It's because he killed children that I have no respect for him.
I agree with this entirely. Anakin was morally weak and corrupt. He was selfish, unable to love Padme and his friend and mentor Obi-Wan, instead betraying them and accusing them of being untrue when the opposite was the case. He participated in wanton destruction of his kindmen and the keepers of peace in the universe, had no self restraint governing his emotions, vast powers, or even giving thought to his actions and their consequences. In short, Anakin was a spoiled, moody, reckless and deluded brat who barely had any redeeming qualities.
... Unless I was going to just rave on and on about how badass he is because he wears black, kills things, and every piece of SW literature pumped out by LFL all but verbally fellates him.
I aplluaded when he killed the children. What else was he going to do?
Be a morally sound person and NOT butcher innocent people when he claims to be doing everything for "the good of HIS empire". Any person who butchers helpless, innocent children who trust him and claims to have good interests is a monster, not a person worth respect. Hitler put children to death in this manner... Does he deserve a respect thread?
LOL!He also killed all Tuskin Raiders in their settlement in Tatooine. Now that's impressive.
Yeah, because a Jedi with a glowstick beating a bunch of primitives using his Force-aided reflexes and raw anger is totally exclusive to Anakin and his badassedry.
Oh.
Except Obi-Wan could send them running with a sound.
He killed obi in episode 4 ..that was teh sh!t ..I can care less if Obi let him ..Obi's a pussy
You're obviously of below-normal intellect, so I won't reply too much on this comment other than to note it's ridiculousness.
Obi-Wan actually deserved to die.
Yes, because being a good man and a protector of the galaxy, along with being the one person who didn't give up on Anakin until the latter was trying to hack him into pieces (And even then, was trying to reason with him!), who cared for his children and wife, and who embraced him with open arms once he crossed into the afterlife...
Yes, Obi-Wan was absolutely horrible and deserved to be mowed down where he stood by his impetuous and crooked former student. I see that logic clearly.
Well, aside from the fact Obi-Wan has literally done nothing that would actually merit death...
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Although, I will say that for such a saint, leaving an utterly defenseless Anakin to burn to near death was hardly a heavenly display of compassion. St. Kenobi even ponders upon that himself (wondering if the discompassion shown at Mustafar would rapt Darth Vader's hate and rage, further propelling him down towards the Dark side).
Regardless of if Anakin was evil or twisted by the Dark side, there really was still good in him (and there always has been, even since his transformation into Darth Vader until his subsequent death in RotJ), and this is brought out by his child, Luke, within a short amount of time - why could Obi-Wan not help him, instead of making absolutely no attempt to save him? Or, at the least, kill him quickly and swiftly. Which actually would've saved the galaxy some trouble.
Plus, it's just common decency to save someone on fire, you know. But that's not the reason I said that, just some thinking and reviewing. He's still, IMO, the epitome of a Jedi.
With my "below-normal intellect" it's hard for me to say anything but nonsense! LOL .. Obi-wan’s character is completely useless by the middle of episode 4. His character revolves around Anakin. His only point of being in any episode is because Lucas needed to show what happened to Anakin from the beginning to end. Obi is the reason Anakin turns in my opinion .. If it wasn't for his lame teaching, Anikan might have had a chance ...and if I were you Janis, I would be very careful how you respond to this! Har Har
Originally posted by darthsecretus30
With my "below-normal intellect" it's hard for me to say anything but nonsense! LOL .. Obi-wan’s character is completely useless by the middle of episode 4. His character revolves around Anakin. His only point of being in any episode is because Lucas needed to show what happened to Anakin from the beginning to end. Obi is the reason Anakin turns in my opinion .. If it wasn't for his lame teaching, Anikan might have had a chance ...and if I were you Janis, I would be very careful how you respond to this! Har Har
Secretus, this is frickin Janus. Hes the best debator in this forum, beating Sorgo and Faunus. Do not underestimate him!
Originally posted by Janus MariusBe a morally sound person and NOT butcher innocent people when he claims to be doing everything for "the good of HIS empire". Any person who butchers helpless, innocent children who trust him and claims to have good interests is a monster, not a person worth respect. Hitler put children to death in this manner... Does he deserve a respect thread?
I wasn't applauding him for his reasons. GL was showing the vast change that came over Anakin from the lightside to the darkside. The slaughtering of the younglings, was, imo, the final concrete action. Their are few things worse then killing innocent kids, really.
Originally posted by Janus Marius
Yeah, because a Jedi with a glowstick beating a bunch of primitives using his Force-aided reflexes and raw anger is totally exclusive to Anakin and his badassedry.Oh.
Except Obi-Wan could send them running with a sound.
Those Tuskin Raiders were considered to be very dangerous by locals living nearby. Mr "Lars" (husband of Shmi Skywalker) went to their settlement to rescue his wife with 35 men and only 5 returned.
Also, Obi-Wan fooled those two Tuskin Raiders in Episode 4 by making a voice of "Krayt Dragon", which scared those Raiders or else Luke was about to be pawned.
FTR, the purpose of this thread isn't to verbally fellate Anakin or suck his penis or anything like that (as might have been indicated by the word 'respect'😉, a respect thread is a thing that goes down in the comic book forum where you just post general info about a character, so as to try and build up a profile for said character so people can easily access easy reliable info about said character.
