Big Boss vs Resident Evil 4

Originally posted by Nikkolas
A. Liquid Snake is not a direct clone of Big Boss. He possesses all of his dominant genes. Only Solidus is an exact duplicate of BB.
B. I don’t really care if BB can survive falling 100 meters. Can he survive getting Krauser’s Plagas arm rammed into his skull? I find that unlikely. I also find it unlikely he’ll survive Saddler’s spike effortlesly ripping through his body.
C. I’d like to see Krauser fight The Boss and Volgin too. He’d pretty easily destroy them.

A. Doesn't matter what genes he has, he's still a Big Boss clone, Solid got all recessive genes and still beat both BB and Liquid. Soliduss was just well-balanced clone, not an "exact" duplicate, atleast not more than Liquid or solid. They are all simillar.
B. The question is - can Krauser ram his arm into Snake's skull before getting his both legs and neck broken? And the answer is - no. And super-speed is not a factor here.
C. He'd pretty easilly get his butt frighed and his both legs sticked in his mouth, that's for sure. 10 million volts and punches that could break through Shagohod's armour (that can take RBG shots without being scratched). I'd like to see Krauzer's pathetic efforts...

Originally posted by Nikkolas

You apparently missed the part where Krauser had his heart explode and then that bomb go off right in his face. With his entire body burned he still was jumping around and fighting Ada. Did Big Boss actually bullet-time or just dodge a bullet? Big difference. Krauser moved in a blur and Saddler covered the 20 or so feet between him and Leon in a flash and sent Leon flying another good 5 feet or so with nothing but his palm smacking him in an open-hand strike.

There's no reason to believe Big Boss couldn't survive what Leon did. Need I remind you that Leon survived all of that while being infected and ocasionally passing out?

A. Doesn't matter what genes he has, he's still a Big Boss clone, Solid got all recessive genes and still beat both BB and Liquid. Soliduss was just well-balanced clone, not an "exact" duplicate, atleast not more than Liquid or solid. They are all simillar.

And it still doesn’t matter. Attributing every feat of theirs to Big Boss is a very 1st grade way to debate. Afterall, you listed a ton of very impressive things that failed to kill Liquid. The person he was cloned from however, was killed by hairspray.

B. The question is - can Krauser ram his arm into Snake's skull before getting his both legs and neck broken? And the answer is - no. And super-speed is not a factor here.

That’s pretty stupid. Super-speed is always a fctor when one person on the team has it and the other does not. Snake does not have the capability to keeup up with Krauser. He’s simply a human being who can not touch a man who moves in blurs. If you’re gonna blatantly ignore that fact, then don’t debate.

C. He'd pretty easilly get his butt frighed and his both legs sticked in his mouth, that's for sure. 10 million volts and punches that could break through Shagohod's armour (that can take RBG shots without being scratched). I'd like to see Krauzer's pathetic efforts...

I could easily use yours and other’s failed logic and say because a simple unspecial human being in BB can do it, Krauser can do it. BTW, no way Volgin is hitting him with his 10,000 volts or punches. Not fast enough. Super-speed is a factor but you seem not to understand how to debate.

Grey Fox that moves in blur, cuts bullets with katana in mid-air, can lift over 200 tons and uses stealth camouflage that makes him invisible was beat by Snake. ]/quote]

If you’re bias enough to even think that Fox, who can take his entire body being smashed by REX’s foot and still be alive, was horribly effected by Snake, then I’m very sorry for you. It wa s ahand-to-hand battle and Snake is not even 1/4 as fast or agile as Fox. In a real fight, Fox could kill him before Snake would blink.

[quote]All this speaks for itself, what on earth makes you think that Krauzer would be a problem for Snake?

The fact:
A. He can block every bullet Big Boss fires.
B. He can move faster than Big Boss.
C. He has greater durability than Big Boss.

Pretty easiy to see.

I used to play Resident Evil 2 at night...

The facts:
A. He can block every bullet Leon fires.
B. He can move faster than Leon.
C. He has greater durability than Leon
D. He still got owned by Leon, and then Ada.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
The facts:
A. He can block every bullet Leon fires.
B. He can move faster than Leon.
C. He has greater durability than Leon
[b]D. He still got owned by Leon, and then Ada. [/B]

Amen!! Preach!!

