Mexican Deportation

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Mexican Deportation

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/11/14/mexico.migrants.ap/index.html

MEXICO CITY, Mexico (AP) -- He's a serious 7-year-old on a mission to save his mom.

Four-foot-tall second-grader Saul Arellano, a U.S. citizen, was to stand before 500 members of the lower house of the Mexican Congress on Tuesday to plead for their help in lobbying Washington to stop the deportation of his migrant mother, who has taken refuge in a Chicago church.

His fight is being closely watched on both sides of the border: The result could set a precedent for more than 3 million children, like him, who are Americans born to at least one parent who is in the U.S. illegally.

While his mother, Elvira Arellano, stays inside the Adalberto United Methodist Church on Chicago's West Side, Saul has joined a months-long campaign on her behalf, speaking out from Los Angeles to Washington, where he handed a White House guard his letter to President Bush.

"I want my mom to stay with me in the U.S.," he told The Associated Press on Monday in between informal meetings with Mexican lawmakers.

Since August 15 -- the day she was scheduled to surrender to U.S. authorities for deportation -- mother and son have lived at the church. U.S. federal officials have said there is no right to sanctuary in a church under U.S. law, and nothing to prevent them from arresting her.

But so far, they have not moved to detain Elvira Arellano, who has won the support from political figures across the United States, including Chicago Mayor Richard Daley.

Arellano, 31, said she sent her son to her homeland because she believes the Mexican government has the ability to help her.

"If the Mexican government can negotiate a free-trade agreement, they can negotiate a good accord to keep families from being split up," she said.

But immigration reform has proved to be a much tougher issue to resolve than trade. President Vicente Fox, who leaves office December 1, has struggled throughout his six-year term to gain Washington's support for a migration accord that would allow for thousands of Mexicans to work legally in the U.S. And while Bush personally supports a temporary guest-worker program, Republicans in Congress limited action to strengthening the border fence.

Arellano said she should not have to choose between leaving her son behind in the U.S. or bringing him to Mexico, away from his school, friends and familiar environment.

Conservative columnists and anti-illegal immigration activists say she put herself and her son in this difficult spot by repeatedly breaking the law.

Arellano illegally crossed into the United States in 1997 and was deported shortly afterward. She returned within days, living for three years in Oregon before moving to Chicago in 2000.

She was arrested two years later at O'Hare International Airport, where she worked as a cleaning woman. Convicted of working under a false Social Security number, she served three years probation before being ordered to appear at the immigration office in Chicago.

Thoughts? Should families of children born in the US be allowed to stay with their children? Should the children be deported along with the parents? Or should the child stay in America and be raised under foster care?

keeping children/ parents together is important whatever happens I suppose. The parents should still be given a choice of becoming citizens though if theyve been here for a certain amount of time. Either they become legal or go back.

yeah in all fairness they should kick the kid to Mexico with the mom. Because if having American babies made you a legal citizen we'd have half Mexican half American shitlets running every ware.

This is why I am a firm believer that one's citizenship should reflex the citizenship of one's mother/parents and not the soil they are born on.

"Convicted of working under a false Social Security number"... yea, that is called 'identity theft' and that is a crime, being deported should be the least of her worries.

Or maybe citizenship is bullshit afterall.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Or maybe citizenship is bullshit afterall.

How so?

Originally posted by Robtard
How so?

It seems to be random and idiotic. We should just form a Global Anarchistic Society and live in peace doped (yeah, I'm a tree hugging liberal pussy)

Originally posted by Bardock42
It seems to be random and idiotic. We should just form a Global Anarchistic Society and live in peace doped (yeah, I'm a tree hugging liberal pussy)

Not sure it's random, as nations are not random nor are borders. The "idiotic" part is subjective I guess.
(At least you can admit your faults)

Originally posted by Robtard
Not sure it's random, as nations are not random nor are borders. The "idiotic" part is subjective I guess.
(At least you can admit your faults)

Nations and borders are kinda random though. I dunno, I think thinks that do not really make much sense are idiotic in my opinion (cause really, for who are the random citizenships we have now an advantage?).

I wouldn't say it is a fault too much, but I can see where the views come from.

No borders thats a good idea, America should just take over the world and stop this nonsence.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Nations and borders are kinda random though. I dunno, I think thinks that do not really make much sense are idiotic in my opinion (cause really, for who are the random citizenships we have now an advantage?).

I wouldn't say it is a fault too much, but I can see where the views come from.

In your case, the advantage to living in Germany and being a German citizen would be social and economic benefits. Would you be alright if Germany spent your tax dollars in building/paying or schools/teachers in Guatemala, Hospitals/doctors in Nigeria and paid retirement benefits to people in Iceland instead of investing that money back into Germany and on the German people first and foremost?

