The Omniverse, (the structure of all Comic Universes)

Originally posted by Mr Master
Continues..

"NOT so EASILY CONTAINED, and if he's not stopped, the OMNI-VERSE will fall into Chaos, and a NEW GOD shall play dice with Matter"

AND:

Roma says, "the terror that threatened [B]the Omni-verse is destroyed"

"My hand guides the Omni-verse Now, Unlike my Father, I have no desire to shape the destiny of men"

LIKE MERLIN did with EXCALIBUR, SHAPING the DESTINY of MEN in the OMNI-VERSE.

SEVEN DOWN.

firefirefireph [/B]

I addressed this, and you felt a sharp pain as the sensation of "Wrongness" invaded your tenous grasp of reality.

Remember? When you realized that you are both Incorrect AND Stupid.

Yeah, that was because I showed you the error of your ways.

Originally posted by Mr Master
ETERNITY is the UNIVERSE

The UNIVERSE materializing into ETERNITY before Galactus

You are, without a doubt, the most idiotic person I have ever had to deal with!
How do you explain the tons of times that Eternity has appeared WITHIN the universe is the various other storylines that have shown it to be so?!
So, Galactus, is suddenly the size of a Universe also?
Wow! Smart! So, I guess we have a LOT of revision to do.
You should remember to be silent when you dont' know what you are talking about.
It would help with the whole "Stupid Guy" thing that you seem to exude.

Gamora Enters ETERNITY and ends up INSIDE the UNIVERSE

So what!? Eternity is Linked to the Universe. Maybe he acted as a portal. Maybe he willed her to do what she did, and he transported her. It does not matter.Our Universe, as Eternity, was not standing in that white void! Do you even know what the M Body is?! Eternity uses it, as well as almost all other abstracts.

The UNIVERSE materializing Into ETERNITY before Strange

Seriously. Is there something wrong with you? Are you reading your scans, or are you jsut used to people taking your word for the tripe you spout?
The scan Shows Eternity above a city. The scan says that Eternity stands over the Greenwich Skyline. Maybe bad writing, maybe not though through, I don't know. So, at that moment, the universe is standing over Greenwich? Is that the siliness you are saying? Eternity is not using an M body? Instead the universe has collapsed so he can stand over NY?
Good call?

EVERYTHING is ETERNITY, those who are there around Dr Strange, see Reality as Eternity

It never says this. And, even if it did, it would not matter. It has nothing to do with my statements. You are just babbling.
They are terrified to see the giant Eternity M Body in the sky. As it says. Please read your scans before making stuff up, rewriting the panels and giving your opinions. Because, to tell the truth, your opinions are childish.
Why don't you just write?..." Wook at dith thcan. Etewnity ith weel big, wike da hole ooniberseth. Thee? Aw da peepew a thcared beecauth day thee da ooniberth wite thewe in da thky. Thee?"
That would be an improvement on your observational skills.

WHEN Thanos with the IG BECAME the UNIVERSE, it was ETERNITY'S PLACE HE TOOK

AGAIN:

When the UNIVERSE gets ERASED, it's ETERNITY that gets ERASED

Your other scans have nothing to do with anything I have said. But, thanks for showing them off.
Great, Thanos took Eternity's place. Has nothing to do with what I wrote.
The universe dies, Eternity dies. No shit. Never said it didn't. As a matter of fact, go back and read that I said that very thing.
Maybe lay off the weed while debating me.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Darth,

your going to have to take it over from here,

I've had it with these simpletons.

!

Originally posted by Horrificus
Yes! March off to bed in your Doctor Doom pajamas, leaving a Super-Lackey to do your bidding!
Hahaha. What a nut!
Yes Darth. Obey the Master! Hahaha.
Wow!
Somebody's Mommy needs to take away hith "funny papers", and increase the ritalin dose!
Either that, or somebody's mommy needs to kick somebody out of the basement, and make him get a job!

Now I want you to think about something, what was your purpose in creating this thread? Your trying to map the layout of Marvel and DC, right? Well, Marvel and DC have never released an actual map of how their cosmology is layed out, which means that YOU are going to have to go by interpretations of what HAS been established to accomplish your goal. So how is your initial goal any different than what Mr. M has done for himself?

Think of it like this, you don't like his proof of how everything's set up. Fine. Now where's yours? You want to say that Marvel ISN'T an omniverse in and of itself, well where's your proof to support that? The fact is that barring logic and interpretations, all you have left to formulate this is on panel proof. And Marvel has discussed an omniverse on panel in Excalibur. The fact that it hasn't been discussed much, doesn't change that it HAS been talked about. So Marvel IS an omniverse. The omniverse is made up of everything that comprises Marvel Comics. That doesn't change no matter what is in those blue balls floating around.

