Kinda OT, but I wanted to let everybody know that I made a new LJ community called "Sparrabeth_Seas: The Sparrabeth Awards" - a comm. that gives out awards to the winning fanfiction nominated for a specific category.
Check it out: http://community.livejournal.com/sparrabeth_sea/
There is more info about nomination, voting, winning etc. on the User Info page 😄
Also, any of you talented banner makers are interested in a new project, I'm looking for somebody to make the award prize banners 😉
Yes no Deleted Scenes in AWE!!! Unfortunately!!! I swear I smell serious conspiracy!!! How is it that a lot of the stuff takin out in all 3 movies had to do with Sparrabeth? Its obvious that the writers had a lot more Sparrabeth Intentions!!! They kept on putting those scenes in but somewhere along the line someone kept takin them out!!! grrrr 😠
I swear i stayed up once again til 6 in the morning this morning and i finished "So Much to Learn" OMG that story is soooooo good!!! I Love it!!! U were right Tee, there was a lot more Sparrabethy goodness!!!!! I swear I Loved Sparrabeth b4 but I accepted Willabeth at the end of AWE....but reading "So Much to Learn" , "The Flying Dutchman", and "Savarna" on fanfiction.net have totally convinced me that AWE's ending was WRONG!!! It should have been Sparrabeth!!! They just seem so right for each other!!! The Sparrabeth Fics just make so much more sense are so much more captivating!!!
Seriously I find myself wondering Lately if there is a man out there like Jack Sparrow that I can have!! She is one lucky girl!!! No really she is!!!
Ooh, yes there is TONS of sparrabeth fanfic - and many of them saved me from fictional post-awe depression -lol.
(beware self-pimpage here) I've got a fic: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3618162/1/A_Pirates_Heart
self-pimpage lol! i will be sure to check it out! well i don't know...i think it would just depress me more because it's all 'if onlys' and 'what could have been'...but then again in some ways it's slightly more romantic because it's forbidden lust, the special connection with the beautiful stranger (im listenin to madonna lol!!!) and what not. I shall start reading them though...im a bit of a book worm lol i'll probably come to love the fan fiction anyway...i have no self control!
no deleted scenes? bogus. that clinches it-- i wont be buying the dvd.
for extremely funny but not-quite-fanfic experience, check out our forum's project of the translation of the first two films! (we are still working on film 3)... they should be on willo's site. and we also did multiple fanfics of what we thought awe, and then pirates 4 should look like... if you could dig them up on here. haha.
Wow, it's been a busy week in my life and i haven't been on here and so many old friends have returned...
PirateDiva..."So Much To Learn" is fantastic...I'm glad you stuck with it...
I miss Sparrabeth...I miss all of our optimism...I miss Jack and Lizzy..I miss Jack Sparrow...I miss our great discussions..
Originally posted by lovethemtigersI miss Sparrabeth...I miss all of our optimism...I miss Jack and Lizzy..I miss Jack Sparrow...I miss our great discussions..
I dunno brittany. hi!
I miss your speculations guys, i loved reading them! made me feel so great about sparrabeth!
hi kate, willo, people who have returned, thank goodness you guys are still alive!
so... what's up?
hmmm... i tried to watch dmc the other day and had to turn it off... it felt so empty and depressing, knowing what was ahead for all the characters... sigh...
haha. um, looking around for script bits of awe so willo and company can do more translations, which seem a good way to be happy on the forum.
lovethemtigers, i miss all that too. all we need is a new trilogy of some sort to start so we can get excited about that... haha. remember back in the day of fierce debating? good times.
when i watch DMC, i try not to think that what would and have happened is going to happen... i make up my own story where they'd live happily ever after(yuck, too cheesy) and all that jazz.
messing around in the weird random threads help too... those awe diaries, and what they'd and we'd never say, and those other stuff... ooh.. the translations! been so long since i checked em out...
fierce debating, i wasn't around then yet(as much as... now) i guess, but before AWE things were pretty tight, and your debates are great, i had fun reading them!
who knows, maybe a new trilogy is on it's way.... 😉
I still find DMC a good movie. I know some people who were fans of the first movie that didn't like DMC because it wandered into the supernatural. All I could think of was, "The undead pirates in the first movie then was something normal?" Oh well.
