AWE Ending

Originally posted by lovethemtigers
Oh and by the way...the only reason I went out and bought the DVD for Pirates of the Caribbean after seeing it when I rented it...was one reason...Captain Jack Sparrow.....it had nothing to do with Will and Elizabeth.....in fact, I thought their relationship was nauseating, but that's just me.........the only reason I went to see DMC in the theatres was because Keira said at the premiere that she gets to kiss Johnny...and I was like.."WHAT?" that's what i've been secretly hoping for since movie 1.....and then I became obsessed with DMC after I saw it and saw the magical chemistry between jack and liz....and the great scenes in the movie...definitely not the dice game (I hated that part of the movie, to be honest).....so that's how I find myself here today....a desperate J/E fan.....someone who is angry that they took the great Captain Jack Sparrow....developed him into a deep and intriguing character beyond the rogue we fell in love with in POTC and then leaving him out to dry...a victim of unrequited love....don't like it one bit

You said it....I agree with you. The thing is, with me, my JE obsession started with a fanfic, though I could see the chemistry in CotPB and found the WE BORING. (Not to mention that Capt Jack/Johnny captured my heart and I was pissed that he didn't get the girl)It started to grow and soon I loathed Will and WE completely and started looking for all kinds of signs in P1...When I learned that there would be a Kiss between JE in DMC I was ecstatic. After I saw it, I sooo wanted them to be together, but I've always been a pessimist and I never truly believed that we would get what we wanted and I've resigned myself to WE(though I HATE it)...and I agree with you, to have Jack being unrequited in love is NOT to my liking. It would have been better if they never kissed or if TnT never wrote so much flirting into DMC.
I'm annoyed that AWE most likely will be "haha got you with the JE didn't we, nanananana" 😠
Ah well, there is always fanfiction...

Originally posted by Alina
You said it....I agree with you. The thing is, with me, my JE obsession started with a fanfic, though I could see the chemistry in CotPB and found the WE BORING. (Not to mention that Capt Jack/Johnny captured my heart and I was pissed that he didn't get the girl)It started to grow and soon I loathed Will and WE completely and started looking for all kinds of signs in P1...When I learned that there would be a Kiss between JE in DMC I was ecstatic. After I saw it, I sooo wanted them to be together, but I've always been a pessimist and I never truly believed that we would get what we wanted and I've resigned myself to WE(though I HATE it)...and I agree with you, to have Jack being unrequited in love is NOT to my liking. It would have been better if they never kissed or if TnT never wrote so much flirting into DMC.
I'm annoyed that AWE most likely will be "haha got you with the JE didn't we, nanananana" 😠
Ah well, there is always fanfiction...

yes, and there's always youtube.....i've downloaded many of those vids so I can continue to watch them even if they are ever removed....which they be soon come time for the DVD to be released...dunno just a thought.....

Originally posted by lovethemtigers
yes, and there's always youtube.....i've downloaded many of those vids so I can continue to watch them even if they are ever removed....which they be soon come time for the DVD to be released...dunno just a thought.....

Hmm, maybe I should do that as well...I have like 100 on my favourites list...Something to do on a boring Sunday! 😉

Originally posted by calypso
Ltt & Willo I agree with both of you.

And Willo even TnT said Captain Jack Sparrow is exactly as they wrote him, but the way JD played CJS was not at all what they had envisioned
or expected.

It's just like in these threads. Ppl say something and because you cannot see them or tell by the inflection in their voice, someone becomes offended.

I still think we will like the outcome and I am not giving up and I will be there on opening day.

My passion is not just J/E in DMC, but JD and that roguish smile and the sexy way he moves. I still say he has courtly movements and mannerisms. But, don't get me wrong, I would love to see the fairytale ending of J/E.

Calypso, I agree with you.....for me, although I am in love with the J/E pairing...obsessed actually, I love JD as JS and that's what first drew me to the movies....yes, I can't wait to find out what the real mystery is behind our dear Captain Jack Sparrow...yes, love seeing his rougish smile, his mannerisms...love seeing him get himself out of tight spots and I love to just see him period....so, I will see AWE if for no other reason than to see Johnny D.....one more time as our beloved Captain Jack Sparrow...but they better make him a hero, they better not leave him a victim of unrequited love....that would be terrible....but there is just something about seeing a sexy man being in a love scene...that's why that kiss is so hot....maybe it is all about Johnny...forget Keira/elizabeth...just give me Jack/ Johnny....LOL

oh god tigers! standing ovation
I agree so much..

IMO they have actually ruined what could have been one of the most interesting romances to develop on screen in a very long time.

I know Pirates life fo says the movie got to 1 billion because movie 1 did so well..

Well thats true but that only really effects the opening weekend. The success of a previous movie usually is only reflected in the opening weekend gross of its sequel..

If something really works then people keep going back to see it again and again. That is when it gets to 1 billion...I had to learn all of this.

when a movie gets to 1 billion thats mainly because people become die hard fans of it and this mostly happens because of a romance aspect like Titanic or because its an end to an epic like Lord of the rings. PotC DMC is kinda a mixture of both possibly??

