Big Boss vs Resident Evil 4

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Originally posted by Nikkolas
The hairspray Solid Snake killed him with in Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake

Leon’s coat is vastly superior to the thong we see Snake wear in MGS2. Unless you’re talking about BB.

One it wasnt Hairspray alone, he used a lighter in other words a home made flame thrower (try it out!)

When did snake ever wear a thong in MGS2?.... i think your lieing

Originally posted by Nikkolas
The hairspray Solid Snake killed him with in Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake

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Please be more exact, because I don't remember anything like that happening. Killed him with hairspray?🤨

Originally posted by Nikkolas

Yep. Snake’s only human. Cut him and he will bleed. Blow a bomb up in his face and he’ll be feeling it. And I don’t’ CARE if he kept up with super-speed people in the games. IN REALITY, Snake does NOT HAVE super-speed. He moves about as fast as any other human being which is NOT fast enough to keep up with Krauser. Stop telling me about him keeping up with people in the game and start thinking with a bit of sense. Snake DOES NOT have super-speed. Krauser DOES. That’s all there is to it.
LOL Yeah, that's why he took direct shot from Raven's tank and stood back up. Cut Ryu Hoshi he would bleed as well, but it doesn't make him only a human. Snake'd be feeling it but he has super-human durability, strength and speed, try arguing that, I'll simply post videos from the games to prove my point. So this your point failed. Snake is not ONLY a human. As for "REALITY" I'm not even going to bother replying on it, we are talking about video game, not reality and in video game Snake dodges bullets after they are fired, and has speed NO ORDINARY human has.

Originally posted by Nikkolas

I recall him being pretty slow. And if Krauser can take that bomb blast and have his entire body given like 1st degree burns as well as have his heart explode and still come at you...10,000 volts does what?
You recall him being slow, so? He has a force-field that Krauzer can't pass. And ut's 10,000,000 volts by the way. They are going to turn him into ashes. Good luck surviving that.

Originally posted by Nikkolas

The Tengu in Arsenal Gear had special equipment. They weren’t just average grunt soldiers. They were average grunt soldiers with tech.
I was talking about Shagohod. And soldiers in Arsenal Gears were and enhanced super soldiers, cyborgds like Fox. Oh and even they were deflecting bullets, hell even Olga was doing that. And solidus destroyed like 5 Rays with minimum efforts.

Originally posted by Nikkolas

Nope. Snake is not anywhere near any level of enhanced super-speed. Barely top human speed from what I can see. He’s going down with no problem if Krauser blitzes him. Provide some showing of super-speed or drop it. He is not as fast as Krauser and can not keep up with him. Show me proof he has speed on that level, please.

Originally posted by Nikkolas

That’s reflex speed. Not movement speed or power. If Krauser blitzes him, he can’t avoid it. Avoiding a tiny piece of metal traveling at extreme velocities is nice and all but avoiding a person with super-speed while you have none is not even remotely similar. Not to mention even if he does dodge, what will he do? His CQC is advanced enough to help him take down a guy who survived a bomb that leveled an entire arena and burned his entire body?

Ok, lets see.
He's not as fast as Krauzer but sure as hell got super speed.
- Running faster than Raven moves his machinegun, concidering raven can lift over 10 tons with minimu efforts he can move that gun pretty fast.
- Jumping OVER Ocelot's bullets AFTER it was fired, and it was fired from the back when he didn't expected it.
- Dodging Olga's shot AFTER the bullet was fired.
- Riding a helicopter missile.
- Dodging Rex gunfire.
- Dodging shots from three soldiers with machineguns.
- Jumping like 20 feet straight up.
Seriously man, don't get me started. Or show me proofs that ORDINARY human can dodge bullets after they are fired or do any of the things I've listed.
I proved he has super reflexes as well, so your "being killed by Krauzer before he could react" argument won't work here. Unless ofcourse Krauzer moves faster than bullets. Or faster than Grey Fox for starters...

As for what is he gonna do, his CQC helped him against a guy that can break anti-missile armour with his single punch, has force-field and bolts of 10mln volts.
Hell yeah, he'll gonna rape Krauzer, give him all his equipment and it's overkill.

Originally posted by Nikkolas

Leon’s coat is vastly superior to the thong we see Snake wear in MGS2. Unless you’re talking about BB.