The trilogy itself is really a great example of movie-making but all three movies do have their weaknesses, and when you're doing an action/epic, weaknesses just seem extra glaring.
COTBP: Technically speaking, this is probably the best of the three. It's a tight plot with just enough explanation that the audience gets what's going on, but has to pay attention to get the rest. The characters are brand new to us, but every single one of them resists becoming a cliche, even Will.
Its weakness, though, is probably a lack of depth. For an action movie, it really takes its time with the characters and we know a little bit about them, but as far as I was concerned, Jack was still a mystery to me by the end of it and I had no idea why Will and Liz got together so quickly.
DMC: I like this movie. They branched out, made every little thing from COTBP bigger and more complex. Its ambitious and I respect the fact they wanted to make the second act of a play rather than just another sequel.
BUT, DMC has a very loose plot. That is its weakness. It is so bent on making sure we understand (or think we understand) what's going on in our characters' heads they didn't make as tight a story.
By AWE, AWE is sloppy. I liked AWE, thought it was a nice close. They made some interesting decisions, but so much was just not dealt with or left unexplained. It's good for the most part and there are some scenes that I absolutely adore, but the editing is sloppy and I blame the fact that they had so much to resolve on why a few things and people just got left out.
Originally posted by willofthewisp
I still find DMC a good movie. I know some people who were fans of the first movie that didn't like DMC because it wandered into the supernatural. All I could think of was, "The undead pirates in the first movie then was something normal?" Oh well.The trilogy itself is really a great example of movie-making but all three movies do have their weaknesses, and when you're doing an action/epic, weaknesses just seem extra glaring.
COTBP: Technically speaking, this is probably the best of the three. It's a tight plot with just enough explanation that the audience gets what's going on, but has to pay attention to get the rest. The characters are brand new to us, but every single one of them resists becoming a cliche, even Will.
Its weakness, though, is probably a lack of depth. For an action movie, it really takes its time with the characters and we know a little bit about them, but as far as I was concerned, Jack was still a mystery to me by the end of it and I had no idea why Will and Liz got together so quickly.DMC: I like this movie. They branched out, made every little thing from COTBP bigger and more complex. Its ambitious and I respect the fact they wanted to make the second act of a play rather than just another sequel.
BUT, DMC has a very loose plot. That is its weakness. It is so bent on making sure we understand (or think we understand) what's going on in our characters' heads they didn't make as tight a story.By AWE, AWE is sloppy. I liked AWE, thought it was a nice close. They made some interesting decisions, but so much was just not dealt with or left unexplained. It's good for the most part and there are some scenes that I absolutely adore, but the editing is sloppy and I blame the fact that they had so much to resolve on why a few things and people just got left out.
you've got that right!
I wanna expand a little on all that, but i'm too tired to type them all up, even though a lot has already started to clutter in my head.
so, maybe tomorrow, or monday or something.. >.<
Oh I totally agree willo...COTBP was the best movie EVER! Other than the fact that it was amazing...both the characters and the plot. It was so original...a new genre all together...surprise performances COUGHjohnnyCOUGH and memorable lines. If anyones asks me which movie was the best I'd say COTBP and if they asked me which movie I LIKED best I'd say DMC...not only because of Sparrabeth but because I'm a character-obsessed person. (the plot in DMC was nice but a willo said a bit 'loose' compared to COTBP)
I could watch a movie that was all about character developement and had no plot (some people call that a lousy romance movie) and be satisfied.
I tend to agree, tee, that character is more important than story. There are only a few different kinds of plots, but every single individual is different and it's the characters that make a story original. COTBP, talk about original. I would say too that COTBP is the best one and that I get most enjoyment out of DMC. I like AWE, but most of what I like about it are the character moments.
I LOVE all the tension before they find Jack. Absolutely fun and intense
Multiple Jacks? His version of hell is being trapped with himself? Oh, as a psychology major, I got a huge kick out of dissecting Jack Sparrow when it was just him.
The guns pointed at each other? Awesome.
Will's time to shine whilst having tea with Beckett and Davy. I was so proud of him.
Sorry, but I really like Sao/Liz's interaction. Had he lived he would have thrown an interesting wrench into things. He was so interesting. I was sorry to see him go.
