Honestly i have to say that this has Truely been the YEAR OF THE PIRATE!! Johnny Depp made pirates COOL again!!! And Yes JOHNNY is carrying this Movie on his BACK!! I mean the whole cast is amazing dont get me wrong but JOHNNY....well he's JOHNNY...and he DELIVERED!!! JOHNNY has created a character that will go down in history....JACK SPARROW along with JOHNNY DEPP have now become a legends!!! even though Johnny has made a name for himself before....this just put him over the TOP!!!
Okay, LovelyOne, I see what you're trying to say about feeling sorry for Jack, but come on! We all knew when we left the theater, that Jack was going to be alright. I mean, he practically waltzed into the Kraken's mouth. He's the infamous Captain Jack Sparrow, savvy? He can do anything. Will on the other hand, is just starting to get familiar to his pirate side. You guys keep on saying, "Will is a whelp. He's not a pirate" but give him a break. If you just found out you were a pirate you wouldn't immediately start doing pirate actions. He's not going to be like, "Since I'm a pirate now, I think I'll go rob some people" ALL CHARACTERS develop in a movie. He just needs to come out of his shell. Yes, I will admit that I feel more sorry for him than I do for Jack. Will saw him girlfriend kiss another man AFTER he fell and bust his ass and Liz didn't even come to see if he was alright. Also, he got whipped by his own freaking FATHER! And you say that I have no reason to feel sorry for him?! Pssh! Trust me, Jack knows how to brush his shoulder off and move on, but Will is like a puppy. He needs LOVE, and Liz is just not giving any to him.
But, I'm still more of Jack fan than Will. I'm just saying that I really do get frustrated when people give a character with great value, no credit.
Well first of Im sorry everyone is going through stressed times right now. I dont have all night to read every single post and I appoligize but I dont have enough time. But I do like to comment an opinion of my own.
Im gonna start by saying that I dont believe this. I know "big help" and no I have no proof, but its just I dont bbuy this. They havent even started writing the 4th. I thought for you to make a contract you have to have the script written already. Johnny wants to keep going but hasnt signed any contracts yet. So what makes you think keira will then.
This kind of dont make sense. Remember all those rumors about killing orlando and disney came to the rescue denying it. Now Disney sooner or later is gonna deny all this BS.
I have heard that Terry dont know if keira has said that she was gonna keep going for pirates 4 or not. I knew this was fake right away. If keira wants to or not should the writers know first? Its reall between her and the writers, they are the ones who writes the story, so why tell the press first other than the ones who made you the character and made you famous for the role??
I smell BS in here and again I have no proof...but I just dont buy it.
I'm sticking to my guns, and every interview I've seen....Calypso I agree...without Johnny D.....and with Alina....and Lovely, Kate, PirateDiva, Misty Pirates, J D 4life, and Chiki.......without Johnny D none of us would even still be sitting here today having these discussions....without his absolutley fabulous portrayal of Jack Sparrow....there would have been no DMC....and yes, sorry - but I can't help it...i've tried to like Will, I really did.....but I just think he's boring and he's bloody stupid....when I'm in the theatre watching DMC for the first time and they are having all those scenes with Will on the Flying Dutchman I was thinking to myself "okay, this movie is crap, where is Captain Jack..." I was really disliking the movie up to that point, for me the best parts of the movie start in Tortuga when Jack is sitting behind the plant "i know what I want"...then NOrrington shows up...gosh, what a great part, Ilove that...and then Elizabeth shows up..and then the scene "Captain Sparrow".."come to join my crew lad, welcome aboard"....."i've come to find the man I lvoe..."......."elizabeth, hide the rum...you know, these clothes do no flatter you a'tall, it should be a dress or nothing"...I sat up in my chair and was like...okay, now this is getting interesting..and then the stupid liar's dice scene came on..which I sitll don't understand....oh well, have to run....
Originally posted by JD_4_Life
Okay, LovelyOne, I see what you're trying to say about feeling sorry for Jack, but come on! We all knew when we left the theater, that Jack was going to be alright.
wanna bet on that? Trust me...Jack Sparrow is not gonna be fine and dandy when he's in purgatory and gets pulled out. Its gonna affect him in ways we never thought possible of Jack. because Jack is not a 1 dimensional character who never changes..he has a lot of depth and it really annoys me that people only see him as if he has one layer and is just the comic relief all the time..he's not.he's very tragic actually..
Will is a bastard..have you not seen the leaked script?
