Great Evil Beast vs. Living Tribunal, THOTU and Phoenix Force

Originally posted by leonidas
to me it's clear giffen et al., meant eternity (as in 616 eternity) and not multi-eternity
and that multiverse referred to the multi-dimensional nature of eternity (singluar) and not the "multiverse as we've come to know it".

now, while you show your scan over and again about 'universes' unfolding, etc., (universes that could well exist within singular eternity if you allow for the interchangeable nature of the terminology -- especially as it was used in THAT series) your interpretation remains strictly an opinion.

-- clearly to my mind indicates that the writers of the story intended for this to be the same eternity now as it was then -- and of course that was not multi-eternity who didn't even come into existence until 40 years later.

"meant eternity (as in 616 eternity) and not multi-eternity"
"not the "multiverse as we've come to know it".
"interchangeable nature of the terminology" .... "remains strictly an opinion"

Let's just deal with the strength of your argument right now,

I will only use TWO instances:

Multi-Eternity comes into existence 40 years later, and in the same arc he's introduced, he's called BOTH Multi-Eternity and Eternity:

MULTI-ETERNITY warns Captain Universe, Reed Richards and Dr Druid about Abraxas his counter-part:

"and where ONE ETERNITY would ensure a BOUNDLESS Universe, a MULTI-ETERNITY would ensure a BOUNDLESS MULTI-VERSE"

NOW ...... SAME arc, SAME WRITER:

"What was revealed to me through the Cosmic Entity known as ETERNITY"

Proceed with your explanation.

The other occasion that was ignored before when I posted it along with the Dormammu scans...

Roma inherited the reins of the MULTI-VERSE

Roma Oversees the 616 MULTI-VERSE personally, (or more precisely, the MULTI-VERSE that houses the 616 UNIVERSE) that's what I mean when I say 616 Multi-verse, because there are an Infinite number of MULTI-VERSES in Marvel.

Roma says Understanding the Universe is hard enough, but she tends to ETERNITY (the Multi-verse) YET, she refers to him as ETERNITY, NOT Multi-Eternity

"Within it, ALL that ever was, ever is or ever will be exists"

Again, I'm all eyes, explain.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Ha! Dude, you are the one that told us to disregard a statement made in a comic, which did not agree with your opinion.
Here: "That was a typo error on the inker's part, Phoenix NEVER threatened the Multi-verse in that issue, not EVEN the Universe, (well, maybe the Universe)"
:were your exact words. Why is it a typo? Because it goes against what you are saying? That is silly.

Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, i wonder if it was an "inker's error" when "multiverses" was written in that infamous lt scan that you use to cement your opinion that lt is omniversal . . .?

Well, I can see you boys completely IGNORED the obvious REASONS WHY that was a definite MISTAKE.

Here it is AGAIN, be thorough yall and READ the SCANS, it only takes a few minutes.

That was a typo error on the inker's part, Phoenix NEVER threatened the Multi-verse in that issue, not EVEN the Universe, (well, maybe the Universe)

Here is the PROOF that it was a TYPO, not because I don't agree with what was said, but because it's a FACT!

Sym and Madelyn Prior (Jean Grey's clone) were the true threats,

They opened a Dimensional Rift between LIMBO and EARTH that caused a great UNBALANCE called the "Limbo Effect"

"Phoenix...Despite her great power, was DEFEATED by Demons, who transformed her into a mannequin in a Shop Window"

Reed Richards and Dr Doom were their lackeys, and together they built a machine that could expand the "Limbo Effect"... thereby granting Sym and Pryor access to the whole Multi-verse for takeover, without being interfered by anyone.

"Your Machine will be soon ready"

"In a matter of days, the Multi-verse itself will worship you"

"Same Spell which cuts off this Dimension from Intervention by OUTER Dimensional Forces"

"ALSO prevents us from attaining out Ultimate Goal, the EXTENSION of LIMBO to ALL the PLANES of the MULTI-VERSE, Richard's and Doom's MACHINE will Magnify the Limbo Effect without opening us to OUTER Dimensional attack"

In the end, when their plans were thwarted to take over the Multi-verse, Madelyn Prior (Jean Grey's clone) summoned the Phoenix Force in an attempt to at least takeover the Universe,

but that proved unsuccessful as well.