Mr. M's interpretation of the layout is just as valid as anyones(and makes far more sense than most). And ALL of his interpretations are supported in some way shape or form on panel. You seem to be more interested in picking apart his theories, than supporting your own. If you have a better layout of how the omniverse is set up, show it to us. And make sure that you have all the proof that your demanding from everyone else to support your layout.

And I don't know where you get off calling me a super lackey, just because I happen to agree with him on several of these matters, cause if you'd ever payed attention on the vs forum, you'd see that I've actually debated AGAINST him more than not. Yes we have a mutual respect for one another, because we both value well thought out logic, and are always able to agree to disagree, but I'm anything but a lackey to ANYONE. So I suggest that you keep your comments regarding me to yourself, cause Mr. M. is generally a lot nicer about this stuff than I am.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Ok guy, i don't know what your problem is, but you seriously need to chill out. What Mr. Master has done, is compiled data from multiple sources, and linked them together in such a way that they all make sense. Writer's of cosmic level events are notorious for their inability to research what's already been established(which is why so much of it contradicts). Now they may or may not agree with the Mr. M's interpretation of events, but if every statement made in those comics are taken at face value, NONE of them can really be accepted, because they all conflict with something else that's been published by Marvel. the simple fact is, WE(on KMC) obsess over how all this stuff is set up than the writers do. Period. Mr. M. interprets things the way he does, because things fit together better his way than they otherwise would, ESPECIALLY regarding The End. Even Mr. M will tell you that it wasn't really that good of a piece of writing, it contradicted other sources, and it actually contradicted itself.

thank you for admitting that his interpretation has plenty of room for argument, i wish he would do the same. that's all i really ask.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Ok guy, i don't know what your problem is, but you seriously need to chill out. What Mr. Master has done, is compiled data from multiple sources, and linked them together in such a way that they all make sense. Writer's of cosmic level events are notorious for their inability to research what's already been established(which is why so much of it contradicts). Now they may or may not agree with the Mr. M's interpretation of events, but if every statement made in those comics are taken at face value, NONE of them can really be accepted, because they all conflict with something else that's been published by Marvel. the simple fact is, WE(on KMC) obsess over how all this stuff is set up than the writers do. Period. Mr. M. interprets things the way he does, because things fit together better his way than they otherwise would, ESPECIALLY regarding The End. Even Mr. M will tell you that it wasn't really that good of a piece of writing, it contradicted other sources, and it actually contradicted itself.

Now I want you to think about something, what was your purpose in creating this thread? Your trying to map the layout of Marvel and DC, right? Well, Marvel and DC have never released an actual map of how their cosmology is layed out, which means that YOU are going to have to go by interpretations of what HAS been established to accomplish your goal. So how is your initial goal any different than what Mr. M has done for himself?

Think of it like this, you don't like his proof of how everything's set up. Fine. Now where's yours? You want to say that Marvel ISN'T an omniverse in and of itself, well where's your proof to support that? The fact is that barring logic and interpretations, all you have left to formulate this is on panel proof. And Marvel has discussed an omniverse on panel in Excalibur. The fact that it hasn't been discussed much, doesn't change that it HAS been talked about. So Marvel IS an omniverse. The omniverse is made up of everything that comprises Marvel Comics. That doesn't change no matter what is in those blue balls floating around.

Mr. M's interpretation of the layout is just as valid as anyones(and makes far more sense than most). And ALL of his interpretations are supported in some way shape or form on panel. You seem to be more interested in picking apart his theories, than supporting your own. If you have a better layout of how the omniverse is set up, show it to us. And make sure that you have all the proof that your demanding from everyone else to support your layout.

And I don't know where you get off calling me a super lackey, just because I happen to agree with him on several of these matters, cause if you'd ever payed attention on the vs forum, you'd see that I've actually debated AGAINST him more than not. Yes we have a mutual respect for one another, because we both value well thought out logic, and are always able to agree to disagree, but I'm anything but a lackey to ANYONE. So I suggest that you keep your comments regarding me to yourself, cause Mr. M. is generally a lot nicer about this stuff than I am.

There was nothing in my thread that deserved the crazy, nasty, negative comments he kept spewing. I didn't even care what was posted. I wasn't bombing anybody. I just wanted to see people's ideas.

He was unable to do the same, and immediately began with insults and craziness.

