liz...the movie just didn't connect to DMC.....
Oh, and POTC is on right now on USA channel...
I kind of liked the "won't you forgive me" exchange was cut. It made Jack seem like he was actually severing their friendship when the reality was that they were both trying to get it back. It just made him seem too bitter (even though he had a right to be). Without it, it really made it seem like water over (or is it under?) the bridge.
so, on the ride home, my hubby says to me "It seems kind of sad that Elizabeth has to wait for 10 years...for jsut one day, somethings not right about that."...
then i said, "I know that's what me and my friends say on the forum..we were just hoping Will would make a sacrifice..just as Jack sacrificed everything for him"...
and he was like "what do you mean?"
"that will would set Elizabeth free, release her from her vows..because after all Jack did, it's obvious he loved Elizabeth"
he said "you mean so that jack and elizabeth can be together?....that's not right, I wouldn't have liked that"
then we proceeded to have a heated discussion about it...i could not believe it ...but he actually blames Jack for Will's death, he said that jack hesitated in stabbing the heart..he said Jack was a coward and was just bluffing about stabbing the heart...he said Jack was scared to death to stab the heart and if he had stabbed it instead of hesitating Will would still be alive....arrrrrrgggghhhh...
He made me so angry...I kept telling him he didn't understand the movie or Jack at alll....
cus he's only seen each movie only once...so what does he know...
and plus that was just plain jealousy coming out...cuz he knows how obsessed i've been with Pirates, Jack and Johnny...so he'd say anything to make him look bad in my eyes...
but it ain't gonna work..cuz i know the truth about Jack...
Wow- I did not realize Liz is supposed to keep up her title of Pirate King, and raises Will Jr. on Shipwreck Cove. Interesting...
What about Will deciding it would be best to cut Lizzie free because he loves her so much that he can't stand to see her alone forever? In the book I'm writing, my pirate captain is immortal until he breaks a curse (yeah I know- already been done) but he refuses to love because every woman he gives his heart to dies before his eyes. He must watch his love grow old and die while he is the one left to suffer the loss and heartache. Maybe Will decides to offer Liz the chance to escape her vows- I mean, it was mentioned before- It is one of those, "Hey this is not what I signed up for" situations. She did not marry him with the knowledge he would "die" and be reborn immortal, only to be torn from her for decades at a time. Maybe Will will have enough love for her to let her go free...
But...that's what I don't understand....DMC and the entire plot of that movie was about how everything that happened between jack and lizzy led up to the kiss of death...and then there was no mention of it...except of few comments...i just don't get it......
and what about the mark Jack left on Beckett.....
and I just realized...the scene on the island strip when the three of them are approaching the other three...we don't get this clip...
awweeeee..... i just feel like crying.....on the USA channel they are showing POTC and it's on the scene right now when Jack and Lizzy are singing the Pirate song and he is describing to her what the Pearl is...what the black pearl really is...is freedom...jack, must be really terrible for you to be trapped here on this island......but the company is infinetly better than the last time, the scenery is ....
captain sparrow i don't think i've had enough rum for that kind of talk...
"to freedom"....
i know...that entire last scene on the Black Pearl at the end of DMC makes me want to cry..."we're not free yet, love"
"you came back, I always knew you were a good man"......
"this is the only way, don't you see..."
"I'm not sorry"
"Pirate"
OMG...my heart feels like it's being ripped from my body.....
Why oh why couldn't will have set Elizabeth free.....Elizabeth has always longed for Freedom...why would she want to stay on that Island for 10 years.....for just one day....
I think that's my favorite scene of the whole series. I love when they're on that island together. It's so raunchy and yet so innocent. They're just kicking back talking. I know Liz is tricking him, but she also seems to be taking him in as a person. Before, he was a name and a persona and now she's gotten a glimpse at the actual guy. I wish peas in a pod was left in because she acknowledges the growth in their relationship from pretty much strangers to now having an understanding. It's just such a peaceful moment and they're having fun. They won't have a moment like that again until the next movie.