Great Evil Beast vs. Living Tribunal, THOTU and Phoenix Force

MM, although I don't agree with your descriptions and designations of all those dimensions, I do agree with what you were doing.
Exactly my point.
For the sake of discussion within these threads, (and our own peace of mind), we should have a common understanding of the structure of the Omniverse, and all "Realms" within.

I like the idea of using the term "Realm" as an umbrella statement that covers all types of Localized Existence. The properties of a Realm usually have no impact, relation or significance to any other Realm. In other words, as we all know, if you slip into a pocket dimension, although, from inside, it COULD seem to be the size of an entire Universe, it is still, technically, WITHIN it's Core Universe. And, from outside, could seem relatively minute. It could be considered a type of
Tesseract.

Please note that most of these terms are recognized in the sciences. A "Realm" can be a/an:

1. Omniverse- Containing Multiverses.
2. Multiverse- Containing Universes.
3. Universe- Containing Galaxies and Known Space from within it's
Universal Boundry. Also, possibly containing, in some
manner, other Dimensions, Microverses and Realms.
4. Timeline Divergent- Omniverse, Multiverse, Universe.
5. Miniverse- A Single Universe as a Core with All connected Pocket
Dimensions, Microverses, Subdimensions and
SubMicroverses spaning from each larger Realm.
6. Dimension- A Realm that is somehow connected to the Core
Universe. Can be Mystic or Physical in nature.
examples (Cyttorak's Realm and Negative Zone)
Each of these can Spawn, View or Lead To other Realms
7. Microverse- Technically, just a different Dimension, spawned from
the Core. Tesseract, or version of? Contained in
the "Inner Space" of a Core Universe.

If I am within the Negative Zone, observing the Birth of a Universe, I am standing:

1. In a Realm that is an Offshoot or Pocket Dimension
who's Core Universe is the 616.
2. Either, looking at the birth of a Universe within the Negative Zone
because it's physical laws and size and dimensions allow
for "Universes" to exist within it. Or, possibly looking through a
Portal at an entirely separate Core Universe, Pocket Universe,
Multiverse, etc.
But, if it is a universe within the Negative Zone, it is still a
SubUniverse contained within the Core.

The point to being a separate Dimension, Universe, Reality, etc, is that it's physical and mystic laws may have nothing in common with the Core.
A Different Dimension can have Different Dimensions, (meaning properties). Cyttorak's realm may seem to be a small pocket dimension. Yet, once within, it may be literally "Endless".

Miniverse -10 -9 -8 -7 -6 -5 -4 -3 -2 -1 Core 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Multiverse

616 is a Core Universe, but there are an infinite number of others in the Multiverse.

Now, maybe it is easier to see why Mathematicians and Physicists drive themselves crazy with this stuff. And, why writers may make mistakes when using it in stories.

I am sorry to you people. I didn't mean to get too involved.
But, this is kind of my area, and I love this stuff. And, sometimes I forget that not everbody thinks it is as interesting as I do.

Originally posted by Mr Master
When I say "616 Multi-verse", (this means the MULTI-VERSE that HOUSES the 616 UNIVERSE)

And regarding your other post, in response to mine, I have a question about Roma.

What exactly is her role? I picked up those 'House of M' issues of Uncanny X-Men (462-465) and they were showing the effects of Wanda's actions, and Roma (or some other chick) was ready to use some sort of Nullifier (not sure if this is something equal to the Ultimate Nullifier) and they were talking as though she is the protector of realities. But isn't that LT's role? LT was never even mentioned...damn X-books. rolleyes1

I'm only half-way through it, but feel free to spoil it for me...

Originally posted by Lord S
That's what I thought...thanks for clearing that up!

Wut up S,

anytime friend.

Originally posted by Lord S
And regarding your other post, in response to mine, I have a question about Roma.

What exactly is her role? I picked up those 'House of M' issues of Uncanny X-Men (462-465) and they were showing the effects of Wanda's actions, and Roma (or some other chick) was ready to use some sort of Nullifier (not sure if this is something equal to the Ultimate Nullifier) and they were talking as though she is the protector of realities. But isn't that LT's role? LT was never even mentioned...damn X-books. rolleyes1

I'm only half-way through it, but feel free to spoil it for me...

Roma is the Multiversal Guardian, she protects Eternity (the Multi-verse) from threats that would be able to destroy him, she usually imploys heroes to the job, (like Captain Britain and Excalibur) but she will get her hands dirty if necessary.

LT is the Multiversal Judge, if there is a threat to the Multiversal Balance, and it can NOT be stopped by any other, LT steps in. (like in the case of the Infinity Gauntlet in the hands of a psycho Warlock) LT did not interfere in Thanos's case because Thanos's WILL gave him the stability to control himself, but more because Thanos only wanted ONE Universe.