First of all, I have no problem with Mr M or anybody talking about this stuff with me, disagreeing, etc. That's fine, that's cool.
What I didn't like is the way he kept caling names, and getting nasty and belittling anybody that disagreed with him.
So, all I did, was show him what he is doing, by giving him his own medicine That's all.
There is a right way of doing things. Obviously, you read my attempts to get him to stop with the nastiness, but did not have the balls to agree with me. Yet, here you are berating me when I gave it back to him.
Very nice.

Second, when I said you were his "Super Lackey", I was busting on him, not you. I just thought it was funny, how he took for granted that you agreed with everything he said and did, and then actually orderd you to take over for him.
Very funny.
But, my comment had nothing to do with you

Third, if you just threatened me, in ANY way, bring it on. I have nothing against you, but I am always into it if somebody has a problem with me.gunsmilie
And, contrary to what that idiotic fem has said about me, while he insulted my intelligence, and you sat back, behaving yourself, and not wanting to comment on what an ass he was being, I am more than capable of defending myself in a debate.

Go back and read my posts. I repeatedly asked him to stop being nasty.
He ignored it. So, now he can enjoy my attention.
Earlier, when he started this stuff, I received IM's from people telling me what an ass he is, and to tear him apart.
I kept saying that I felt sorry for him, and that I was going to go easy.
Well, now we are past that.blowup

He is not a very smart guy. He ignores 50 to 60% of the details in his own scans. He lies. He gives his opinions and ignores what is being written or portrayed on panel, if it goes against his mania.

I am not impressed with him, like many of you are.
I do not think he handles himself respectfully in here.
He is arrogant.
He is delusional.
He is unintelligent, even though he attempts to use words large enough to cover this up.
He gets hurt when his opinions are not appreciated.
And, he puts his opinions above what is on panel.
He contradicts himself.
He is a grotesque little hitler

Mr. Master raygun

And, worst of all, he used the word "Thee"!

um... again. He said "Thee".

That really hurt.rolleyes1

Now, if MM and everyone else could put aside their own arrogance, we could get something constructive done.

I'm willing to work with you on this project, Horrificus. There has to be a way to take the MM interpretation, and make it less muddled. A system that complies with both Logic AND Scans.

MM's system is correct! But I think he's making it needlessly complicated by adding unnesesary dimensions.

So, just tell you what you need. I'm no slouch in the area of cosmics myself.

Wow, what a psycho RANT!

A complete regurgitation of absolute GIBBERISH!

You were OWNED on every turn, and anyone who reviews this thread would know that to be TRUE.

You ignored all the FACTS, and added your clueless ignorance as an opposition to ALL the CONCRETE FACTS.

But whatever, I'm done filling your thread with priceless pearls.

Originally posted by Horrificus
The panel discusses A UNIVERSE. You wrote the part that happened in your mind, about Omniversal Tribune erasing 238. It is not on that panel.

This is about the ONLY part of ALL that GARBAGE that's worth recognizing,

And might I add, I only do this for the innocent onlookers, and TRUE DEBATERS ..... NOT for you,

to prove to my peoples that EVERYTHING I say, is straight from the Comics, ON PANEL and it's ALWAYS CANON!

This person said, that "I WROTE the PART THAT HAPPENED IN MY MIND about OMNIVERSAL TRIBUNE ERASING" 238

Let's see who's been dealing with their OWN MIND ALL this TIME shall we...

Check it yall...

The Supreme OMNI-VERSAL Tribune holds a COURT session to discuss the FATE of the 238 UNIVERSE, (WHERE Jim Jaspers 238 has TAKEN OVER, and WHERE Jim Jaspers 238 IS)

"It is within my power to have a given UNIVERSE REMOVED should it's existence THREATEN the OMNI-VERSE"

"Objection"

"Objection OVER RULED"

"a CRYSTAL KEY is turned, a Chain Reaction Commenced"

"A Stricken UNIVERSE is placed FOREVER beyond Suffering"

"A WHOLE UNIVERSE! ... He just WIPED OUT a WHOLE UNIVERSE at the flick of a switch"

"In ALL the OMNI-VERSE there is NOT ONE Universe that I cannot DESTROY at the Touch of a Switch"

"A few moments ago, Lord Mandragon (the Judge) ORDERED the DESTRUCTION of EARTH 238's ENTIRE CONTINUUM"

AND here is MORE PROOF true debaters, that it was INDEED the 238 UNIVERSE that was ERASED along with JIM JASPERS 238:

"Majestrix...Would you DESCRIBE HOW the tragedy on EARTH 238 came about?"

"it was a REALITY STORM, GRAVITY, CAUSE & EFFECT, PROBABILITY, LOGIC, ALL of them went HAYWIRE"

"I Learned that an IMMENSELY Powerful INSANE MUTANT had been behind the CHAOS"

Well then, guess that settles that, as EVERYTHING else was settled aswell.