If Leon a jumped up police officer can do it, why can't the ultimate soldier?

The facts:
A. He can block every bullet Leon fires.
B. He can move faster than Leon.
C. He has greater durability than Leon
D. He still got owned by Leon, and then Ada.

Big Boss is not Leon. Big Boss is not controlled by the player. He's given everything he's shown and nothing more. And everything he's shown puts him under the capacity to beat Krauser. Krauser is faster, can block every shot BB fires and has uber-durability. BB is nothing more than a veyr exceptional human being. He won't be able to keep up with Krauser and he won't be able to get passed his defenses.

So you're saying that if we didn't control Leon his adventure would've ended when he confronted Krauser? Is that what you're trying to say? Fact of the matter is Big Boss is more experienced than Leon, has more skills, and has taken on a number of super-natural beings as well. Krauser is but another trophy Big Boss will add to his collection of freaks.

gah

So you're saying that if we didn't control Leon his adventure would've ended when he confronted Krauser? Is that what you're trying to say? Fact of the matter is Big Boss is more experienced than Leon, has more skills, and has taken on a number of super-natural beings as well. Krauser is but another trophy Big Boss will add to his collection of freaks.

Pretty much PIS saves Big Boss and Snake often.

-Fox could have easily killed Snake. If he can hold up Rex's foot and take a full-blown shot from REX smashing him against a wall and still move, Snake's punches aren't likely to have done much.
-Psycho Mantis could have easily yanked Snake's gun away, pointed it at him and shot him in the head.
-The Sorrow is DEAD. How did B beat him? PIS.

The facts are this: Big Boss is HUMAN. Nothing more. He's not fast enough to keeup up with Krauser. He's not equipped enough to get passed Krauser's defenses and nothing he's packing will be enough to stop Krauser. It's pretty damn simple.

Big Boss didn't really fight The Sorrow. All the Sorrow did was make Big Boss hallucinate and watch the "souls" of all the soldiers he had killed. That stunt had no effect on Big Boss what so ever, and thus the Sorrow's ill attempted "attack" went no where.

I don't see it that simple. Big Boss is Leon's superior in every way. Leon and Ada both managed to subdue, and kill Krauser respectively. I don't see why Big Boss who has taken on Volgin & the rest of The Cobra freaks cannot take Krauser.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Big Boss with ease. Leon is tough, but Big Boss is in another league.

Leon could beat her, especially if snake can ermm

anyway Boss would get owned by the crazier version of dr.salvador with the double bladed chainsaw 😛

Leon > Big Boss

So

Resident Evil 4 > Big Boss

Originally posted by Black Dalek
Leon > Big Boss

So

Resident Evil 4 > Big Boss

sorry thinking of the wrong person... but still Leon wins now that I know who it is. ermm

if big boss tried to do what he usually does against humans he would be dead in resident evil. I don't see him hiding from any of the bosses on there. except Krauser he sucks.

I don't see it that simple. Big Boss is Leon's superior in every way. Leon and Ada both managed to subdue, and kill Krauser respectively. I don't see why Big Boss who has taken on Volgin & the rest of The Cobra freaks cannot take Krauser.

Okay. Say Big Boss does miraculously hit Krauser. What is he packing that will put Krauser? Krauser has taken his heart exploding, that bomb right in his face (it levled that entire area and burned his entire body but didn't kill him) but still could move at his full speed and agility in the fight against Ada?

you can kill him with like 14 knife slashes the best he got is if you miss your dodge oppurtinity ermm

Originally posted by Nikkolas
And it still doesn’t matter. Attributing every feat of theirs to Big Boss is a very 1st grade way to debate. Afterall, you listed a ton of very impressive things that failed to kill Liquid. The person he was cloned from however, was killed by hairspray.

Originally posted by Nikkolas

That’s pretty stupid. Super-speed is always a fctor when one person on the team has it and the other does not. Snake does not have the capability to keeup up with Krauser. He’s simply a human being who can not touch a man who moves in blurs. If you’re gonna blatantly ignore that fact, then don’t debate.