I'm talking about their skills in general.
As for equipment, Solid's camo makes him invisible. BB doesn't have that equipment but he's still superior than Leon in all physicall aspects.

lease be more exact, because I don't remember anything like that happening. Killed him with hairspray?What the f**k?

Read it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Boss

LOL Yeah, that's why he took direct shot from Raven's tank and stood back up. Cut Ryu Hoshi he would bleed as well, but it doesn't make him only a human. Snake'd be feeling it but he has super-human durability, strength and speed, try arguing that, I'll simply post videos from the games to prove my point. So this your point failed. Snake is not ONLY a human. As for "REALITY" I'm not even going to bother replying on it, we are talking about video game, not reality and in video game Snake dodges bullets after they are fired, and has speed NO ORDINARY human has.

An exceptional human being at most. Still not fast enough to keep up with Krauser nor packing enough firepower to put down Krauser.


I was talking about Shagohod. And soldiers in Arsenal Gears were and enhanced super soldiers, cyborgds like Fox. Oh and even they were deflecting bullets, hell even Olga was doing that. And solidus destroyed like 5 Rays with minimum efforts.

Solidus: Hm. How about the troops?
Ocelot: The men are being refitted with Arsenal Gear equipment as ordered.

They weren't super soldiers. Just Gurlukovich's men with tech. Olga smilarly had the ninja outfi tto help her do that. And Solidus could kill any of the other Snakes in a fight.

Also it was 3 RAYs.

Ok, lets see.
He's not as fast as Krauzer but sure as hell got super speed.
- Running faster than Raven moves his machinegun, concidering raven can lift over 10 tons with minimu efforts he can move that gun pretty fast.
- Jumping OVER Ocelot's bullets AFTER it was fired, and it was fired from the back when he didn't expected it.
- Dodging Olga's shot AFTER the bullet was fired.
- Riding a helicopter missile.
- Dodging Rex gunfire.
- Dodging shots from three soldiers with machineguns.
- Jumping like 20 feet straight up.
Seriously man, don't get me started. Or show me proofs that ORDINARY human can dodge bullets after they are fired or do any of the things I've listed.
I proved he has super reflexes as well, so your "being killed by Krauzer before he could react" argument won't work here. Unless ofcourse Krauzer moves faster than bullets. Or faster than Grey Fox for starters...

Gray Fox could bullet-time. If he was going all-out against Snake, Snake would have died. He would have zero chance of living througha fight with Cyborg Ninja Fox looking to kill him. All Fox wanted was a fight and to feel the pain of combat when he fought Snake.

And that's all well and good but his reflexes won't do him much. If he can, as you keep repeating, react so superhumanly, what, prey tell, will he do? Shoot Krauser? Krauser can block it. Stab Krauser? Seems unlikely to finish him off. Krauser can get in very quick and if Snake can react to defend himself, it still won't do much.

As for what is he gonna do, his CQC helped him against a guy that can break anti-missile armour with his single punch, has force-field and bolts of 10mln volts.
Hell yeah, he'll gonna rape Krauzer, give him all his equipment and it's overkill.

Nope. Pretty much human-level strength for BB. Human-level strength < massive explosion. Until BB's punches = bomb, they won't save him against Krauser once Krauser gets close to him.

As for equipment, Solid's camo makes him invisible. BB doesn't have that equipment but he's still superior than Leon in all physicall aspects.

I wanna see superhuman reflex Snake and BB do that stunt Leon did with those lasers.

Snake is forced to improvise and create a makeshift flamethrower from an aerosol can and a lighter. Ultimately, Big Boss is defeated and burned to death.

He didnt just spray him. If your gonna use that in your argument use all of it.

Now watch that, especially the second Gray Fox, how effortlessly he deals with him, the Raven tank, he takes a tank shell to the chest. then the sniper wolf scene, the Flip and what not.

Lets see Leon do anything of the calibre.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Read it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Boss

😆 😆 So this is where you get your info from. I can only say one thing - nicely put. Hairspray lol You only proved that Big Boss can be killed.

Originally posted by Nikkolas

An exceptional human being at most. Still not fast enough to keep up with Krauser nor packing enough firepower to put down Krauser.

Yeah, enough power to put down shagohod but not enough to put down Krauzer. 🙄
And enough of the "ordinary" human thing already, you failed to prove that argument.

Originally posted by Nikkolas

Solidus: Hm. How about the troops?
Ocelot: The men are being refitted with Arsenal Gear equipment as ordered.