Now go blah blah blah your way around ALL the evidence AGIAN,

just remember to READ MORE COMICS before EVER stepping into a debate.

UNDERSTAND? master

good boy.... now BE GONE!

MM... You're more bitchy today then I've ever seen you. Did something bad happen?

You weren't even this bad back with GS.

he did it again...none of what mr master posted refutes much of anything. what a weirdo. ah, i guess SOMEBODY had to fill GS's shoes.

Originally posted by Horrificus
First of all, I have no problem with Mr M or anybody talking about this stuff with me, disagreeing, etc. That's fine, that's cool.
What I didn't like is the way he kept caling names, and getting nasty and belittling anybody that disagreed with him.
So, all I did, was show him what he is doing, by giving him his own medicine That's all.
There is a right way of doing things. Obviously, you read my attempts to get him to stop with the nastiness, but did not have the balls to agree with me. Yet, here you are berating me when I gave it back to him.
Very nice.

Originally posted by Horrificus Second, when I said you were his "Super Lackey", I was busting on him, not you. I just thought it was funny, how he took for granted that you agreed with everything he said and did, and then actually orderd you to take over for him.
Very funny.
But, my comment had nothing to do with you[/B]

Originally posted by Horrificus Third, if you just threatened me, in ANY way, bring it on. I have nothing against you, but I am always into it if somebody has a problem with me.gunsmilie
And, contrary to what that idiotic fem has said about me, while he insulted my intelligence, and you sat back, behaving yourself, and not wanting to comment on what an ass he was being, I am more than capable of defending myself in a debate.[/B]

Now regarding the rest of your post, you can think whatever you want about Mr. Master, I don't care(and neither does he, I assure you). But from what I've seen, he puts far more thought into cosmic matters than anyone else around. Yes, some of the things he says are contradicted at some point in time or another on panel, but that's just because EVERYTHING(literally) in comics has been contridicted by something else at some point.

Whew!

Good thing I ignored everything you wrote below, and will never read it, otherwise, I may become infuriated by your nastiness, and confused by your stupidity.

Now, does anybody "sane" have anything to add?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Wow, what a psycho RANT!

A complete regurgitation of absolute GIBBERISH!

You were OWNED on every turn, and anyone who reviews this thread would know that to be TRUE.

You ignored all the FACTS, and added your clueless ignorance as an opposition to ALL the CONCRETE FACTS.

But whatever, I'm done filling your thread with priceless pearls.

This is about the ONLY part of ALL that GARBAGE that's worth recognizing,

And might I add, I only do this for the innocent onlookers, and TRUE DEBATERS ..... NOT for you,

to prove to my peoples that EVERYTHING I say, is straight from the Comics, ON PANEL and it's ALWAYS CANON!

This person said, that "I WROTE the PART THAT HAPPENED IN MY MIND about OMNIVERSAL TRIBUNE ERASING" [B]238

Let's see who's been dealing with their OWN MIND ALL this TIME shall we...

Check it yall...

The Supreme OMNI-VERSAL Tribune holds a COURT session to discuss the FATE of the 238 UNIVERSE, (WHERE Jim Jaspers 238 has TAKEN OVER, and WHERE Jim Jaspers 238 IS)

"It is within my power to have a given UNIVERSE REMOVED should it's existence THREATEN the OMNI-VERSE"

"Objection"

"Objection OVER RULED"

"a CRYSTAL KEY is turned, a Chain Reaction Commenced"

"A Stricken UNIVERSE is placed FOREVER beyond Suffering"

"A WHOLE UNIVERSE! ... He just WIPED OUT a WHOLE UNIVERSE at the flick of a switch"

"In ALL the OMNI-VERSE there is NOT ONE Universe that I cannot DESTROY at the Touch of a Switch"

"A few moments ago, Lord Mandragon (the Judge) ORDERED the DESTRUCTION of EARTH 238's ENTIRE CONTINUUM"

AND here is MORE PROOF true debaters, that it was INDEED the 238 UNIVERSE that was ERASED along with JIM JASPERS 238:

"Majestrix...Would you DESCRIBE HOW the tragedy on EARTH 238 came about?"

"it was a REALITY STORM, GRAVITY, CAUSE & EFFECT, PROBABILITY, LOGIC, ALL of them went HAYWIRE"

"I Learned that an IMMENSELY Powerful INSANE MUTANT had been behind the CHAOS"

Well then, guess that settles that, as EVERYTHING else was settled aswell.