So the Phoenix Force burned away (or purified) the Earth, leaving it in a prehistoric age, giving Humanity a second chance.

Now if you actually read the scans and disagree with me,

then whatever.

MM. Listen. The point is, you have to use common sense. You are making the same mistake that has been made in books before.

Your statement involving the typo is correct! But, it is proving my point, which you don't seem to get.

Multiverse is something totally different from Universe. They are not interchangeable. Period.

616 is part of a Multiverse. If somebody rules over 616, it has nothing to do with the ruling of the Multiverse. And, even in some of these stories, as you said, mistakes have been made. And, again, common sense has to be used.

The model I created, describing the position and station of the "Realms", (Universes, Diminsions, Timelines), is correct. If you just do a little research outside of your own threads, and check out some other authoritive sites, statements and articles, you will see I am right.

Just like the fact that writers have screwed up when they try and speak scientifically about radiation, physics and othe complex fields, they make mistakes about this stuff.

Just like the panel you showed with the typo. Personally, a lot of the time I see the term "Multiverse" tossed around in comic books, I have seen it to mean "Miniverse", (all the realms associated with 616, like offshoot timelines, pocket dimensions, etc.) Unless it is specifically stated, and explained to be a totally separate Universe, having nothing to do with 616.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Again, I'm all eyes, explain.

there's no need to explain. i've said all along the terms can change and the story should indeed be used to explain the terms that are used.

that, however, undeniably leaves these terms open to the interpretation of the reader.

you say in the defenders series the writers meant he actually conquered multi-eternity because of your scan showing universes unfolding, etc . . .

i say multiverse meant universe (as in the pan-dimensional nature of 616 eternity -- there is even mention of the pan-dimensional council) because the writers made a clear reference to the 2 (dormammu & eternity) having met before. and you've not given an explanation to THAT fact. do you really think 40 years ago dormmy attacked MULTI-eternity . . .?

i still don't see how it is you can be so sure of what the terms (multiverse, universe, dimensional, pan-dimensional, cosmos, reality, creation, etc . . .) meant when they were utterly and completely unreliable throughout.

nor does it matter, i suppose. as i always you'll have your thoughts, i'll have mine. imo it's clear they meant for this eternity and that previously encountered eternity to be the SAME eternity, and since obviously that first eternity was most definitely NOT suposed to be multi-eternity . . . 😬

Originally posted by Horrificus
Your statement involving the typo is correct!

Thank you for noticing, and not succumbing to condescending remarks without paying attention to the facts at hand. (like others do)

Originally posted by Horrificus
But, it is proving my point, which you don't seem to get.

Actually I just noticed where this mass of confusion is coming from.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Multiverse is something totally different from Universe. They are not interchangeable. Period.

616 is part of a Multiverse. If somebody rules over 616, it has nothing to do with the ruling of the Multiverse.

And this is where the confusion lies.

1. I NEVER said that Multi-verse means Universe.

2. I NEVER said that 616 is a Multi-verse.

What I did say,

The term, "ETERNITY" can stand for Universe OR Multi-verse,

this is where follow through of the stroy line comes into play in order to figure out what the Writer is referring to.

I also said that term "UNIVERSE" can stand for Multi-verse,

and again, this is where follow through of the stroy line comes into play in order to figure out what the Writer is referring to.

NOW,

The term "MULTI-VERSE, can NEVER stand for "UNIVERSE".

ps. I said this before, so again,

When I say "616 Multi-verse", (this means the MULTI-VERSE that HOUSES the 616 UNIVERSE) because there are an INFINITE number of Multi-verses in Marvel, this way we can distinguish them.

I think we understand each other now, fresh new water back in the pool. 🙂

Originally posted by leonidas
there's no need to explain.

Of course not, there is none.