And what makes you think that being refitted with equipment doesn't involvs remaking you into supersoldier. Fox was also just a deadman with "equipment".
Originally posted by Nikkolas

They weren't super soldiers.
Oh yes they were. Otherwise how do you explain 10 meters long jumps and deflecting bullets.
Originally posted by Nikkolas

Just Gurlukovich's men with tech. Olga smilarly had the ninja outfi tto help her do that.
Wrong, her suit wasn't simillar to Fox's, it was just a disguise. All she did, she did by herself, not because of the suit, like jumping from the roof from a great hight when she first met Raiden, or jumping from nowhere on Arsenal's roof.
Originally posted by Nikkolas

And Solidus could kill any of the other Snakes in a fight.

Based on what? On that he has super-speed? What does it take you to realise that it's not much of an advantage when it comes to Snake that has non-ordinary speed and reflxes himself
Originally posted by Nikkolas

Also it was 3 RAYs.

Oh my bad. It also wasn't hairspray.

Originally posted by Nikkolas

Gray Fox could bullet-time. If he was going all-out against Snake, Snake would have died. He would have zero chance of living througha fight with Cyborg Ninja Fox looking to kill him. All Fox wanted was a fight and to feel the pain of combat when he fought Snake.
And that was the reason why he tried to cut Snake's head several times? Fox WAS going at his best and cutscenes prove that. Don't even start brining that Fox-was-going-easy-on-Snake-because-they-were-friends thing.
Originally posted by Nikkolas

And that's all well and good but his reflexes won't do him much. If he can, as you keep repeating, react so superhumanly, what, prey tell, will he do? Shoot Krauser? Krauser can block it. Stab Krauser? Seems unlikely to finish him off. Krauser can get in very quick and if Snake can react to defend himself, it still won't do much.
Depends on the equipment he has. There are dozen options.
- Cut his throat, to slow him down.
- While he's distracted for a moment shoot him in the eyes blinding him.
- Break his neck (won't kill him but sure as heck will hurt him and give Snake more options to choose)
- Feed him with C3 or TNT. It'll blow much more than just his heart.
^All that^ is possible in face-to-face confrontation. If this fight happens on a big territory and involves stealth then there are 20 times more options. Think of sniper rifle etc etc.
And you yet to give me a scenario of Krauzer beating Volgin.

Originally posted by Nikkolas

Nope. Pretty much human-level strength for BB. Human-level strength < massive explosion. Until BB's punches = bomb, they won't save him against Krauser once Krauser gets close to him.

About strength, haven't I mentioned that Snakes have non-ordinary strength on pair with durability and reflexes? Like being able to make an uppercought that sends a grown heavy man flying many feet back or throwing people so they fly meters through the air. Or jumping many meters in the air while carrying STINGER. His punches do not have to be = bomb, CQC would be enough. By the way, how much time do you think it takes a trained soldier to pull a trigger? It'd help you to understand how fast "ordinary" humans in MG are.
And just in case Volgin's punches >>> explosion and Krauzer's punches. So I can still argue their durability.

Originally posted by Nikkolas

I wanna see superhuman reflex Snake and BB do that stunt Leon did with those lasers.
I think I already provided enough arguments for Snake's reflexes and speed.
And I wanna see Leon surving half of the things that Snake got through.
I was talking about their general abilities.
Strength - Snake
Speed - Snake
Reflexes - Snake
Fighting skills - Snake
Shooting - Snake (his skills in this term equels Ocelt's and that pretty much speaks for itself)
Durability - Snake
And last but not the least
Coolness - Snake 😎

1. I've never seen snake fight his way out of the grasps of a Lord of teh Rings type troll
2.Snake and Leon run about the same speed I beleive 😕
3. reflxes go to Leon no doubt, look at all of his battles and how he avoided the laser room 😛
4.yea I think the fighting would go to snake unless it was a knife fight
5.never seen Leon shoot by himself nor snake.
6. snake only wins durability cause he take a direct rocket and only lose like half his health 😖
7. Leo is cooler I dont Snake wearing Mafia outfits mhm

Look what Volgin did to brick wall 4:15 seconds of the video. One punch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mn2p95SW70&mode=related&search=
And now look how many these punches Snake took.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVIS247ylJA