Now go blah blah blah your way around ALL the evidence AGIAN,

just remember to READ MORE COMICS before EVER stepping into a debate.

UNDERSTAND? master

good boy.... now BE GONE! [/B]

First of all, I think he is wrong about a lot, and waaaay off base about even more.

Second, even though I think this, I still wouldn't have "let him have it" if he hadn't been so nasty.
It doesn't bother me that people disagree with me about comic books, and I would not just start taking shots at somebody that did not adhere to my view of a story.
That is just idiotic.

That being said, all I wanted, was to see what other people's views were, and now I don't think we are going to see many people saying what they think. Mostly, because this tard showed the forum that he is going to redicule anybody that chimes in.
That's sad.

Anyway, I still want to see some ideas from people, especially if it is based on a story that we have not acknowledged yet.

Originally posted by darthgoober
My not jumping in between the two of you, had nothing to do with a lack of balls on my part. I simply didn't feel inclined to do so. I wouldn't have felt the need to make my last post towards you, if it didn't seem like you were taking a shot at me. Also I happen to agree with most of theories on how Marvel's omniverse is structured(not ALL of them, but a significant majority), and I don't see why people feel the need to lump the two companies together within a common omniverse, just because an omniverse is supposed to mean EVERYTHING. I've personally been trying to convince people that they don't for some time now, so I can understand where he's coming from(about people disregarding obvious things, just to make the concept of an omniverse more realistic). Which is another reason I felt no need to jump in. I made my stance on the matter clear on the first page, so I felt no need to try to contradict the things he was saying. You guys were debating and things got heated, it happens. Though if I thought he was taking a shot at me, then I WOULD have responded the exact same way I did to you.

Well it seemed to from my point of view when I read it, but if it wasn't a shot at me, then my bad.

No threat, just pointing out that Mr. M in generally like to keep his debates civil(at least the majority of the time, this obviously is an exception 😆 ), but I don't necessarily feel the need to do that if I think someones trying to make things personal. But since it turns out that you weren't taking a shot at me, it's not really an issue.

Now regarding the rest of your post, you can think whatever you want about Mr. Master, I don't care(and neither does he, I assure you). But from what I've seen, he puts far more thought into cosmic matters than anyone else around. Yes, some of the things he says are contradicted at some point in time or another on panel, but that's just because EVERYTHING(literally) in comics has been contridicted by something else at some point.

Nobody will be made fun of, and there are no stupid ideas.
We will just base our findings on the wording in the books, the story and exact statements from writers if they are used.

how about the kismet? Warlock went there, and Destroyed a timeline to get himself out of a loop.

It seems like a place where you can get rid of timelines that diverge on something you did.

I have been working on the "Timeline" situation.

It ain't easy.
If a Timeline splinters off a core, such as 616, where does it go, nest, spring up, or whatever you would call it?
Even many mainstream scientists believe that for every possible action, there is a separate universe popping up.
Now, in "Real Space", theoretically, space is finite. Even if it is almost infinitely large. If you are looking at a Multiverse, filled with Universes that already exists, there are only 5 possibilities. Either:

1. Each Multiverse is filled with unique, non-related universes, in a finite space, (the Multiverse). And, the Alternate Timeline Universes are just popping up in "real Space", here and there. And, if we take that space, and start filling it with an infinte number of new, alternate timeline universes, the multiverse would run out of room instantly. So, this is a tough one.

2. There is a separate Multiverse-type space, in "Real Space", associated with each Universe, which is MADE specifically to be populated with Alternate Timeline Universes as they pop up.

3. There is a Dimension associated with each Universe, that is somehow Infinite in Size, and the Alternate Timeline Universes are popping up into this dimension, in Inner Space.

4. Or, maybe there are not that many Alternate Timeline Universes, because, maybe it takes a very special, and potent set of circumstances to create a splinter, off-shoot, Alternate Timeline. And, even in that case, then, maybe options 1, 2 or 3 apply.

5. Maybe the Multiverse, or even the Omniverse, is filled with nothing but copies of the 616, or Core Universe. Maybe each Multiverse is filled with a Core Universe, and it's infinite number of Alternate Timeline Universes, and no Unique Universes at all.

Perhaps,

6. There is a seperate dimension for each timelin, the same size as the "Normal" Universe, which joins millions of such universes in the same containment, the multiverse.

It really is a huge question.

If they are in the process of being created, and do not already exist, what is the entity that presides over them?

For instance, if Living Tribunal resides and judges the existsing universes in the multiverse of 616, who is watching over the new, splinter timeline universe?

The Living Tribunal. I thought What If? made that obvious. What If? is composed of alternate timelines, And the LT is featured in it sometimes.