Also guys, please try not to go too off-topic, I mean a little is OK, but starting a debate about whether Obi-Wan deserved to die o what not is a bit too much.
Originally posted by darthsecretus30
With my "below-normal intellect" it's hard for me to say anything but nonsense! LOL .. Obi-wan’s character is completely useless by the middle of episode 4. His character revolves around Anakin. His only point of being in any episode is because Lucas needed to show what happened to Anakin from the beginning to end. Obi is the reason Anakin turns in my opinion .. If it wasn't for his lame teaching, Anikan might have had a chance ...and if I were you Janis, I would be very careful how you respond to this! Har Har
Har har!
Technically, everyone revolves around Anakin.
Kenobi's purpose in Episode 4 was to be Luke's mentor, start him off on his Jedi training. By the middle of ANH, Kenobi is sneaking around the Death Star so they can escape and fighting Vader.
I also wish to note that the PT hadn't been made yet...? Kenobi is a vital character, not background filler!
And it's not Kenobi's fault that Anakin fell. Hell, the two of them were brotherly towards each other. Anakin possesses weak morals, a lust for power, etcetera. It's Anakin's own fault.
Originally posted by Janus Marius
I agree with this entirely. Anakin was morally weak and corrupt. He was selfish, unable to love Padme and his friend and mentor Obi-Wan, instead betraying them and accusing them of being untrue when the opposite was the case. He participated in wanton destruction of his kindmen and the keepers of peace in the universe, had no self restraint governing his emotions, vast powers, or even giving thought to his actions and their consequences. In short, Anakin was a spoiled, moody, reckless and deluded brat who barely had any redeeming qualities.... Unless I was going to just rave on and on about how badass he is because he wears black, kills things, and every piece of SW literature pumped out by LFL all but verbally fellates him.
You have very good points, however he struggled like no other Jedi had previously done. He wasn't trained from infancy, so he already knew what it was like to use emotions, and certain reactions to certain emotions. I think he wanted to stay true to both OB1 and Padme until Mustafar. He sees his wife come all the way out there trying to talk him down and then sees OB1 standing there on HER ship. Yea he was stupid, and not thinking clearly, so he assumed she was on OB1's and the Jedi's side. Did he more than overreact by choking his wife? Absolutely, but that's what the Darkside does to your mind. I'd say for being a Sith, he more than gave OB1 more than 1 chance to leave. He even was hesitant to comment about OB1 to Padme, saying he hope's he remains loyal to the chancellor, which to me meant, he didn't want to have to kill him...as he says later. Also, you have to admit that OB1 didn't give him the respect that he got from QGJ and the respect that QGJ gave to OB1 himself. Even during a compliment, he found some way to belittle him. "Good call, my young apprentice." Couldn't just say good job? That was evident all throughout AOTC. I'm sure with Anakin knowing emotions, built up a slight resentment towards him despite his underlying love and respect.
Originally posted by Janus Marius
Be a morally sound person and NOT butcher innocent people when he claims to be doing everything for "the good of HIS empire". Any person who butchers helpless, innocent children who trust him and claims to have good interests is a monster, not a person worth respect. Hitler put children to death in this manner... Does he deserve a respect thread?
Also, against him they were, but in general, I wouldn't call them completely helpless. I mean look what GL's son did...took out about 6 clones, he just got overwhelmed. But yes, against Anakin, they were virtually helpless.
Originally posted by Janus Marius
Yeah, because a Jedi with a glowstick beating a bunch of primitives using his Force-aided reflexes and raw anger is totally exclusive to Anakin and his badassedry.Oh.
Except Obi-Wan could send them running with a sound.
Originally posted by Janus Marius
Yes, because being a good man and a protector of the galaxy, along with being the one person who didn't give up on Anakin until the latter was trying to hack him into pieces (And even then, was trying to reason with him!), who cared for his children and wife, and who embraced him with open arms once he crossed into the afterlife...Yes, Obi-Wan was absolutely horrible and deserved to be mowed down where he stood by his impetuous and crooked former student. I see that logic clearly.
Here's where we might disagree. He was a good man by position. Because of being a Jedi, he was hailed a good man and protector of the galaxy, which to a strong degree is true...but he most definitely had his flaws as a man and mentor. If he didn't believe that he was prepared to train someone like Anakin, then he should have waited till he was better prepared. If he, later on down the road, still trained him and ensured that he was to be trained, he still fulfilled his promise to QGJ.
There's also what i was saying earlier about his lack of respect towards Anakin, and even some possible resentment for the level of Anakin's power...I mean if Mace had it, I don't see why OB1 couldn't harbor some resentment. Also, he has a track record of lying, be it a tiny white lie or one like "from a certain point of view". He's sees fit to say what needs to be said in order to achieve his goal. He flat out LIED to Luke about his father in order to fuel Luke to want to kill him; he lied to Taun Wi (spelling?) about the nature of his visit to Kamino.
I will give him his just dues on a whole...he was doing what he thought best, but came up short sometimes, as far as Anakin was concerned, and the fact that he tried to get out of having to even go see Anakin at the end, was more than commendable. I don't think he deserved to die, but I wasn't broke up about it when it happened. By the same token though, you could say every Jedi was a good man due to being a protector of peace and harmony, but i think Mace got what he deserved, and would have been happier if Anakin was the one to kill him...i think it would have made his transition more meaningful and had more of an impact on his conscience.
That's just what I think. feel free to pick it apart though.