Originally posted by SpadeKing
1. I've never seen snake fight his way out of the grasps of a Lord of teh Rings type troll
2.Snake and Leon run about the same speed I beleive 😕
3. reflxes go to Leon no doubt, look at all of his battles and how he avoided the laser room 😛
4.yea I think the fighting would go to snake unless it was a knife fight
5.never seen Leon shoot by himself nor snake.
6. snake only wins durability cause he take a direct rocket and only lose like half his health 😖
7. Leo is cooler I dont Snake wearing Mafia outfits mhm

1. He did more impressive things though.
2. Raven fight with STINGER on his shoulder.
3. Man, all these dodging feats.
4. CQC is based on knife fighting... 😕
5.Haven't you seen his tuxedo suit. 😎

Originally posted by Sam Z
1. He did more impressive things though.
2. Raven fight with STINGER on his shoulder.
3. Man, all these dodging feats.
4. CQC is based on knife fighting... 😕
5.Haven't you seen his tuxedo suit. 😎

1. you must mean Leo eyes
2. Leon fought with multiple weapons being implanted into his head
3. Lets see snake do a back flip inbetween a set of lasers that will undoubtly chop you into chop sewee mhm
4. no its just CQC which also includes, trench fighting, hand 2 hand, knife fighting, Krauser blowing someone's body into pieces, or a shotgun to your face
5. Mafia uniform mhm

1. Snakes beaten harder enemies than the Troll.. Ie Metal Gear's
2. When did leon fight with thigns in his head? i forgot
3. In the link i posted Snake (whilst being aimed at by Sniper Wolf) Backflips, flicks his sniper rifle up, catches and does a cool twirl.
4. CQC is knife fighting hence the reason he only does CQC with a knife, and a fork at one point.
5. Tuxedo and eye patch!

1) Rex >> Troll
2) Snake embarrassed 3 soldiers with machine guns after they surrounded him.
3) Lets see Leon making a back flip over a speeding bullet.😎
4) CQC is pretty much based on using knife and gun at the same time.
5) What Krone said 😎

Originally posted by Krone
1. Snakes beaten harder enemies than the Troll.. Ie Metal Gear's
2. When did leon fight with thigns in his head? i forgot
3. In the link i posted Snake (whilst being aimed at by Sniper Wolf) Backflips, flicks his sniper rifle up, catches and does a cool twirl.
4. CQC is knife fighting hence the reason he only does CQC with a knife, and a fork at one point.
5. Tuxedo and eye patch!

1. Lets see him beat a gigantic one eyed freak that looks like a spider, or "IT" mhm
2.I kinda remember have axes, arrows, scythes, pitch forks, acid, and every other thing that is on there hitting me in the head and continuing fighting.
3. compare that to laser dodging? lucky shots disgust
4. but still yet it can mean either of the following, like the game called something: close quarters combat (forgot the title) they were all using shotguns
5. Mafia unfirom, with the hat tilted and a tommy gun mhm

Yeah, enough power to put down shagohod but not enough to put down Krauzer. roll eyes (sarcastic)
And enough of the "ordinary" human thing already, you failed to prove that argument.

Putting down a big-ass tank is a lot different from putting down an extremely fast human-sized figure. You can launch all the RPGs you want at Krauser. You honestly think anything Snake fires can land on Krauser? Bullets can be blocked by the arm. He could easily move out of the way if Snake pulled out an explosive weapon. It would take a great deal of time to raise, aim and fire and that’s more than enough time for Krauser to be well out of the sights of the weapon, let alone still in the position the projectile is fired at and arrives at its destination.

And what makes you think that being refitted with equipment doesn't involvs remaking you into supersoldier. Fox was also just a deadman with "equipment".

All he does is comment on the equipment they are given. I am not gonna assume that lines means anything more than what it says without further in-game evidence.

Oh yes they were. Otherwise how do you explain 10 meters long jumps and deflecting bullets.

With the equipment they are given.

Wrong, her suit wasn't simillar to Fox's, it was just a disguise. All she did, she did by herself, not because of the suit, like jumping from the roof from a great hight when she first met Raiden, or jumping from nowhere on Arsenal's roof.

Okay then. Prove to me the suit did absolutely nothing for her physical capabilities. Where is this stated or shown?

Based on what? On that he has super-speed? What does it take you to realise that it's not much of an advantage when it comes to Snake that has non-ordinary speed and reflxes himself

Not really. Above-average reflexes maybe but not anything even remotely super-speed levels. Solidus can also block bullets with his swords, has his tentacle arms for long-range fire or attack, can easily dodge and accelerate from any type of explosive projectile launched at him... Snake DOES NOT HAVE SUPER-SPEED. It’s that simple. If the opponent does, and the plot is not being intentionally stupid to let Snake win, he dies. He can not move fast enough to save himself from a blitz by anyone as fast as Solidus, Krauser, etc.