Anyone else notice this is rather insultive for the Mexican governement:

Four-foot-tall second-grader Saul Arellano, a U.S. citizen, was to stand before 500 members of the lower house of the Mexican Congress on Tuesday to plead for their help in lobbying Washington to stop the deportation of his migrant mother, who has taken refuge in a Chicago church.

I mean the kid is practically saying "could you help my mom stay away from your country?"

Originally posted by Robtard
In your case, the advantage to living in Germany and being a German citizen would be social and economic benefits. Would you be alright if Germany spent your tax dollars in building/paying or schools/teachers in Guatemala, Hospitals/doctors in Nigeria and paid retirement benefits to people in Iceland instead of investing that money back into Germany and on the German people first and foremost?

For me. Yes. But what for Paco that didn't have the random advantage of being born in Germany? What about Germany itself. Wouldn't it be better for the country to well..have someone smart or honest or nice or well everything I am not (Batman)?

I see that I have an advantage, I totally see how much I did not deserve it either though.

No, I would invest it on the soil Germans have power over but accept everyone in the country that wants to live here.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Anyone else notice this is rather insultive for the Mexican governement:

I mean the kid is practically saying "could you help my mom stay away from your country?"

Not sure I see it that way, it's more of a "Help me and my mother stay together." plea... But I do find it insulting that the Mexican government has anything to say on how America should handle it's deportation laws/policies considering Mexico has one the most barbaric and ruthless policies against illegals in it's own country.

Originally posted by Robtard
Not sure I see it that way, it's more of a "Help me and my mother stay together." plea... But I do find it insulting that the Mexican government has anything to say on how America should handle it's deportation laws/policies considering Mexico has one the most barbaric and ruthless policies against illegals in it's own country.

It is in a way. I mean if they just want to stay together why can't they just live in Mexico and case over. The kid could just become a Mexican citizen.

Originally posted by Bardock42
For me. Yes. But what for Paco that didn't have the random advantage of being born in Germany? What about Germany itself. Wouldn't it be better for the country to well..have someone smart or honest or nice or well everything I am not (Batman)?

I see that I have an advantage, I totally see how much I did not deserve it either though.

No, I would invest it on the soil Germans have power over but accept everyone in the country that wants to live here.

I am not exactly sure what you're a saying here.... Batman? (I did get the Batman joke)

You did deserve it... I am going to assume you where either born in Germany or you later became a German citizen. I am also going to assume that you work and or pay taxes. Therefore, you do deserve the rights/privileges the a German citizenship affords you in your own country.

No country can allow a blatant open door policy, it would wreck havoc on the country's economics. Germany like any other country has laws and rules for non-Germans wanting citizenship and non-Germans need to follow those laws and go through the processes.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
It is in a way. I mean if they just want to stay together why can't they just live in Mexico and case over. The kid could just become a Mexican citizen.

Here's why:

"Arellano said she should not have to choose between leaving her son behind in the U.S. or bringing him to Mexico, away from his school, friends and familiar environment ."

Which I say bullocks too, she was deported once already and she was using someone else's identity... Go ask someone who has had their identity stolen and how much time (years), money(thousands in some cases) and aggravation (worse than an itch you can't reach) it takes to get it all cleared up.

Originally posted by Robtard
Here's why:

"Arellano said she should not have to choose between leaving her son behind in the U.S. or bringing him to Mexico, [B]away from his school, friends and familiar environment ."

Which I say bullocks too, she was deported once already and she was using someone else's identity... Go ask someone who has had their identity stolen and how much time (years), money(thousands in some cases) and aggravation (worse than an itch you can't reach) it takes to get it all cleared up. [/B]

The identity theft point I agree. As for the earlier point of the kid leaving all that behind. I don't see anything special. Everyday kids leave many things behind when the parents have to relocate or move to a new place because of a job or something else. This is nothing but a new "Elian Gonzales from Cuba" story the media loves to exploit.

Re: Mexican Deportation

Originally posted by Kinneary
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/11/14/mexico.migrants.ap/index.html

Thoughts? Should families of children born in the US be allowed to stay with their children? Should the children be deported along with the parents? Or should the child stay in America and be raised under foster care?

Should be a case-by-case basis. I think the parents should be naturalized.

Re: Re: Mexican Deportation

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Should be a case-by-case basis. I think the parents should be naturalized.

Then all illegal aliens who have had a child on U.S. soil should be naturalized, which would then bring even larger waves of illegals to the U.S. just for that purpose... On that note, you do realize who picks up the $30,000+ hospital bill every time an illegal alien gives birth in a hospital right?