You were able to jump all over the place with the Dormammu incidend but,

What are you going to dispute now,

that Roma isn't the Multiversal Guardian?

that ALL those Eternitys were Aspects of a single Universal Eternity?

Originally posted by leonidas
i've said all along the terms can change and the story should indeed be used to explain the terms that are used.

Interesting,

that's EXACTLY what I know I've been saying all along

and yet we continue to bump heads on the matter. 😉

Originally posted by leonidas
that, however, undeniably leaves these terms open to the interpretation of the reader.

What terms?

Not the Roma scans or the Multi-Eternity scans I'm sure?

All the Johnnie Cochran skills in the World aren't going to convince me that Roma meant anything more than the MULTI-VERSE when she called it just "ETERNITY".

Likewise with Reed when he called MULTI-ETERNITY, "ETERNITY".

Originally posted by leonidas
you say in the defenders series the writers meant he actually conquered multi-eternity because of your scan showing universes unfolding, etc . . .

Many scans, I didn't think I would have to crop them all.

Apparently I was wrong.

Originally posted by leonidas
i say multiverse meant universe (as in the pan-dimensional nature of 616 eternity --

I disagree.

Originally posted by leonidas
there is even mention of the pan-dimensional council) because the writers made a clear reference to the 2 (dormammu & eternity) having met before. and you've not given an explanation to THAT fact. do you really think 40 years ago dormmy attacked MULTI-eternity . . .?

I have to explain, but when I ask you to explain:

Originally posted by leonidas
there's no need to explain.

hum

Originally posted by leonidas
i still don't see how it is you can be so sure of what the terms (multiverse, universe, dimensional, pan-dimensional, cosmos, reality, creation, etc . . .) meant

Simple,

I read the ENTIRE arc a few times, and get my answers.

You thought Dormammu killed Eternity on his own at first,

then I brought up the fact that Dormammu merged his power with Umar, and even then it took some Cosmic Axis SHIFT to make the impossible, possible. (PIS indeed, but atleast it was a poor attempt at an explanation.)

Then you post sarcasm, like this:

Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, i wonder if it was an "inker's error" when "multiverses" was written in that infamous lt scan that you use to cement your opinion that lt is omniversal . . .?

Had you exercised the mutual respect I show you by reading your ENTIRE post THOROUGHLY, you would have had NO reason for posting that.

Because I did BACK UP my statement with On Panel PROOF that it was a TYPO.

Originally posted by leonidas
when they were utterly and completely unreliable throughout.

Your opinion, and your entitled.

Originally posted by leonidas
nor does it matter, i suppose. as i always you'll have your thoughts, i'll have mine.

I suppose not, if you say so.

I can guarantee your POSTS will be examined thoroughly though, before I reply to them, lest I reply with silly unnecessary remarks.

Originally posted by leonidas
imo it's clear they meant for this eternity and that previously encountered eternity to be the SAME eternity, and since obviously that first eternity was most definitely NOT suposed to be multi-eternity . . .

Kool,

I still disagree, and it ends here I guess.

i guess it does.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=430472

Presence and GEB arent #1 in Vertigo/DC(?) n'uff said, GEB isn't supreme.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Of course not, there is none.

there is none BECAUSE we agree on those other scans. i have however said all along -- and have not wavered from the notion -- that terminology CAN be used interchangeably in SOME cases. in those cases we use the story to try and define the terms. problem with that is that not everyone (clearly) interprets stories the same way. we interpret your roma scans the same. we don't interpret your defenders scans the same way.

Then you post sarcasm, like this:

Had you exercised the mutual respect I show you by reading your ENTIRE post THOROUGHLY, you would have had NO reason for posting that.

Because I did BACK UP my statement with On Panel PROOF that it was a TYPO.

stop taking things so personally. you've seen my more . . . 'dickish' side. if i REALLY wanted to 'get into it', we would. my post wasn't sarcasm, (though it was perhaps a not completely appropriate attempt at a little levity . . .) it was actually a legitmate thought i had considering your single scan is one among dozens of lt scans that pluralizes multiverse. given that it is the single exception among a large collection of examples, perhaps it WAS an oversight. is that such a stretch?