Oh my bad. It also wasn't hairspray.

True. But it still doesn’t demonstrate the uber-hardness to kill you said he had.

And that was the reason why he tried to cut Snake's head several times? Fox WAS going at his best and cutscenes prove that. Don't even start brining that Fox-was-going-easy-on-Snake-because-they-were-friends thing.

Yep. Fox was going easy on Snake. Punches and kicks from Snake just don’t pack the same kind of speed or power as REX’s Vulcan cannons or its foot attempting to crush you. Does Snake throw punches faster than bullets now?

Depends on the equipment he has. There are dozen options.
- Cut his throat, to slow him down.

So Krauser couldn’t just reach up and stop him or hit him before he was capable of raising the knife and getting in the proper position for this strike?

- While he's distracted for a moment shoot him in the eyes blinding him.

He must be a hell of a good marksman if he can hit a guy who will be right in his face, attempting to impale him with speeds he can’t match.

- Break his neck (won't kill him but sure as heck will hurt him and give Snake more options to choose)
- Feed him with C3 or TNT. It'll blow much more than just his heart.
^All that^ is possible in face-to-face confrontation. If this fight happens on a big territory and involves stealth then there are 20 times more options. Think of sniper rifle etc etc.

Kay. Here’s how it realy would work.

There are a few more reasonable scenarios. Such as Snake firing at Krauser with his guns or attempting to use explosives against him. He can block the first and dodge the second. If he gets in close and BB is hoping an empty launcher, having just fired a round, I see Big Boss as kinda even more screwed. BB can’t do anything to his defenses/ Just have him expend his ammo and then blitz and shred to pieces. In fact, Krauser has a gun of his own he can use if he wants.

About strength, haven't I mentioned that Snakes have non-ordinary strength on pair with durability and reflexes? Like being able to make an uppercought that sends a grown heavy man flying many feet back or throwing people so they fly meters through the air. [/qute]

All of which is pretty possible for humans. The latter, especially. It’s not hard, if you work out, to toss guys around. Unless these were 500 pound guys, it’s human levels of strength.

[quote]By the way, how much time do you think it takes a trained soldier to pull a trigger? It'd help you to understand how fast "ordinary" humans in MG are.
And just in case Volgin's punches >>> explosion and Krauzer's punches. So I can still argue their durability.

Please don’t use A>B>C Logic. It’s very faulty. Just because Volgin has superior strength doesn’t mean jack shit. BB doesn’t have it and that’s all that matters.

And his reflexes are nice but Krauser has superior speed and a way to block every shot. So...good luck with that.

I’m very tired of this. You won’t accept it and we’re going back and forth. SNAKE CAN’T HURT KRAUSER. Krauser is FASTER. Krauser can BLOCK or DODGE EVERYTHING Big Boss throws at him. NOTHING will hit him. You won’t accept this so I’m not even gonna bother.

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Leon on his first day of being a cop survived in a city of monsters trying to kiill him, succeeding where all other more trained and experienced officers had failed.

I bet Leon wouldn't of survived if he was the main character....

Originally posted by Nikkolas

Leon on his first day of being a cop survived in a city of monsters trying to kiill him, succeeding where all other more trained and experienced officers had failed.
Lots of slow-ass zombies would be hardly a threat to Snake, and the only serious chalange Leon faced in Racoon city was (correct me if I'm wrong it was years ago) William.
Dodging lasers was impressive but only when they moved towards him all together and still nothing Snake couldn't perform.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Putting down a big-ass tank is a lot different from putting down an extremely fast human-sized figure. You can launch all the RPGs you want at Krauser. You honestly think anything Snake fires can land on Krauser? Bullets can be blocked by the arm. He could easily move out of the way if Snake pulled out an explosive weapon. It would take a great deal of time to raise, aim and fire and that’s more than enough time for Krauser to be well out of the sights of the weapon, let alone still in the position the projectile is fired at and arrives at its destination.
As I sdaid it all depends on the place they fight in and equipment Snake has. Don't try to convince anyone that Krauzer can dodge ANYTHING Snake comes up with including hidden TNT or C3 combined with machinegun fire. It would only work if they are in small open area and even then Krauzer would eventually get hit by something.