And its not because of the ride..for one most of the planet don't even know the ride exists and have never been on it in their life yet they are die hard fans of the movie (me for one although I know it exists but I dont love it)..Its the story people go to watch they don't go there to watch ride references.

haunted mansion is a loved ride isn't it?? that movie flopped..its the quality of the stories and Jack sparrow thats the main reason for PotC's success..and DMC's story was based around Jack and Elizabeth..the main climax revolves around the two..because the whole movie built to it...which means J/E is the prime theme of DMC..and this is obviously what people enjoyed about it..plus everything else that comes along with PotC which was theree in movie 1.

And Tigers I agree with you on the whole using Jack as a spanner..that is what upsets me the most..people care more about Jack Sparrow than Will Turner..and they chose the wrong guy to use as a spanner in the works of a sickening W/E relationship IMO..

Jack is not a back up character to be used like that..he is the STAR, He's not Norrington. it pisses me off that they used him in a similar way to Norrington in CotBP...Jack is far more precious to the audience than that..they shouldnt have done it with him.

Originally posted by LovelyOne
oh god tigers! standing ovation
I agree so much..

IMO they have actually ruined what could have been one of the most interesting romances to develop on screen in a very long time.

I know Pirates life fo says the movie got to 1 billion because movie 1 did so well..

Well thats true but that only really effects the opening weekend. The success of a previous movie usually is only reflected in the opening weekend gross of its sequel..

If something really works then people keep going back to see it again and again. That is when it gets to 1 billion...I had to learn all of this.

when a movie gets to 1 billion thats mainly because people become die hard fans of it and this mostly happens because of a romance aspect like Titanic or because its an end to an epic like Lord of the rings. PotC DMC is kinda a mixture of both possibly??

And its not because of the ride..for one most of the planet don't even know the ride exists and have never been on it in their life yet they are die hard fans of the movie (me for one although I know it exists but I dont love it)..Its the story people go to watch they don't go there to watch ride references.

haunted mansion is a loved ride isn't it?? that movie flopped..its the quality of the stories and Jack sparrow thats the main reason for PotC's success..and DMC's story was based around Jack and Elizabeth..the main climax revolves around the two..because the whole movie built to it...which means J/E is the prime theme of DMC..and this is obviously what people enjoyed about it..plus everything else that comes along with PotC which was theree in movie 1.

I agree.....the success of the movie has nothing to do with it being a beloved ride...yeah, that's what attracted some to the original movie...but it was Captain Jack Sparrow that made it successful..and then his character development in DMC that catapulted that one over the one billion mark....I guarantee you...if it ends with a similar twist...a J/E ending for AWE..then it could possibly pass Titanic...

also, I agree that movie 2 is about the J/E relationship....they over this overlying them about Jack has a debt to pay to Davy Jones...his soul, etc. blah, blah, blah...but if that were the main theme...then why isn't Jack's compass working...why is there such focus on the one big symbol of DMC..the compass....THE COMPASS...the compass that doesn't point north ....it points to the thing you want MOST in this world....when does the compass finally appear to work..when Elizabeth shows up in Tortuga..loading the Pearl....and when she holds it...it points to JACk....if it was suppose to be the chest on the island..why did the camera focus on Jack, why did she get mad, why did Norrie have that "oh please" look on his face...Why does Beckett want the compass.....Will needs the compass to free Liz....People say Jack was selfish and betrayed Will...but isn't that what Will was really trying to do with Jack...he wanted the compass for his own selfish reasons, to free the bonny lass, what's her name.....if Jack just hands the compass over to will to bring to Beckett...what does that do....Jack is actually protecting everyone involved when he sends Will to find the key....he knows he cannot let Beckett control the sea...he knows what it will mean for the ex-slaves, the pirates, etc...he knows Beckett...he probably knows he won't uphold his end of the bargain with Will, Jack is a smart man.....

Will is the bloody stupid one.....I still believe Jack actually did Will a favor sending him onto the Flying Dutchman...he knew Will was safer there than with him...he knew Will would get in his way...he knew Will would meet up with his father, who would protect him, he knew Davy would not really accept Will as payment for his debt.....he knows Beckett wants the compass to control the sea...but Will doesnt'....

So, how stupid would it have been for Jack to just willingly hand the compass over to Will...duh...Jack's a smart man...
I wish Will supporters would just realise this...and Jack did not actually Lie to Elizabeth....he just misled her, he was telling the truth about the compass and the chest...he just fibbed a little about how Will got on board the Flying Dutchman..cuz he knew she wouldn't understand his motives.....

But...it's Will who is going to betray Jack in AWE...and that more than anything is going to make me really dislike Will more and more.....

I've hated Will(and Orlando) for a long time, if he does anything to my beloved Jack, I won't answer to the concequences.
It irritates me how TnT seem to constantly try and convince us that Will is an interesting character, the main character,when 95% of the audience goes to see the movies because of JACK/JOHNNY...Not Binky...If they had an actor, who doesn't always overact, to play Will, things would be a little more interesting. The Character of Will is so one-dimesional and to have an actor like O.Bloom to play him is a bad casting choice. IMO, he is the weakest one of the whole actors-group.