He trades Jack the moment he comes back so that he can have his ship
if T&T are trying to make us root for Will to get the girl over Jack.IMO they are going the wrong way about it by making him betray everyons favorite character.
Why are they using Jack as if he;s a ****ing rag doll to be trhown around so that W/E can end "happily" ever after..
Also JD for life..I dont feel sorry for Will because Liz kissed him. I feel sorry for Jack putting his life on the line and gaining feelings for a woman who could give a shit about him it seems..
remind you of Calypso and Davy Jones?
if not..I'm sure AWE will get that point across right from the get go.
Jack is a shell of a human being..He's not alright..in movie 1 whilst he was on the beach we saw his weakness...when he doesnt have anything to his name we see him for what he really is underneath, as a rather tragic, weak, cowardly man..
Yet again though..people just laughed at that despite seeing that Jack underneath has nothing in life to live for but material possesions and whores..what human being can honestly say money buys them happines?? Jack is not happy with the way he lives his life IMO..no human would be after years and years of it..by DMC..Jack is starting to feel the void created by this kind of on a large scale IMO.
movie 2 showed us that even material objects cant keep him safe and strong, his pearl cant, land cant, the sea cant and Elizabeth doesnt seem to be the answer either..so what on earth is this man going to live for once everything is taken away from him in the future when pirate kind comes to an end? Every time Jack shows people who he really is they turn it around on him and treat him like shit..it really does hurt him..what a sad thing to happen to a man who has such an honest nature deep down...by movie 3 according to T&T Jack begins to truly loathe the honest side of himself because every time he displays it to people they run away from him and leave him to die basically *cough* davy Jones *cough*
poor Jack..
Originally posted by LovelyOne
Also JD for life..I dont feel sorry for Will because Liz kissed him. I feel sorry for Jack putting his life on the line and gaining feelings for a woman who could give a shit about him it seems..remind you of Calypso and Davy Jones?
if not..I'm sure AWE will get that point across right from the get go.
Jack is a shell of a human being..He's not alright..in movie 1 whilst he was on the beach we saw his weakness...when he doesnt have anything to his name we see him for what he really is underneath, as a rather tragic, weak, cowardly man..
Yet again though..people just laughed at that despite seeing that Jack underneath has nothing in life to live for but material possesions and whores..what human being can honestly say money buys them happines?? Jack is not happy with the way he lives his life IMO..no human would be after years and years of it..by DMC..Jack is starting to feel the void created by this kind of on a large scale IMO.
movie 2 showed us that even material objects cant keep him safe and strong, his pearl cant, land cant, the sea cant and Elizabeth doesnt seem to be the answer either..so what on earth is this man going to live for once everything is taken away from him in the future when pirate kind comes to an end? Every time Jack shows people who he really is they turn it around on him and treat him like shit..it really does hurt him..what a sad thing to happen to a man who has such an honest nature deep down...by movie 3 according to T&T Jack begins to truly loathe the honest side of himself because every time he displays it to people they run away from him and leave him to die basically *cough* davy Jones *cough*
poor Jack..
🙁 I agree Lovely, I sure hope that Jack is redeemed in movie 3....that he finds true happiness.....Jack is a very lonely man, deep down inside...that's why he carries on with such antics....he's hiding his true nature....I know we say Jack is a Pirate...but he was forced to become a Pirate....think about. Real true pirates are nasty, mean, theiving, murdering, raping, maddening individuals...like Barboosa....and those other nasty pirates in his crew of miscreants.....look at Jack. He is nothing like those other Pirates....he may look like one...although he is absolutely gorgeous despire his dirty hands, he may be mischevious and use people as leverage (to protect everyone around him in the end)...but he is not really and truly a Pirate...he's a good man, with a good heart....i think we will find that in the end Will is the true Pirate...the murdering, nasty, hateful Pirate...like Barbossa...and perhaps, Liz is too....Jack is more like a Privateer...without sanction from the EITC....he doesn't raid, pillage and plunder....he tries so hard to be a real Pirate...but he's really not...he's a good man. Look at Gibbs and Cotton and Marty and Pintel and Ragetti....do they truly have Pirate personalities...no, because they couldn't desert Jack...they didn't stick to the code and leave him behind....because they are not really, truly Pirates....they are social outcast who have been forced into the pirate lifestyle but are not really....do you understand where I'm coming from....what does all this mean....Ragetti is trying to read the bible, he's tired of being bad. Gibbs is like a father figure to Jack. I've never seen any of them do anything really horrible...except in POTC 1 when Pintel and Ragetti were part of Barbossa' crew of miscreants......