Originally posted by Nikkolas

All he does is comment on the equipment they are given. I am not gonna assume that lines means anything more than what it says without further in-game evidence.
Originally posted by Nikkolas

With the equipment they are given.

And what these guys were doing alone proves they are superhumans.
Wanna argue that too? Because that was my original point.

Originally posted by Nikkolas

Okay then. Prove to me the suit did absolutely nothing for her physical capabilities. Where is this stated or shown?
Logic states that, she haven't done anything that impressive while wearing a suit, except high jumps and she did that while she wasn't wearing suit as well.
She blocked bullets, yes. But that's what Solidus and even Raiden do as well. Raiden who is acoording to you an ordinary man, so why can't Olga do that?

Originally posted by Nikkolas

Not really. Above-average reflexes maybe but not anything even remotely super-speed levels. Solidus can also block bullets with his swords, has his tentacle arms for long-range fire or attack, can easily dodge and accelerate from any type of explosive projectile launched at him...
Thank you for proving me right. I'd like to see someone with a little "above-average" reflexes block machinegun fire from Rays. And just in case, if you think Solidus does that all only thanks to the suit, then nothing like that was stated.
Originally posted by Nikkolas

Snake DOES NOT HAVE SUPER-SPEED. It’s that simple. If the opponent does, and the plot is not being intentionally stupid to let Snake win, he dies. He can not move fast enough to save himself from a blitz by anyone as fast as Solidus, Krauser, etc.
I just proved that he DOES have it, not of Fox's or Krauzer's level ofcourse but he still does. And stop blaming plot, by this logic no character of any game would've been alive now if we assumed that plot is the only reason they win. Plot didn't stopped Snake from getting his ass handed to him by Fortune, so if he orginaly wasn't fast, skilled and tough enough to mess with super-fast beings like Fox authors wouldn't have made it into h2h fight.
And for the last time, Snake CAN react fast enough to dodge speeding bullets, why not fast enough to fight Fox or Krauzer?

Originally posted by Nikkolas

True. But it still doesn’t demonstrate the uber-hardness to kill you said he had.

First of all BB at the time was far from his top shape. He was plain old. Besides dieing from being burnt alive doesn't disprove my uber-hardness to kill argument. Krauzer can survive wounds that are mortal for any human. Though it doesn't mean that he can take more physical punishment like beating before getting koed. That's about will and endurance. Have you checked the beating BB took from Volgin? After that he was tortured, git his leg and eye shot, got his hand broken twice, survived two falls from waterfalls, got blown up poisont and only THEN he beat Volgin, The Boss, Ocelot and destroyed Shagohod.

Originally posted by Nikkolas

Yep. Fox was going easy on Snake. Punches and kicks from Snake just don’t pack the same kind of speed or power as REX’s Vulcan cannons or its foot attempting to crush you. Does Snake throw punches faster than bullets now?
Snake's punches weren't turning Fox into a red spot on the floor, only hurting him, so Grey being killed by Rex has nothing to do with Snake's punches. And you are mistake, Fox wasn't going easy on Snake, remember when electricity covered his body he went berserk. He tried to cut Snake's head off few times and was clearly going at his full seed. But he just couldn't. Snake doesn't throw punches faster than bullets but being an uber fast guy himself he eventually was able to land hits on Fox.

Originally posted by Nikkolas

So Krauser couldn’t just reach up and stop him or hit him before he was capable of raising the knife and getting in the proper position for this strike?
Not if Snake prevents him from grabbing his hand or however he is going to stop him. I can't explain how or why untill you accept the fact that Snake is FAR beyond any ordinary human in terms of speed and reaction.

Originally posted by Nikkolas

He must be a hell of a good marksman if he can hit a guy who will be right in his face, attempting to impale him with speeds he can’t match.
Hell of a good?! We are talking about a guy that matches Ocelot in temrs of shooting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiyDhIklVcM

Originally posted by Nikkolas

Kay. Here’s how it realy would work.

There are a few more reasonable scenarios. Such as Snake firing at Krauser with his guns or attempting to use explosives against him. He can block the first and dodge the second. If he gets in close and BB is hoping an empty launcher, having just fired a round, I see Big Boss as kinda even more screwed. BB can’t do anything to his defenses/ Just have him expend his ammo and then blitz and shred to pieces. In fact, Krauser has a gun of his own he can use if he wants.

