Hey! You are right!
Ok. So, we know the LT oversees Alternate Timelines.
That means, that, at least on some level, they exist within the Multiverse.
Good. First part of the description is established.
Now, do you know of any instances where the LT has ever entered a Pocket Dimension, Mystic Realm or anything outside of "Real Space"?
Or, have his showings been limited to Real Space, and Universal Bodies?
Originally posted by Horrificus
Hey! You are right!Ok. So, we know the LT oversees Alternate Timelines.
That means, that, at least on some level, they exist within the Multiverse.
Good. First part of the description is established.Now, do you know of any instances where the LT has ever entered a Pocket Dimension, Mystic Realm or anything outside of "Real Space"?
Or, have his showings been limited to Real Space, and Universal Bodies?
Originally posted by King Kandy
He appears regularly in the dimension of manifestations, the 16th dimension, and has visited various mystic realms.
OK. Great.
That tells us that a Multiverse is made up of "Real Space" and "Inner Space".
Living Tribunal resides over the Entire Multiverse.
LT has been seen acting within Real Space Universes, Alternate Timelines, Pocket Dimensions and Inner Space Universes.
He must have an M Body presiding over every realm in the Multiverse.
Originally posted by Horrificus
OK. Great.That tells us that a Multiverse is made up of "Real Space" and "Inner Space".
Living Tribunal resides over the Entire Multiverse.
LT has been seen acting within Real Space Universes, Alternate Timelines, Pocket Dimensions and Inner Space Universes.
He must have an M Body presiding over every realm in the Multiverse.
Originally posted by darthgoober
LT resides over ALL the multiverses in Marvel simultaneously. As this scan clearly states...
Agreed.
He has a Presence in all realities, all at once. A peice of him, while the whole resides elsewhere, wherever that is.
Since he has been shown to use an M Body when he does stuff, chances are that he has an M Body in each realm.
Originally posted by HorrificusSo you DO accept that Marvel is more than just a multiverse now, right?
Agreed.He has a Presence in all realities, all at once. A peice of him, while the whole resides elsewhere, wherever that is.
Since he has been shown to use an M Body when he does stuff, chances are that he has an M Body in each realm.
Originally posted by darthgoober
LT resides over ALL the multiverses in Marvel simultaneously. As this scan clearly states...
careful with that scan. it is refuted in EVERY other appearance of lt. why would we accept that it is multiverse'S' when every other scan and appearance of him says multiverse'E'? seems more likely a typo to me. i'm puzzled why this scan should/would be accepted considering it is one in dozens to say this. the VAST majority of proof lies with a singular multiverse as regards the lt.
Originally posted by leonidas
careful with that scan. it is refuted in EVERY other appearance of lt. why would we accept that it is multiverse'S' when every other scan and appearance of him says multiverse'E'? seems more likely a typo to me. i'm puzzled why this scan should/would be accepted considering it is one in dozens to say this. the VAST majority of proof lies with a singular multiverse as regards the lt.
If even Galactus operates on an Omniversal level,
Surely the Living Tribunal must also.
Originally posted by Mr MasterI don't see how Galactus is operating at an Omniversal level in that scan. It seems as though he is refering to something else (which he calls "it"😉 effecting the Omniverse, not himself.
If even Galactus operates on an Omniversal level,Surely the Living Tribunal must also.
i agree. g seems to be expressing KNOWLEDGE of the omniverse, and is knowledgeable enough to know that it may be in some sort of danger, but i would expect any high cosmic to understand there IS an omniverse. knowing about, even identifying something that may be a danger to it, is not the same as demonstrating powers across the omniverse. could lt have stopped the chaos wave, which was also a threat to the omniverse? i don't know, but no indication was really given and there is more evidence to say his power does NOT cut across all multiverses. (ie -- his decree regarding the IG was not upheld in the ultaverse).
Originally posted by Galan007
I don't see how Galactus is operating at an Omniversal level in that scan. It seems as though he is refering to something else (which he calls "it"😉 effecting the Omniverse, not himself.
Well I never said Galactus is affecting the Omni-verse, I clearly said Galactus is OPERATING on an Omniversal level.
Because he's involving himself in OMNIVERSAL AFFAIRS.
Originally posted by leonidas
i agree. g seems to be expressing KNOWLEDGE of the omniverse, and is knowledgeable enough to know that it may be in some sort of danger, but i would expect any high cosmic to understand there IS an omniverse. knowing about, even identifying something that may be a danger to it, is not the same as demonstrating powers across the omniverse.
You guys misunderstood me, I just told galan,
I never said he was an Omniversal power, I said he's Operating on an Omniversal level, that threat was Omniversal, and Galactus involved himself for the sake of the Omni-verse.
