Re: Re: Re: Re: God should speak up for himself
Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
As humourous as it may have appeared -- the analogy was actually a very good one. And I think you misunderstood the context of it.
The Analogy was a horrible, horrible one. 🙁
It was a desperate and irrelevant attempt at an anology based on wishful thinking. Me and XYZ disagree all the time, but for this we both agree....your analogy sucked 👇
Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
When it comes to your criticisms of God -- you truly have little(or nothing at all) to "stand" on. You are indeed the man with *no legs* The only reason as to why your criticisms even get through - is because he(God) allows them(and because he is loving).
You mean 18 years of being a devout and studeous Christian gives me no reference what so ever ? Studying the Bible for years is not enough?
Oh wait...I already learned my lesson. The Bible is meaningless unless someone puts meaning into it. My bad, thanks for reminding me.
Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Umm..no. Evidence of his existence is made very well known. All one has to do is look at the universe around them, and there is existence of a *higher power* in everything that makes it up. Quite simply put, and as I've stated to you many times in other threads -- even the *fool* knows that there is a God.
Existance of a "higher power" yes. I already belevie in a higher power. How do we know its Yahweh, and NOT Allah, or Zeus, or Kali, or Osiris, or ADFASDADALEM ?
How do we know its your God, when much of reality and logic contradicts your little Bible ?
I believe that only a fool beleives in your God 😉
Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
In regards to God's feelings -- I think you are limiting God a bit too much in this area, and again -- not really understanding what I am saying. Certainly he(God) does have feelings - as all of the emotions that we have are definitely derived from him. However, most of what we say of him -- be it for or against, does nothing to effect who he is -- or what he represents. That doesn't mean that he completely disregards the hurtful things that have been said, but the overall effect of what we have said or done - only has a real impact on us, not him.
Your beleif in this imaginary monothestic sexist character does not effect who I am either. But I still exist.....
God is only as powerful as we allow him to be. That is the part you do not understand. He is powerful for you, because that is how you beleive him to be. He is not powerful to me, because he is non existant to me.
I beleive in a powerful creational force, but not a sexist, conservative, violent, hypocrit like the one you worship.
Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
For if our words could truly hurt God(in the limited human sense) Then man would have achieved much more than he has at this point -- don't you think?
Yes, such as Christianity constantly evolving, becoming more and more Liberal over time, and losing many of its followers to beleif systems like Buddhism and Atheism.
Man is succeeding in moving beyond the "God" myth.
Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Telling someone of the adverse effects that will happen to them, if they continue leading a sin filled life is very loving. I've been called many things on this forum and in real life(and rightfully so - directly and indirectly) for sinful behaviours. The initial feeling one has about hearing truth is anger -- particularly when they are abruptly confronted by it.
You misunderstand.
There is nothing wrong with warning me about your imaginary Hell if you truly beleive in it. I am fine with you trying to protect me, I appreciate THAT part..
But telling me that I DESERVE to be in Hell, in total and eternal suffering, simply because I am Gay, or because I don't beleive the same things you beleive, is uncalled for, and NOT Loving in any sense of the word.
Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
But upon thinking about the *love* behind the presentation of the truth, one stops feeling angry, and develops a sense of happiness, and great love and/or respect for the individual who presented this truth to them. I don't think myself(nor anyone for that matter) would want to continue down a trail that leads to Hell. Most would be extremely grateful of the painful truth presented before them -- before they've experienced a greater pain that can never be taken away.
Read the Above for reason as to why answering this worthless post is pointless.
Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Of course it is. Should everyone be subject to the unloving behaviour's of others? Of course not. Hell is not just a place of punishment, for those who reject God's love. It is also a way - of allowing those who accept God's love, to experience *true* peace for all eternity. If God let all those who rejected his word -- run rampant and hurt others who accepted it, that would not be very loving. Call it cruel if you wish, but I think it would be more cruel to allow the *unrighteous* to roam about forever - tormenting all of those who truly love the Lord.
You really got it twisted, dont you buddy?
Regardless of whether or not someone is going to Hell, they STILL run rampant hurting people while they are ALIVE,
If your God exists, why does he allow them to run rampant destroying people's lives ?
When someone is DEAD that's it. Thier reign is over. Hell is not necessary. You really lost it here, because the above post makes absolutely no sense in regard to this argument. ❌
Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
So to simplify - there is no true love involved Urizen - without some form of righteousnous encompassing it.
By Righteousness, you mean Hell, right ? Eternal Torture is HARDLY what any logical person would call "righteous" 😆
Your belief that people deserve to be tortured is not only disgusting, but dangerous as well. I just hope you don't plan on blowing up any buildings soon.
Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Well first off-- what do you consider *intelligent*? Can *intelligent* be defined as one studying many wordly books, containing many worldly philosophies, but then missing and/or disregarding obvious evidence presented before them? Should it be defined by one not being well learned in academia - however, having enough "common sense" to understand that a *higher power* exists -- and this *higher power* is loving?
Intelligence has many forms. Among them being the realization that one does not know all, and one cannot know all. Intelligence, true intelligence, also requires an open mind. Not a mind set closed off to all possibilities and outcomes other than one's personal beleif.
Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
I think the answer to these questions really is a simple one Urizen. All of us, are extremely ignorant and idiotic at times in some area -- particularly when trying to discern the will of God. But it's not the intellect - the ability to debate, or the multiple degrees one has that matters -- it's the intention of the message conveyed to others. Regardless of how intelligent one claims to be, if there is no *love* behind their words, than their opinions carry no more value - than a blind mute.
Another pointless post, as it fails to address the issue, and you make another attempt to change subject.
Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
The principle of "Love one another" is very simple. It's just that many like to complicate it -- with their own subjective interpretations of what love is. How hard is it to be kind? How hard is it to show mercy? How hard is it to express truth? These things are only difficult to understand or do -- to those who have rejected them.
Love cannot include consequence of Hell. It's that simple. Hell can only logically be a result of hatred, envy, wrath, immaturity, insecurity, and mythology. Not Love.
Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Prejudice is not judgement - it is a form ignorance -- which later leads to willful stupidity. Allowing willful stupidity to continue -- without putting some form of judgement or restriction upon it, would be truly unloving.
A Judgement BASED on ignorance...how about that ?
You would call HELL some form of judgement or restriction, like it's that fkn simple ?
Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
True. But before you take out your brother's eye, make sure that you can both clearly see your way thru the battle -- with the eyes you have left. For all those who live by the sword, will also end up dying by it.
God shouldn't require people to battle, slay, or punish other people. It's pathetic on his part.
Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Sure he can -- and he does. He uses his voice every day, with the world around us -- and in the bible. God speaks to us all of the time, but unfortunately -- many of us choose not to listen. But he can't force himself upon us, or else it would mess up that whole *free will* and *love* thing. So in his attempts to communicate with us - in order to be loving, he must give us the option to *accept* or *reject* the words we hear.
Then his voice is bullshit, and he's a liar and hypocrit, since the majority of people who speak for him are hypocritical idiots, filled with greed, bigotry, and ignorance.
Now i know for CERTAIN that I want nothing to do with your mythology.
Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
The rest of your post was either unrelated to the topic presented - or just repetition of what you had previously stated -- so I do not feel a need to respond to it. But again - as I stated before, please remember that at some point -- there will be a time, when he will directly speak to all of us -- without anyone being able to present their opinion of what he has said, so again be very wary of what you ask for, particularly if you have not completed your argument against him.
Is that another Threat ? 😆
Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
This is my last post on this topic. Good day to you once again. And God Bless.
This sounds even more and more fake each time you say it.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
so its a win win scenario for you? believe me. if you die a non believer, you are going to hell. you think god is gonna say "oh well, you chose not to acknowledge the sacrifice i made by allowing my son to be killed, but you can come into heaven anyway."
thats very shallow minded and self righteous on your part. you have not sinned once in your life? not at all? must be nice to be perfect.
That is so outrageous
that comment is forcing people to believe in god through fear of hell
if god is really that selfish to send people to hell for not believing in him then who in the right mind would worship that!
God is speaking up, its us who should try to listen, and stating that you are listening does not means that you really listening.
We search for answers, answers do not come to us, it has always been like this in every subject.
1) Science also has different interpretations, and that does not means they are all wrong. There are many people who do not know anything about spirituality even if they think they do.
2)Being sucessful or not in conving others just proves someones ability to argue. Being convicent does not means you are right. Politicians are convincent, jounalists are convincent. If a truth is too difficult to understand then it could be always hidden from us.
In math, it is know that are there mathematical truths that cannot be proven but still exists. Truth is not about publicity.
Originally posted by sammii
That is so outrageous
that comment is forcing people to believe in god through fear of hellif god is really that selfish to send people to hell for not believing in him then who in the right mind would worship that!
Originally posted by Council#13
Won't your parents be extremely pissed off if you say that they don't exist?
Oh yes, but you see my freind...my parents have proven thier existance to me. NOT just by being present in my life, physically, emotionally, mentally, and in all ways necessary, but they have also raised me, financially supported me, spoken to me, listened to me, struggled with me, etc.
Now, if my parents NEVER made an appearance in my life, then they would have no right to be angry if I said they didn't exist.
Your God has not made a recognizable appearance in my life, so he's a hypocrit if he is mad at me for not acknowledging his unlikely existance.
Originally posted by Council#13
Or, when you do acknowledge their existence, you say they're pedophiles?
I never said that. That was my prodegy, Smiter.... 😉