Kool,

I still disagree, and it ends here I guess.

that's fine, but i have explained my end as best i can.

are you telling me that it was NOT the intent of these writers to make this eternity (despite the fact that he recalls meeting dormammu in the past) the SAME eternity dormmy met in the past?

let me ask a question. indulge it if you wish, or don't, but perhaps it'll help me understand things a little better from your pov:

in your opinion are the dark dimension, the quantum zone, the crimson cosmos, the negative zone, asgard, et al., part of our earth's "universe"? not are they part of our eternity (singular) are they part of earth's 'universe'?

It would seem that a big problem is "perspective".

MM, you say that you are associating 616, not only as a "single universe", but also as a label for the multiverse it is in. And, you say that you are doing that as a manner of keeping order, because there are infinite multiverses.

True, there are. But, that is very confusing. I would imagine that the smartest thing to do, would be to just label the multiverse in which 616 drifts, as the Marvel Multiverse.

And, unless it is specifically stated to the contrary, all universes mentioned are a part of that Marvel Multiverse. Just as DC used to dwell within it's own Multiverse.

1. 616 - a Single Universe within the Marvel Multiverse, consists of:
a. Pocket Dimensions and Realities.
b Offshoot Alternate Timelines, stemming from 616.
c. Marvel Miniverse is a possible term to replace the misuse of the
term "Multiverse" when discussing the infinite number of Realms
associated with 616.

2. Marvel Multiverse - The Multiverse that all Marvel storylines take
place in. Unless otherwise stated. Consists of:
a. All Universes referrenced in Marvel literature.
b. All Abstract and Cosmic Entities placed in positions of Authority
over the Marvel Multiverse. For example: Living Tribunal.

Originally posted by Horrificus
1. 616 - a Single Universe within the Marvel Multiverse, consists of:
a. Pocket Dimensions and Realities.
b Offshoot Alternate Timelines, stemming from 616.
c. Marvel Miniverse is a possible term to replace the misuse of the
term "Multiverse" when discussing the infinite number of Realms
associated with 616.

i'd disagree with that, H. alternate timelines (ie what ifs) are seperate 'universes' within the wider multiverse that contains all alternates to 616. ie age of apocalypse timeline is NOT marvel 616 nor are any what if issues, etc . . .

616 is generally what is termed 'within continuity'.

i do agree that eternity (singular) is broken up into a myriad of dimensions/realities/universes, etc . . .

Marvel Universe: Entire Marvel continuity
Omniverse: Re-titeled Marvel Megaverse
Multiverse: Was later dubbed to Marvel Megaverse
Universe: One dimention, one timeline: Example 616 or Ultimate

Originally posted by leonidas
i have however said all along -- and have not wavered from the notion -- that terminology CAN be used interchangeably in SOME cases. in those cases we use the story to try and define the terms.

Go back to page 14,

if this would have been your stance from the very beginning, we would have not ended up going in circles.

We would of been in agreement since then.

Go back to page 14,

your whole thing was to prove that Dormammu didn't kill Eternity the Multi-verse, when that was never the point of me posting those scans, the point ALWAYS was to show that the term ETERNITY, can sometimes mean UNIVERSE or MULTI-VERSE depending on the story line.

Somewhere along the lines we crashed, but that was then and this is now, let us smile again 😄

Originally posted by leonidas
problem with that is that not everyone (clearly) interprets stories the same way. we interpret your roma scans the same. we don't interpret your defenders scans the same way.

Fair enuff.

Originally posted by leonidas
stop taking things so personally. you've seen my more . . . 'dickish' side. if i REALLY wanted to 'get into it', we would.

Actually, you'd be alone in that endeavor, those days of me entertaining insults back and forth are history.

I try my best to stay 😎

Originally posted by leonidas
my post wasn't sarcasm, (though it was perhaps a not completely appropriate attempt at a little levity . . .) it was actually a legitmate thought i had considering your single scan is one among dozens of lt scans that pluralizes multiverse. given that it is the single exception among a large collection of examples, perhaps it WAS an oversight. is that such a stretch?

