Originally posted by Bardock42
Hmm, nope. No. Drugs should be legal anyways.
And terrorists. Minor thread. Would probably get better if the policies of some of the western countries wouldn't be as fascist as they are anyways. [/B]
Originally posted by Kinneary
I agree with you, but that has absolutely nothing to do with a real world scenario. We're talking about the way the world IS, not the way it should be.Fascist? Are you serious?
Yes it does. Problems that can be disposed by disposing one idiotic law should not count in other scenarips.
And yes, I am serious. You gonna tell me the "terrorists" just hate you because youw ere nice, social and liberal to them?
Yes it does. Problems that can be disposed by disposing one idiotic law should not count in other scenarips.
And yes, I am serious. You gonna tell me the "terrorists" just hate you because youw ere nice, social and liberal to them?
Originally posted by Kinneary
We can sit here and talk about how we would like our perfect nation to be all day. But when the topic is about current immigration laws, I don't see how it's appropriate.Which governments are such staunch supporters of fascism?
Fascist policies, not fascism as a whole. And I have to admit I use fascism loosely to describe authoritarian ideals.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Moreover, the money paid by illegal immigrants and their employers is factored into all the Social Security Administration's projections." i.e. paying towards benefits they will likely never receive.
Most illegal immigrants are paid under the table and neither the employer nor employee pay tax's twards Social Security.
Of course if they are paying tax's then they contribute otherwise, no.
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No, no, it is about how we would like our perfect nation to have immigration laws, is it not?
Fascist policies, not fascism as a whole. And I have to admit I use fascism loosely to describe authoritarian ideals.
Originally posted by Soleran
Most illegal immigrants are paid under the table and neither the employer nor employee pay tax's twards Social Security.Of course if they are paying tax's then they contribute otherwise, no.
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They are also not entitled to social security. And they are hunted down and thrown out of the country, cause people like you are much better than them and deserve work and a good life much more.
Originally posted by Kinneary
But when you start sliding into how they should handle their drug laws we're beginning to dress up the immigration laws in our ideal nations, not the immigration laws in our actual countries.Ah. On that note, then, I support a little bit of those authoritarian ideas. After all, if America were a true democracy, we'd never get anything done.
Alright, so yeah, I didn't say we should open out boarders though, we should make immigration legal (absolutely legal) that does not mean that drug trafficking and terrorizing is legal though, does it?
Yes, I suppose I agree with some, but you also created your worst fear yourself. It's not like terrorists one day woke up and said "Shit, I like totally hate America now".
Alright, so yeah, I didn't say we should open out boarders though, we should make immigration legal (absolutely legal) that does not mean that drug trafficking and terrorizing is legal though, does it?
And no, it doesn't mean drug trafficking and terrorism is legal, it just leaves our borders open to those who would commit those offenses. Our immigration policies to date have proven too lax in allowing those people in.
Yes, I suppose I agree with some, but you also created your worst fear yourself. It's not like terrorists one day woke up and said "Shit, I like totally hate America now".
Originally posted by Kinneary
So what is your ideal immigration policy?And no, it doesn't mean drug trafficking and terrorism is legal, it just leaves our borders open to those who would commit those offenses. Our immigration policies to date have proven too lax in allowing those people in.
Americans are just one target of terrorists, among many others. Regardless, these religious fundamentalists have been out on a lamb for centuries fighting with each other. I don't believe much could have been done to prevent global terrorism.
Not quite sure. I would say let everyone in. Of course check them for weapons and drugs and what not, give them the chance to find a job and housing. Maybe support them. You could have some restrictions to it.
Okay, that is possible, still it is not actually reasonable to fear terrorism ...rather fear ..lets say to be killed by a falling coconut.
Originally posted by Kinneary
To fear terrorism, no. But it is prudent to take specific measures to protect ourselves from ever-escalating attacks, the same way it's smart to protect yourself from a bank fraud, your children from kidnapping, etc. Don't spend every day obsessing over it, but take the necessary precautions.
Yes, but not by toughening up your immigration policy. Or so I think.
Originally posted by Kinneary
Then I guess we've come to one of those rare agreements to disagree you hear about sometimes.
That seems to always occur, when I am right and have good arguments and when the other person wishes not to continue due to the obviousness of their mistakes. In that case we might not even agree to disagree since I might assume that you actually agree but do not want to admit it. Though I doubt that.
That seems to always occur, when I am right and have good arguments and when the other person wishes not to continue due to the obviousness of their mistakes. In that case we might not even agree to disagree since I might assume that you actually agree but do not want to admit it. Though I doubt that.
Originally posted by Robtardnormally we don't see eye to eye but i have to agree with you on this
Here's why:"Arellano said she should not have to choose between leaving her son behind in the U.S. or bringing him to Mexico, [B]away from his school, friends and familiar environment
."Which I say bullocks too, she was deported once already and she was using someone else's identity... Go ask someone who has had their identity stolen and how much time (years), money(thousands in some cases) and aggravation (worse than an itch you can't reach) it takes to get it all cleared up. [/B]
Originally posted by Bardock42
They are also not entitled to social security. And they are hunted down and thrown out of the country, cause people like you are much better than them and deserve work and a good life much more.Alright, so yeah, I didn't say we should open out boarders though, we should make immigration legal (absolutely legal) that does not mean that drug trafficking and terrorizing is legal though, does it?
Yes, I suppose I agree with some, but you also created your worst fear yourself. It's not like terrorists one day woke up and said "Shit, I like totally hate America now".
"Hunted Down"... You're being a bit melodramatic here... With the millions of illegal aliens in California alone and the hundreds that come over each and every day, I do not think they are being "hunted down" like game animals.
Glad to hear you don't believe in an 'Open Door' policy as that would/could ruin a country, any country. Immigration is legal, people migrant to others countries every second of every day and no one has a problem with it when it is done legally.
Originally posted by Bardock42
They are also not entitled to social security. And they are hunted down and thrown out of the country, cause people like you are much better than them and deserve work and a good life much more.
Haha save your drama for someone else.
No one's saying they cannot come to America and benefit from the current system as long as they do it legally.