Superman: Man of Steel

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I have no problem except your constant lies and trolling. If "non-fans" like the movie it would have been a big success.

As it was very few fans and non-fans enjoyed the movie.

Because it hardly made anything after marketing and distribution costs.

Not exactly worth spending another 200mill for a sequel.

And your constant lying about it doubling it's money is getting tiring.

Clearly you need lessons in PR. Singer got flat out fired. Action speaks louder than Singer's desperate words trying to save his reputation.

BB went way past doubling it's budget. SR did not even double it's budget. Not to mention SR spent more on marketing and STILL couldn't double it's own budget.

DC's biggest icon, and former superhero star on the big screen, having his first film in 20 years and not even making Half a Billion WW? And could not even double it's budget? Just face it SR was a HUGE Disappointment and was rightfully considered a failure.

Whilst BB was a decent success, considering the Batman franchise was going down the toilet at the time, yet went way past doubling it's budget.

Singer has explained himself "since then" why his movie didn't work. The guy admits now his Superman was a failure, so stop defending that ass.

lying? how so? if they spent 200 million and earned back 400 million that means not only did they earn back their investment of 200 but earned an additional 200 to equal 400. so technically it did double its money.

i never denied that WB rebooted supes or got rid of singer, in fact it's the whole basis of the point i was trying to make to you, that sequels aren't solely based on box office profits. you denying this plus ignoring the references i provided is juvenile.

i don't know why i have to keep informing you but singer is not in charge of the marketing or its budget. movie budget; marketing budget, two separate things. get it?

SR was a failure but not for reasons you are stating alone. i even posted the article link where WB stated the movie did well financially but felt it should had more, like half a billion, just like you claim.

as far as me defending singer, that's not the case and my dislike of singer is well documented in this forum and thread.

unlike you though i don't mind the truths about the movie, instead you just spread the usual troll of internet fanboy hyperbole.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER

BB went way past doubling it's budget. SR did not even double it's budget. Not to mention SR spent more on marketing and STILL couldn't double it's own budget.

just for shits and giggles we'll apply your logic:

since you like to include marketing so much into the movie budget i'll help educate you some more.

BB movie budget was 150 million. their marketing budget was 100 million. totaling 250 million.

BB box office return was $374 million. with a difference of 124 million.

hardly double. thanks for playing.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
He said that after it was obvious SR wasn't going to be a big success, and probably after a lot of complaints of people saying "what is this s***".

Getting rid of him was the right decision.

I don't disagree; I just can't help thinking that the sequel would have been better than SR.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't disagree; I just can't help thinking that the sequel would have been better than SR.

BB and SR were almost neck in neck in costs and returns, but the main reason BB sequel moved forward was that it received positive word of mouth. with SR the criticism got worse and worse as time passed and WB knew a sequel would under perform severely.

No doubt.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't disagree; I just can't help thinking that the sequel would have been better than SR.

I'm sure it would have been. But I remember hearing Singer saying the sequel will be a "Wrath of Khan" type sequel, and just thinking the guy deserves a slap for not doing that in the first place.

And I just didn't like the set up of that world. Superman with a son, Lois with someone else and Superman probably still crying about it. No chance of Lex Luthor being a big CEO or Presidential candidate. Really not the best side stories for Superman.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I'm sure it would have been. But I remember hearing Singer saying the sequel will be a "Wrath of Khan" type sequel, and just thinking the guy deserves a slap for not doing that in the first place.

And I just didn't like the set up of that world. Superman with a son, Lois with someone else and Superman probably still crying about it. No chance of Lex Luthor being a big CEO or Presidential candidate. Really not the best side stories for Superman.

I'm surprised that we agree on something.
What you just said was an understatement of how terrible SR is.
I don't think Singer should allowed to direct any type of action film, He would be better suited for oxygen or lifetime channels for his emotional and dramatic approach to films. Not bashing the guy, I'm just reading his track record....and for the record all the x-men films were just plain sad.
I have no desire to watch Hugh Jackman in low cut jeans with his shirt off and why are X-Men in black leather?

it makes me sad that Singer is making the new x-men movie...

Originally posted by -Pr-
it makes me sad that Singer is making the new x-men movie...

X-2 was his best among the X-Men films. However, all films with the xception (yes, I know) of First class were really Wolverine movies. I hope he can buck the trend with his new one.

x-men 1 is barely passable, imo. I hated 2, but then again, I've never been a Wolverine fan.

Originally posted by -Pr-
x-men 1 is barely passable, imo. I hated 2, but then again, I've never been a Wolverine fan.

I can see why you hated it. It was heavy on Wolverine's erased past.

What disappointed me the most in this movie franchise were the lack of classic mutants in the present timeline. Why was Gambit in the 60s? Why was Emma Frost in the 60s when she was a classic villain? Heck, why was she in the Wolverine movie as a teen that occurred after First Class? Colossus was a waste. We didn't see Beast until the 3rd movie and Cyclops death was stupid.

X-2 was awesome

Originally posted by Femi32
I can see why you hated it. It was heavy on Wolverine's erased past.

What disappointed me the most in this movie franchise were the lack of classic mutants in the present timeline. Why was Gambit in the 60s? Why was Emma Frost in the 60s when she was a classic villain? Heck, why was she in the Wolverine movie as a teen that occurred after First Class? Colossus was a waste. We didn't see Beast until the 3rd movie and Cyclops death was stupid.

I like First Class, but that's the only one I've really liked so far.

Between Singer leaning way too heavily on the gay analogies, the sub-standard action and the jostling between Halle Berry and everyone else for screen time, the first three kind of bug me, tbh.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
X-2 was awesome

Get. Out.

Originally posted by -Pr-

Get. Out.

Wait, what?

And yes, it did suck, except for Colossus tossing two dudes through a wall, Nightcrawler's intro, and Kelly Hu in a catsuit.

I think they killed off Cyclops because he was going to be in SR.. I guess singer convinced him that it was gonna be all good..

Originally posted by super pr*xy
I think they killed off Cyclops because he was going to be in SR.. I guess singer convinced him that it was gonna be all good..

this is true..

best x men film has been X2 and First Class. The Wolverine may change that though, IMO

Originally posted by Zack Fair
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The entire scene was shit.

That scene and the tentacle rape are what keeps me from giving the movie a 10/10.

I also felt that they were two of the weakest scenes in the movie.

I understand that they were trying to do something different with Jonathan's death, but it really just wasn't very dramatic in the way it played out. In the old version, Jonathan's death showed Clark that there were very real limitations to his abilities - he literally could not save his father despite his great powers, he wasn't a god. It was more tragic and taught him something he would never forget. In the new version it was "well I could have saved him if nobody was watching." All those times on the school bus and oil rig where he did things in front of people, and then that happens.

The tentacle scene was well, just boring. Visually it isn't that interesting watching Superman messing about with some steel tentacles and too much CGI.

As for the rest of the movie, I might disagree with some aspects of the pacing, plot, & characterization, and the handling of the secret identity, but it was overall pretty good and I enjoyed it more than I thought I would. Way better than Superman Returns.

While I miss the Superman of old (comics and movies) I think the movie was on the right track for DC.

Man of Steel crosses the $600m mark.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=superman2012.htm