Ok fine.

Then again it shouldn't be too hard to believe considering LT is second only to TOAA.

That fact, LT being second only to TOAA, strengthens the idea that he presides over all the Multi-verses.

Unlike the mistake I caught in the Phoenix threatening the Multi-verse scan, which is proposterous since it was the "Limbo Effect" with the help of Reed's & Doom's Machine (which had NOTHING to do with Phoenix) that trully threatened the Multi-verse.

Originally posted by leonidas
that's fine, but i have explained my end as best i can.

I have never doubted your debating skills, heck I think your a better debater than I am,

that's why I rely on Panel Proof so much, cause I don't feel I'm the most articulate debater at all.

Originally posted by leonidas
are you telling me that it was NOT the intent of these writers to make this eternity (despite the fact that he recalls meeting dormammu in the past) the SAME eternity dormmy met in the past?

It's not a stretch to think that, but imo, they mentioned the term "Multi-verse" and "UniverseS" way too much for it to have been just a single version of Eternity.

Originally posted by leonidas
let me ask a question. indulge it if you wish, or don't, but perhaps it'll help me understand things a little better from your pov:

in your opinion are the dark dimension, the quantum zone, the crimson cosmos, the negative zone, asgard, et al., part of our earth's "universe"? not are they part of our eternity (singular) are they part of earth's 'universe'?

The Dark Dimension:

(originally just a small Dimension) became a collection of Dimensions that make up a Universe smaller than Eternity 616.

Now the Dark Dimension, though it is now a Universe is not an Aspect of Eternity (the Multi-verse) because it didn't start out as a Universe, it was a Dimension, outside of 616 that absorbed all the neighboring Dimensions, thus increasing in size to that of a Universe smaller than 616.

It is outside 616 but inside the Multi-verse

Dr Strange # 71 covers all of that.

The Quantum Zone:

is a place where time and space are meaningless, so one can enter the Quantum Zone, and exit it into any point in our universe, instantaneously, Quasar can access the Zone because of his Quantum Bands, I understand the energy there is seemingly Infinite, but cannot be exploited completely by anyone.

Also,

Due to the infinite nature of the Quantum Zone; no amount of energy is too much for him to drain, nor can he ever run out of energy-- unless he's cut off from the Quantum Zone. This has only happened once, when he actually left the Multiverse and entered the New Universe, (which is OUTSIDE the Multi-verse) where the Quantum Zone did not exist.

I'm not completely sure if the Quantum Zone is a Dimension, or Universe

These events took place in Quasar #30-31, I'll peek back at it to understand it more clearly.

Is with in 616, but in a Other-Dimension Plane separated from Earth's Plane.

The Crimson Cosmos:

is a small Realm with in the Crimson Ruby of Cyttorak, (where Juggs gets his power from)

X-Men #33 covers this.

These are the only scans I have in hand, I'll get the rest later for the other REALMS above. (Have to Crop first)

The Negative Zone:

Is an Access point to many Universes

"The CROSS ROADS of INFINITY"

There's a BUNCH of UNIVERSES within the N-ZONE

"A New Universe, which can be reached through the NEGATIVE ZONE - the CROSSROADS of INFINITY"

The Negative Zone is outside 616.

Asgard:

is in a Other-Dimensional Plane but with in 616, just like Earth is on a certain Dimensional Plane but with in 616 aswell.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Go back to page 14,

if this would have been your stance from the very beginning, we would have not ended up going in circles.

We would of been in agreement since then.

Go back to page 14,

your whole thing was to prove that Dormammu didn't kill Eternity the Multi-verse, when that was never the point of me posting those scans, the point ALWAYS was to show that the term ETERNITY, can sometimes mean UNIVERSE or MULTI-VERSE depending on the story line.