You are talking about trained killer with years of trining and experience of fighting superhumans, not just a looser with launcher. If it's a big terrotory and Snake has his equipment he wouldn't run around blowin everything. He would make Krauzer get hit by a hidden explosives. Even Krauzer wouldn't dodge something he doesn't see coming. And from the cover SNake'd fire AK at him at the same time. It'd take Krauzer much more than just a hand to deflect or block. If this is pure h2h then it's a different scenario and I still see Snake winning.
Originally posted by Nikkolas

All of which is pretty possible for humans. The latter, especially. It’s not hard, if you work out, to toss guys around. Unless these were 500 pound guys, it’s human levels of strength.

You really think it's possible for ordinary trained man to send somebody flying 10 meters through the air with a punch? 😕 Or train leg muscles so much tha you can jump like 10 meters straight up from the very place you are standing? I'd like to see olympic athlets do half of that. And do you remember Raven guy that Snake killed?

Originally posted by Nikkolas

Please don’t use A>B>C Logic. It’s very faulty. Just because Volgin has superior strength doesn’t mean jack shit. BB doesn’t have it and that’s all that matters.

And his reflexes are nice but Krauser has superior speed and a way to block every shot. So...good luck with that.

Man, I'm not trying to use ABC logic. I'm using feats from the game. How else are we supposed to judge about characters' abilities but by their feats from the games? You believe that Snake is an ordinary man because that's what he's supposed to be, I judge about his speed, strength and reflexes by his feats and guys he can keep up with. In his very first appearance Snake was fast enough to mess with Grey Fox, so can't we just take that as a fact?

Originally posted by Nikkolas

I’m very tired of this. You won’t accept it and we’re going back and forth. SNAKE CAN’T HURT KRAUSER. Krauser is FASTER. Krauser can BLOCK or DODGE EVERYTHING Big Boss throws at him. NOTHING will hit him. You won’t accept this so I’m not even gonna bother.
You're right about one thing, we are going back and forth. I already gave yo scenario how can Snake defeat Krauzer and gave reasons why he's physically capable of that. Accepting ot ignoring it is your choice.
See you around and happy new year..

Originally posted by Sam Z
Lots of slow-ass zombies would be hardly a threat to Snake, and the only serious chalange Leon faced in Racoon city was (correct me if I'm wrong it was years ago) William. Dodging lasers was impressive but only when they moved towards him all together and still nothing Snake couldn't perform.

You forgot Mr. X. The correct line of events in Resident Evil 2 was Claire-A/Leon-B. If you play Leon's game first, there are too many plot holes. Leon only had to fight Birkin - or rather G - three times, two more than Claire, so you're right about Big Bad Willie trying to kill him.

I think the hardest boss that BB will come up against is krauser. hes fast and tough. i think tho that if BB gets his shotgun, he pumps shots into his legs to make him lose his gaurd and then pumps him in the face with shells or AK spray. And everyones going to say that he can dodge the shots, then tell me why Leon could shoot him? all i did was after he tried impailing my head with his arm, i shot him in the legs and capped him in the head. and ppl saying that he faced gray fox (aka ninja) no he didnt that was SOLID snake (difference). but i think BB wins 6/10 against Krauser.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Look what Volgin did to brick wall 4:15 seconds of the video. One punch...

And now look how many these punches Snake took.

Volgin says he wants to make BB pay. He's a sadist. He beats the hell out of BB, then tortures him . He could've killed him if he wanted to. BB is gritty as hell with an extremely high tolerance for pain, but he doesn't have superhuman durability. In most of the scenes with The Boss, BB doesn't show greater durability than any of the fodder soldiers he disables with CQC.

BB got stalemated by Ocelot in H2H on the Wig. In the Krauser/Leon knife fight itself, both Krauser and Leon demonstrated more CQC knowledge than anyone in Snake Eater besides BB/Boss/Ocelot (not saying necessarily that BB/Boss/Ocelot are superior in this respect). Ocelot basically picked up all his CQC in what, 2 days? Krauser, as a merc, would likely at least be able to stand up to BB in close quarters.

Did Big Boss have any good reflex feats in Snake Eater? I don't remember any immediately, but I haven't played the game in half a year or so. If not, he might not make it to the liquid nitrogen capsules against Salazar's Right Hand.

Durability is definetly Bosses territoy , I mean if we compare his CLONES feats (which technically do count as his own) upon his original then he's pretty much Superior to Leon.