I agree with everything you say lovethemtigers. I have a feeling Elizabeth may have realized what Jack's motives were whilst she was in Tia's hut..she is a pirate too, she's very much like Jack she made a whole ship do what she wanted it to do without raising a finger just like Jack. and I think she may have realized that Jack didn't do that to Will in a cold hearted way..He was doing it for a rather noble purpose. He didn't want pirates to die out as well as himself...

which makes me think of what Elizabeth's actions have actually done to Jack in AWE..she appears to have made that honest and good man disappear in that draft script

I agree Will is rather annoying, If they want me to be rooting for him to be with Liz at the end of AWE..I can tell you making him betray Jack is not the way to go.

Alina I agree with you when it comes to T&T having a habit of making Will be the most deserving person all the time..they are trying to give him depth but are the critics reviews just not getting through to them?? Because people dont care about Will Turner..Even when I wasnt a shipper you dont understand how bored I was watching them trying to give Will more screen time on the dutchman, the liars dice was so bloody boring. I was like where is Jack??

if they go into depth with any character of course the majority of the audience are going to only be interested in Jack's character and back story not Will's.

It's a pity...I remember all to well, how Ted or Terry, some time ago, on their forum, started complaining about how Johnny got all the attention...Yes, POTC is a team effort, but if it hadn't been for Johnny's Capt Jack, we wouldn't be sitting here, because then there would have been no sequels.....

I think they just dont like the thought of having a character that no one really cares about..and so they are trying to make him more accepted...

Could be....But I have a spooky feeling that AWE will be very Will-focused and frankly I don't want to see more Will. I want more Jack, more Liz, more Norry, heck even more Beckett. It wouldn't surprise me if they turn AWE into a Will Show, might be their attempt to make people like him. Good Luck with that *sarcasm*
Well, I'm off. See you later.

yeah I agree...with you..I would rather see Liz develop more than him..because it irks me how they say movie 1 was Elizabeth's story?? how is it?? It was more Will's than anything.

yh thts true (beginning- when he gt saved end- when he used his blood 4 the curse)

...interesting how the mast of the ship almost looks like an alter and she leaves Jack there..

that scene was Jack's "sacred marriage" that usually comes at the step he's at ..after facing step 8: "the supreme ordeal" its then step 9: "taking the reward"..

if its a woman there's usually a love scene/sacred marriage..I dunno if that was a proper marriage or if she left him before it could happen...

I'm guessing it may have been a sort of marriage because of the line "widowed before marriage, searching for her husband lost at sea".She cant even be a widow unless she was married, lost that man and is then going to re-marry.. and so she has married Jack and now she's searching for him because he IS now lost at sea and dead to her.

He seems to say "I do" with the "pirate" she refuses and runs away...but the fact she almost kisses him again suggests that its her saying "I do" cuz terry, in the commentary says that her doing that means she has to admit that she does have a desire to be with him or something..

Davy Jones anyone?

I'm wondering if Calypso was in fact married to Davy and then left him and that is how he became a monster in terms of personality

Applause for Ltt, LO and Alina.

IMO TnT wanted this to be a story about Lizzie and how a young woman grows up to follow her dream. I also think they envisioned W/L being the main focus with CJS being a secondary character, according to what they wrote for him.

If say Sean Penn, John Malkovich, Matthew McConnahe, Chevy Chase, oh hey you choose one, no one would have stood out in their portrayal of CJS like JD. Everyone keeps talking about JD's over the top creation of CJS. I never was a JD fan before COTBP, but I have since gone to the trouble to find every one of his films and see them. As an actor, he is phenomenal. He was the choice of Jerry & Gore because they knew what he could do with a character. He was always the principal principal. Someone tell me where his characterization of CJS is too over the top. He's a pirate.

Keira came next about the same time as Geoffrey Rush and then Orly signed the day before he started shooting and arrived on location in time to shoot the sword scene with Gov. Swann. Orly didn't even know if he wanted to do pirates because it was too risky. So TnT's whining is just about to tick me off. If they are nominated for any award or win any of them this year it's because JOHNNY DEPP developed one of their characters into an Oscar winning performance and delivered to them 1 BILLION $$$$ for his trouble. Without JD, their nice DMC would have been a not so seen summer blockbuster and he could have taken his paycheck and gone home.

Their comments are ludicrous and contradictory. But, they are still trying to sell AWE.

Let's all stay calm and don't do anything RASH like Will. Keep the faith.

Calypso would have had to be mortal in order to marry Davy, because he was mortal. She was a sea siren. She may have appeared to him in human form, but I cannot crossover to that in my imagination. Can anyone else?

I always thought she was crazy about CJS and acted a his protector more than his lover.

I thought the story was that she was going to marry him but left him at the altar, so they would have been only engaged.

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I think she was with him and then left him