The Celestial Nullifier can erase any Universe in the entire Omni-verse.

The Ultimate Nullifier has only been depicted to be effective in the "616 Multi-verse" (it erased and re-created the 616 Multi-verse once)

Captain Britain, is potentially the most powerful being in the Omni-verse below TOAA and LT.

Captain Britain will use (if necessary) the most powerful weapons in all of Marvel,
the Swrod of Might (Excalibur) and the Amulet of Right, together they can Re-Write the Omni-verse, oh yea, believe it.

I have some rediculous scans, where Merlin, the former wielder of Excalibur, with it ALONE, he was manipulating entire MULTI-VERSES.

He was actually playing a game of Chess with Roma, the 616 Multi-verse was the Chess Board and the pieces represented Universes, (Mad Jim Jaspers was one of those pieces, so go figure) while a bunch of Chess Boards (Multi-verses) were floating in his Realm, for him to do with as he wished.

great scans as usual Mr. M.

Originally posted by Madvillain
great scans as usual Mr. M.

😄

So we have an agreement?

geb knows everything, so he would know how to win. and he can do anything, so he would be able to do it.
simple

Originally posted by The-JudgeX
geb knows everything, so he would know how to win. and he can do anything, so he would be able to do it.
simple

Originally posted by Mr Master
Wut up S,

anytime friend.

Roma is the Multiversal Guardian, she protects Eternity (the Multi-verse) from threats that would be able to destroy him, she usually imploys heroes to the job, (like Captain Britain and Excalibur) but she will get her hands dirty if necessary.

LT is the Multiversal Judge, if there is a threat to the Multiversal Balance, and it can NOT be stopped by any other, LT steps in. (like in the case of the Infinity Gauntlet in the hands of a psycho Warlock) LT did not interfere in Thanos's case because Thanos's WILL gave him the stability to control himself, but more because Thanos only wanted ONE Universe.

The Celestial Nullifier can erase any Universe in the entire Omni-verse.

The Ultimate Nullifier has only been depicted to be effective in the "616 Multi-verse" (it erased and re-created the 616 Multi-verse once)

Captain Britain, is potentially the most powerful being in the Omni-verse below TOAA and LT.

Captain Britain will use (if necessary) the most powerful weapons in all of Marvel,
the Swrod of Might (Excalibur) and the Amulet of Right, together they can Re-Write the Omni-verse, oh yea, believe it.

I have some rediculous scans, where Merlin, the former wielder of Excalibur, with it ALONE, he was manipulating entire MULTI-VERSES.

He was actually playing a game of Chess with Roma, the 616 Multi-verse was the Chess Board and the pieces represented Universes, (Mad Jim Jaspers was one of those pieces, so go figure) while a bunch of Chess Boards (Multi-verses) were floating in his Realm, for him to do with as he wished.

Please post some of these scans. I always look forward to your posts because you back up your points with scans and I like to see some of the things I have missed out with in comics. I am not that familiar with the whole Excalibur series, although I own all the infinity gauntlet series.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Please post some of these scans. I always look forward to your posts because you back up your points with scans and I like to see some of the things I have missed out with in comics. I am not that familiar with the whole Excalibur series, although I own all the infinity gauntlet series.

I made a thread dedicated to the Cosmics of Marvel, packed with scans.

You'll find all of these events and more here,

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=425758&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=1

Have fun.

Mr. Master, as always thanks for those delicious scans droolio

how do they taste?

Originally posted by Madvillain
how do they taste?

DELICIOUS droolio

Originally posted by Mr Master

I have some rediculous scans, where Merlin, the former wielder of Excalibur, with it ALONE, he was manipulating entire MULTI-VERSES.

He was actually playing a game of Chess with Roma, the 616 Multi-verse was the Chess Board and the pieces represented Universes, (Mad Jim Jaspers was one of those pieces, so go figure) while a bunch of Chess Boards (Multi-verses) were floating in his Realm, for him to do with as he wished.

i'd like to see these again, because if i recall, there was no proof that each chess board was a MULTI-VERSE. i remember them being individual universes. same with the merlin scan.

i'm still fighting for a single marvel multiverse, and until i'm proven wrong, i'll fight hard.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Mr. Master, as always thanks for those delicious scans droolio

😄

Originally posted by manorastroman
i'd like to see these again, because if i recall, there was no proof that each chess board was a MULTI-VERSE. i remember them being individual universes. same with the merlin scan.

i'm still fighting for a single marvel multiverse, and until i'm proven wrong, i'll fight hard.

sleep1

i'll take that as a no? perhaps when you wake up from this delusional dream world you live in, where your will is law and all other interpretations are ignorant?

i'll be waiting.

Originally posted by manorastroman
i'll take that as a no? perhaps when you wake up from this delusional dream world you live in, where your will is law and all other interpretations are ignorant?

i'll be waiting.

blabla