Same is true of James. Sigh. He was a good man.
PARLAY! That is my favorite part. It's so good. Every single person there is thinking something a little different. It's a standoff, but full of negotiation and manipulation. If you think for one moment our trio is not coming together and working beautifully together, you haven't seen the films because you would know that they're much stronger together than they are apart. Barbossa and the villains really shine here, too. This is just about the most perfect thing about AWE at all.
Originally posted by willofthewisp
PARLAY! That is my favorite part. It's so good. Every single person there is thinking something a little different. It's a standoff, but full of negotiation and manipulation. If you think for one moment our trio is not coming together and working beautifully together, you haven't seen the films because you would know that they're much stronger together than they are apart. Barbossa and the villains really shine here, too. This is just about the most perfect thing about AWE at all.
Not to mention that the music chosen for the scene (the westren sounding one-Parley) was totally PERFECT for it!!! I Absolutely love this scene too!!!
Originally posted by willofthewisp
IThe trilogy itself is really a great example of movie-making but all three movies do have their weaknesses, and when you're doing an action/epic, weaknesses just seem extra glaring.
I think every movie has their fair share of strengths and weaknesses. For the POTC trilogy, CotBP was interesting as there had never been a pirate movie for the longest time. The idea seemed so outdated for people weaned on sci-fi action movies. But the success of Lord of the Rings trilogy proved to Disney that the time was right where people didn't mind a bit of fantasy in action movies. CotBP was good becos' of a tight plot and the way Johnny Depp interpreted his role.
DMC and AWE were filmed together with one script (I think) which is why DMC's plot seemed rather weak as it was leading into the climax in AWE. As for character development, DMC fleshed out what we saw in CoTBP and became an uncharacteristic Disney film, largely becos' of Sparrabeth. How can a lady of a certain social standing entertain thoughts of being with a pirate or want to be a pirate? How can a pirate be noble and honourable? Can pirates ever be heroes? These questions were raised in DMC. That's why I love DMC, not just becos' of the chemistry between Jack and Liz.
And you're absolutely right. AWE was weak due to sloppy editing that led to a lot of unresolved character issues. I didn't like the multiple Jack angle being repeated throughtout the movie. It should've stayed in DJ's locker. More time should've been spent to resolve Jack and Liz's relationship. I felt so short-changed by AWE becos' of this. Plot-wise, it was just as bad as DMC. I was looking forward to the Calypso/DJ resolution but nothing happened. And everything was back to square one for Jack like in the beginning of CotBP. AWE is the weakest of the trilogy, IMO.
Now, I really want to have POTC 4 to resolve everything.
yeah i also wanted resolutions between calypso and dj, i also too hated the mulitple jacks. what i hate is how you always get people saying but there IS resolution if you look at this scene or look a little deeper blah blah blah!
i spent so much time looking deeper at liz and jacks relationship, only for it to backfire, that i have really started to pick out the faults in AWE. plus i feel like a fool for believeing that there was something there...i KNEW it wasn't going to end with sparrabeth but still a lil acknowledgement would have been nice! its like jack is a victim of unrequited love! 🙁
i know this has all been said before and im sorry but i wanted my own rant! lol
lovely rant and frustration isn't any fun--Jack isn't a victim if he is indeed the Sparrabeth y'all all say he is. Take what you can and give nothing back. Isn't that what he did? I have kinda thought the Jack held back, released his claim on Elisabeth rift was a not clear trail. However, following Take what...maybe he did.
Jack has a code he lives by and I can see him pirating, plundering, pillaging, stealing, commandering, fooling, manipulating--but I do not ever believe he would take a woman against her will. Jack gets into situations, he has a dedicated idea about what he craves as an outcome. Does he always accomplish his goal? Hardly and he knows that. So he seeks Elisabeth as a partner and it doesn't pan out. He could have acted the spoiled two year old and created a conflict or he could have picked up his marbles and gone on. I see Jack as a man in control of his destiny--an intelligent man with a (sometimes skewed) sense of honor. Do you remember what he told the pirates in CotBP, Barbossa's men who came into the jail? That line was said with such devotion and malice.
I understand-I want what I want when I want it--just doesn't make it so for the pirates as I see 'em.