Somewhere along the lines we crashed, but that was then and this is now, let us smile again 😄

cool. if it was me who lost track my apologies. i'd thought i'd made my point clear but things got . . . muddled for a bit so i may well have been at fault. 🙂

Actually, you'd be alone in that endeavor, those days of me entertaining insults back and forth are history.

I try my best to stay 😎

it's showed in our recent set of discussions. 🙂

Ok fine.

Then again it shouldn't be too hard to believe considering LT is second only to TOAA.

That fact, LT being second only to TOAA, strengthens the idea that he presides over all the Multi-verses.

maybe. but his decision WAS ineffective in the ultraverse regarding the IG and the scan goes against dozens of other scans showing the opposite. s'all i'm saying.

I have never doubted your debating skills, heck I think your a better debater than I am,

that's why I rely on Panel Proof so much, cause I don't feel I'm the most articulate debater at all.

hehe. thanks. i don't know about better, but i'm certainly a LAZIER debater than you. if i had your seemingly endless patience to 'thoroughly' search through my books and research info, i'd be better off.

It's not a stretch to think that, but imo, they mentioned the term "Multi-verse" and "UniverseS" way too much for it to have been just a single version of Eternity.

that's cool as well. the whole series was about as clear as mud -- but i DID find it funny. umar in particular was hilarious. we'll disagree because you don't think eternity (singular) can be referred as a multiverse. and as always, that's fine by me. this site has been a lot more fun of late BECAUSE we disagree so often. 😄

The Dark Dimension:

(originally just a small Dimension) became a collection of Dimensions that make up a Universe smaller than Eternity 616.

Now the Dark Dimension, though it is now a Universe is not an Aspect of Eternity (the Multi-verse) because it didn't start out as a Universe, it was a Dimension, outside of 616 that absorbed all the neighboring Dimensions, thus increasing in size to that of a Universe smaller than 616.

It is outside 616 but inside the Multi-verse

Dr Strange # 71 covers all of that.

The Quantum Zone:

is a place where time and space are meaningless, so one can enter the Quantum Zone, and exit it into any point in our universe, instantaneously, Quasar can access the Zone because of his Quantum Bands, I understand the energy there is seemingly Infinite, but cannot be exploited completely by anyone.

Also,

Due to the infinite nature of the Quantum Zone; no amount of energy is too much for him to drain, nor can he ever run out of energy-- unless he's cut off from the Quantum Zone. This has only happened once, when he actually left the Multiverse and entered the New Universe, (which is OUTSIDE the Multi-verse) where the Quantum Zone did not exist.

I'm not completely sure if the Quantum Zone is a Dimension, or Universe

These events took place in Quasar #30-31, I'll peek back at it to understand it more clearly.

Is with in 616, but in a Other-Dimension Plane separated from Earth's Plane.

The Crimson Cosmos:

is a small Realm with in the Crimson Ruby of Cyttorak, (where Juggs gets his power from)

X-Men #33 covers this.

These are the only scans I have in hand, I'll get the rest later for the other REALMS above. (Have to Crop first)

The Negative Zone:

Is an Access point to many Universes

"The CROSS ROADS of INFINITY"

There's a BUNCH of UNIVERSES within the N-ZONE

"A New Universe, which can be reached through the NEGATIVE ZONE - the CROSSROADS of INFINITY"

The Negative Zone is outside 616.

Asgard:

is in a Other-Dimensional Plane but with in 616, just like Earth is on a certain Dimensional Plane but with in 616 aswell.

that's cool info. i agree with some, and disagree with some. we should open a thread for this topic -- worlds of the multiverse or something to discuss the relevence and relative positions of these worlds/universes. make for some fun and interesting reading. 😉

Originally posted by leonidas
cool. if it was me who lost track my apologies. i'd thought i'd made my point clear but things got . . . muddled for a bit so i may well have been at fault.

No biggi,

I'm just as much at fault.

Originally posted by leonidas
it's showed in our recent set of discussions.

Even when it got a bit heated, we did keep our composur for the most part.

I'm proud of for both of us.