You say LT's horizons are closed into a sinlge Multi-verse (616), because you haven't seen sufficient scans saying otherwise.
But there are many beings that operate across the Omni-verse, not necessarily simultaneously, but they CAN venture beyond the 616 Multi-verse.
Besides this, Captain Marvel can tap into Omniversal Consciousness, aswell as Scatterbrain of the team Excalibur, to name a few, surely these characters can NOT have greater range of influence than the Living Tribunal.
Originally posted by leonidas
could lt have stopped the chaos wave, which was also a threat to the omniverse? i don't know,
I don't think he could have, because he didn't interfere while all of Marvel was at stake, or perhaps he could of but being Omniscient he knew others would save the day.
Just like the Abraxas arc, the Multi-verse was misaligned and unbalanced, (Primary reason for LT's intervention) but LT was incognito instead.
We know the UN is not beyond LT, so I figure, he mustof known others would save the day.
I believe LT interferes when there is no other hope. (IMO, that is)
Originally posted by leonidas
but no indication was really given and there is more evidence to say his power does NOT cut across all multiverses. (ie -- his decree regarding the IG was not upheld in the ultaverse).
Are you talking about the Rune incident?
Come on now everybody. Let's be logical here.
If we have 30 books, stating that Galactus is a presence in A Universe, and one book talking about a device that can effect things on an Omniversal level, we have to be reasonable.
We can't just throw all the other facts to the wind, and accept the wording in one panel as supreme.
Plus, from what I have seen, there are writers that have used the term "Omniverse", interchangeably with "Universe" or "Multiverse".
Because, the situations are contradicting the term.
Originally posted by Horrificus
I never had a problem with that concept. I just wanted some facts to help me define it.
Actually, if anyone goes back to our argument they'll quickly noticed you kept up a defiance of the On Panel proof for whatever mysterious reasons.
A truck load of FACTS were given but you couldn't deal with the reality that you were wrong.
When I'm proven wrong (with proof) I concede and move on, when I'm contradicted with baseless or straight up made up opinions and theories I challenge that continuosly for the sake of the onlookers.
Originally posted by Horrificus
When I didn't agree with Mr. Crazy, he went all "Jeffrey Dahmer".
I won't fall for that bait again,
as you wish. 😎
Originally posted by Mr Master
You guys misunderstood me, I just told galan,I never said he was an Omniversal power, I said he's Operating on an Omniversal level, that threat was Omniversal, and Galactus involved himself for the sake of the Omni-verse.
You say LT's horizons are closed into a sinlge Multi-verse (616), because you haven't seen sufficient scans saying otherwise.
But there are many beings that operate across the Omni-verse, not necessarily simultaneously, but they CAN venture beyond the 616 Multi-verse.
Besides this, Captain Marvel can tap into Omniversal Consciousness, aswell as Scatterbrain of the team Excalibur, to name a few, surely these characters can NOT have greater range of influence tha the Living Tribunal.
I don't think he could have, because he didn't interfere while all of Marvel was at stake, or perhaps he could of but being Omniscient he knew others would save the day.
Just like the Abraxas arc, the Multi-verse was misaligned and unbalanced, (Primary reason for LT's intervention) but LT was incognito instead.
We know the UN is not beyond LT, so I figure, he mustof known others would save the day.
I believe LT interfere's when there is no other hope. (IMO, that is)
Are you talking about the Rune incident?
i didn't mean to imply you DID say he was operating omniversally. i also don't think that if lt stepped into some other multiverse that he would lose all his power, though i'm less sure of that. if his power is tied solely to his role as the multiverse's supreme arbiter, then perhaps he WOULD lose power. or at least his decisions would be refuteable and not necessarily upheld. he MAY possess influence still, but the extent of that influence may be much less?
i'm talking about the avengers arc where the IG being was reformed (least i'm pretty sure that's what i'm thinking . . .) the IG had been deemed unuseable by lt but in the ultraverse it was used anyway.
Originally posted by leonidas
i agree. g seems to be expressing KNOWLEDGE of the omniverse, and is knowledgeable enough to know that it may be in some sort of danger, but i would expect any high cosmic to understand there IS an omniverse. knowing about, even identifying something that may be a danger to it, is not the same as demonstrating powers across the omniverse.
I was going to reply to this part of your post more indepth with scans,
but since I just noticed I been insulted again by the thread starter (who can't let go of his grudge it seems), I'll take this up in my thread.
Look in there for furthur info with proof as always.
ps. I just don't want to make this thread any more visually stimulating than I already have, it's undeserving.