Originally posted by Nikkolas

I could easily use yours and other’s failed logic and say because a simple unspecial human being in BB can do it, Krauser can do it. BTW, no way Volgin is hitting him with his 10,000 volts or punches. Not fast enough. Super-speed is a factor but you seem not to understand how to debate.

Originally posted by Nikkolas

If you’re bias enough to even think that Fox, who can take his entire body being smashed by REX’s foot and still be alive, was horribly effected by Snake, then I’m very sorry for you. It wa s ahand-to-hand battle and Snake is not even 1/4 as fast or agile as Fox. In a real fight, Fox could kill him before Snake would blink.

Originally posted by Nikkolas

The fact:
A. He can block every bullet Big Boss fires.
B. He can move faster than Big Boss.
C. He has greater durability than Big Boss.

Originally posted by Nikkolas

Pretty easiy to see.

Originally posted by Black Dalek
Leon > Big Boss

So

Resident Evil 4 > Big Boss

Snake>>>>Leon in every way.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Snake>>>>Leon in every way.

Please dont forget about the Mullet! and beard! and the bandana

BB was shot dozen times, blown up, survived falls from unbelievable hights, got burnt, got his eye shot, tortured for hours, got his hand broken (twice) and despite all that he: killed a freaking army of trained soldiers, defeated The End, The Pain, The Boss, Volgin, returned after being temporally dead and destroyed an nuclear tank. What hairspray are you taling about?

The hairspray Solid Snake killed him with in Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake

If you really believe that Snake is "simply a human" then it is you who should stop debating. If you're going to argue that Snake MANY times demonstrated that he can keep up with super-fast beings and has speed strength and durability far beyond any ordinary human then you should really replay MGS series (or play them for the first time?)

Yep. Snake’s only human. Cut him and he will bleed. Blow a bomb up in his face and he’ll be feeling it. And I don’t’ CARE if he kept up with super-speed people in the games. IN REALITY, Snake does NOT HAVE super-speed. He moves about as fast as any other human being which is NOT fast enough to keep up with Krauser. Stop telling me about him keeping up with people in the game and start thinking with a bit of sense. Snake DOES NOT have super-speed. Krauser DOES. That’s all there is to it.

The thing is that Krauzer won't be able to hit Volgin because of his force-field that blocks machinegun fire and even explosions. And Volgin's lightning bolts are fast enough to hit even Krauzer. Think again, who's logic is failed here. Or at least tell me what is Krauzer gonna do to Volgin.

I recall him being pretty slow. And if Krauser can take that bomb blast and have his entire body given like 1st degree burns as well as have his heart explode and still come at you...10,000 volts does what?

LOL Yeah. Not even 1/4 as fast or agile. Then how the hell does he dodge bullets and even third-rate MGS "simple" humans block bullets with katanas.

The Tengu in Arsenal Gear had special equipment. They weren’t just average grunt soldiers. They were average grunt soldiers with tech.

Sorry, but you not liking the fact that Snake can keep up with super-fast beings like Fox (or Krauzer) do not change the facts.

Nope. Snake is not anywhere near any level of enhanced super-speed. Barely top human speed from what I can see. He’s going down with no problem if Krauser blitzes him. Provide some showing of super-speed or drop it. He is not as fast as Krauser and can not keep up with him. Show me proof he has speed on that level, please.

A. Krauzer doesn't move faster than bullets and if Snake's reflexes allow him to dodge machinegun fire why would he have problems to dodge Krauzer.

That’s reflex speed. Not movement speed or power. If Krauser blitzes him, he can’t avoid it. Avoiding a tiny piece of metal traveling at extreme velocities is nice and all but avoiding a person with super-speed while you have none is not even remotely similar. Not to mention even if he does dodge, what will he do? His CQC is advanced enough to help him take down a guy who survived a bomb that leveled an entire arena and burned his entire body?

Snake>>>>Leon in every way.

Leon’s coat is vastly superior to the thong we see Snake wear in MGS2. Unless you’re talking about BB.