Originally posted by leonidas
maybe. but his decision WAS ineffective in the ultraverse regarding the IG and the scan goes against dozens of other scans showing the opposite. s'all i'm saying.

I have nearly every appearance LT has made, I will flip some pages when I have time and see if I can find anymore instances where any further information can be added to this portion of the debate.

Originally posted by leonidas
hehe. thanks. i don't know about better, but i'm certainly a LAZIER debater than you. if i had your seemingly endless patience to 'thoroughly' search through my books and research info, i'd be better off.

Nonsense,

your the man, so don't be so modest, and I'm not patronizing. 🙂

Originally posted by leonidas
that's cool as well. the whole series was about as clear as mud -- but i DID find it funny. umar in particular was hilarious. we'll disagree because you don't think eternity (singular) can be referred as a multiverse. and as always, that's fine by me.

Umar was comical,

but your right, it was muddy all over, I mean come on when your own Editor says this about you,

You know you've done something wrong.

ps. I can't believe they included that in publication.

Originally posted by leonidas
this site has been a lot more fun of late BECAUSE we disagree so often.

You kiddin,

we're the life of the party.

Originally posted by leonidas
that's cool info. i agree with some, and disagree with some. we should open a thread for this topic -- worlds of the multiverse or something to discuss the relevence and relative positions of these worlds/universes. make for some fun and interesting reading. 😉

I think that's a great idea.

Originally posted by leonidas
i'd disagree with that, H. alternate timelines (ie what ifs) are seperate 'universes' within the wider multiverse that contains all alternates to 616. ie age of apocalypse timeline is NOT marvel 616 nor are any what if issues, etc . . .

616 is generally what is termed 'within continuity'.

i do agree that eternity (singular) is broken up into a myriad of dimensions/realities/universes, etc . . .

Right. I didn't mean that what I wrote was exactly what should be.
You are right. There is a lot of "tweaking" that would go into it, but I think it is a good start for a model of Omniversal Continuity.

It would help. But, yeah, there are a lot of situations that will have to be handled according to their specific situations.

Yup.

Originally posted by Mr Master
No biggi,

I'm just as much at fault.

Even when it got a bit heated, we did keep our composur for the most part.

I'm proud of for both of us.

I have nearly every appearance LT has made, I will flip some pages when I have time and see if I can find anymore instances where any further information can be added to this portion of the debate.

Nonsense,

your the man, so don't be so modest, and I'm not patronizing. 🙂

Umar was comical,

but your right, it was muddy all over, I mean come on when your own Editor says this about you,

You know you've done something wrong.

ps. I can't believe they included that in publication.

You kiddin,

we're the life of the party.

I think that's a great idea.

🙂

the bit about the editor -- there was something similar written a few times -- i think it was part of the schtick. do you have the hard copies, or digital?

i have the hard copies -- there's a funny bit wher giffen says something like despite the disaster they were causing it WAS all within continuity!

heheh.

despite the confusion it has caused, i DID like the series. the hulk and umar were classic. 😄

Originally posted by Horrificus
Right. I didn't mean that what I wrote was exactly what should be.
You are right. There is a lot of "tweaking" that would go into it, but I think it is a good start for a model of Omniversal Continuity.

It would help. But, yeah, there are a lot of situations that will have to be handled according to their specific situations.

Yup.

👆

Originally posted by leonidas
the bit about the editor -- there was something similar written a few times -- i think it was part of the schtick. do you have the hard copies, or digital?

Just the digital.

Originally posted by leonidas
i have the hard copies -- there's a funny bit wher giffen says something like despite the disaster they were causing it WAS all within continuity!

heheh.

Continuity?

They got some nerve. 😆

Originally posted by leonidas
despite the confusion it has caused, i DID like the series. the hulk and umar were classic.

Still can't believe she rocked that BEAST'S world in 6 minutes, I don't care what levels her sex status reaches.

She literally knocked him out with her punani 😂

Originally posted by Mr Master
Still can't believe she rocked that BEAST'S world in 6 minutes, I don't care what levels her sex status reaches.

She literally knocked him out with her punani 😂

😱