Jack was branded a pirate by Beckett...but was he committing any crime...no, I think Beckett branded him that so that Jack would be an outcast...because he refused to do Beckett's dirty work...he refused to transport the slaves, he refused to be mean and cruel to women and children....once I read where a Will supporter said that Jack was a nasty Pirate with scurvey and dirty, ratty hair and has bad breath, that he's comitted ungodly crimes.....but I have seen no evidence that Jack has comitted any crime greater than lifting a few items from Tia's cabin, taking the money bag on the dock at the beginning of POTC....and knowing Jack, he probably gave that money to a poor, helpless individual on the streets of Port Royal.....at the end they said he impersonated the clergy...I bet if he did it was to help someone get out of a tight spot...cuz Jack's like that....remember he hates that honest side of himself cuz it gets him in trouble....everytime Jack does the right thing, people take advantage of him....he's trying to help Will save Elizabeth and what does Will do...knock him over the head with a paddle....Jack tries to keep Will's identity a secret from Barbossa and what does Will do...he tells Barbossa who he is and thus endangers Jack and Elizabeth when they are forced to jump into the ocean and swim to the deserted Island....Jack comes back to the Pearl to help Elizabeth and the rest of them escape...and what happens, a person he opens his heart too, shows his unverability to....chains him to a mast and leaves him to die....because she is too bloody stupid to realize she actually loves the man, that he is the man for her not Will....but I think she will discover this truth in AWE....if not, well, then. Death to the B****!
Look how Jack is acting in that last scene..."she's only a ship, Mate".....We are not free yet, luv"....the way he is looking at Lizzie just before the kiss is breath taking...I think his eyes were telling her how much she means to him in that seen...eyes and mannerisms speak volumes, more than words at certain times....and then Liz acts an a selfish impulse...she wants to know what Jack tastes like....she can't resist, then she also wants to act like a Pirate..so she sacrifices him so she and the others can escapse...but Liz is young and confused...she doesn't really grasp the magnitude of what she has done until she gets to Tia's cabin....to her it was almost like a game...to show Jack that she could be piratey...that he and her are alike....PIRATE....I don't believe she wants to rescue Jack simply because she feels guilty...
And again, as we've said many times...interesting how both movies end and begin in similar fashion...that cannot be coincidence...I think T and T intended...if not, then they didn't realize what they were doing....movie one..Liz is singing the Pirate song on a ship looking out into the ocean, she teaches Jack the pirate song and then he is singing it on a ship looking into the ocean at the end.....then movie 1...Liz is crying and looking miserable in the rain, it ends with Liz crying (we see Jack in a coffin) and looking miserable in Tia's cabin (jack was last seen being swallowed by the Kracken)....
Sorry for the long post I just have so many thoughts about the movie right now...a movie I'm suppose to be letting go of...but can't seem to....especially the closer we get to Dec. 5
LoveThemTigers you 🤘 that was wonderful I agree with you 100%. I think Elizabeth will realize that what she did was wrong. Also I agree with that she's not going to the end of the world and beyond to get Jack because she fells guilty she's doing it because she realizes that she does love him and wants him back. I don't know if you had read the Dead Man's Chest comic book that Disney did put out. But in the last scene of that comic book when Tia asks them what they be willing to do to bring Jack back Elizabeth says': I'll go down to Davy Jones Locker if that what it takes" Interesting right?
Lovethemtigers I agree with you on everything you say
Also I really do love the way Jack is just looking at Elizabeth there before she kisses him. Jack is most honest when he is silent..he barley says 2 words in that entire scene..the way he is looking at her is exactly how he feels..he's honest..he's being who he really is, he's laid bare again and Liz knows it the *****..notice no swaying on the spot..no smirking because he thinks hes gonna get a kiss..he's being dead serious, he's being his honest self. He wants her more than anything and not just for sex..if he was lusting after her here it would look very different. And yes he does look down at her lips..but its not a lusting way..he just looks at them
*swoon* its getting hot in here... all that talk of pirate kisses... wow.
you guys are amazing, seriously. everything you have said is so poignant and true.
Lovethemtigers, I so agree with you. if Elizabeth and Jack don't end up together in some vein, then by all means, IMO, Elizabeth can drown herself to save Will or whatever. lol. 😉