Cyborg Superman vs. Runner

Originally posted by Soljer
I actually appreciate Avalon. In such a marvel biased forum, it's good to have a voice screaming otherwise, even if I may disagree with it quite often.

The Surfer IS quite a bit more powerful than Superman. He IS more than capable of taking anyone that Avalon named (with the exception of Parallax, obviously, 😉 .)

The Runner is (was?) like Surfer +.

However, what many people are forgetting is, if I recall correctly, the Surfer fared pretty well against the Runner in the issue that followed DIRECTLY after the Surfer's embarassing defeat. The Runner isn't THAT much better than the Surfer, even if he is better at ALL anymore (with the Surfer's recent upgrade).

End result's the same, though, the Runner takes out Henshaw. At least for now, even though I suppose Henshaw's consciusness may very well be transported galaxies away. 😬.

(If I'm wrong and there HAS been another battle between the two and anyone out there knows what issue it's in, I'd appreciate the info)

Originally posted by darthgoober
Surfer never fought with the Runner in the next issue. Mantis tripped The Runner(which is as PIS as they come IMO), but Surfer never did anything to him. He fought The Champion(and I think I other elder) before Surfer and Mantis ran away, but the two of them never came to blows in that issue. I actually don't know if they've fought since that first battle at all.

(If I'm wrong and there HAS been another battle between the two and anyone out there knows what issue it's in, I'd appreciate the info)

Also there is one bad feat. All of the Elders got swallowed by Galactus. We all know that would never happen to Superman... 🙄

Originally posted by bigbran
No, your right. The next issue, Surfer and Mantis went after them (Elders), all that happened was that Runner got tripped, and then Surfer and Mantis flew away.

Also there is one bad feat. All of the Elders got swallowed by Galactus. We all know that would never happen to Superman... 🙄

Cyborg superman loses there's not a lot he can do to counter runners speed PIS excluded.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Of course not, Supes would use T-Vo on him.

Or use any other of his plot-device powers.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Or use any other of his plot-device powers.

😕 It always amazes me how every battle involving a DC character leads to some superman bashing.

Originally posted by Supreme being
😕 It always amazes me how every battle involving a DC character leads to some superman bashing.

Welcome to the world of Comic Book forums. Read a big DC event. It always comes back to Superman, unless it's Kingdom Come.

On comic forums, it's similar. DC discussion comes to Superman's bad moments in the history of the character.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Yeah, no kiddin. I made a fanboy comment. I'll live with it, admit I'm wrong, and move on.

No problem. Stop being so foolish and maybe you can last another couple of months without being banned. 😉

Originally posted by kgkg
😆 don't get avlon stared

Actually i don't see whats the point in trying to convince him.. hasn't worked in what a year.

He thinks superman is all power ( any version) it's his opinion it's cool.

But trying to put facts , and scans is not gonna help 😄

cheers mate

Another fool with a grudge from wayyy back.
Nice to see you back though "mate." 😉

Originally posted by Soljer
I actually appreciate Avalon. In such a marvel biased forum, it's good to have a voice screaming otherwise, even if I may disagree with it quite often.

The Surfer IS quite a bit more powerful than Superman. He IS more than capable of taking anyone that Avalon named (with the exception of Parallax, obviously, 😉 .)

The Runner is (was?) like Surfer +.

However, what many people are forgetting is, if I recall correctly, the Surfer fared pretty well against the Runner in the issue that followed DIRECTLY after the Surfer's embarassing defeat. The Runner isn't THAT much better than the Surfer, even if he is better at ALL anymore (with the Surfer's recent upgrade).

End result's the same, though, the Runner takes out Henshaw. At least for now, even though I suppose Henshaw's consciusness may very well be transported galaxies away. 😬.

Actually..that's the more enjoyable part of forums. Not everyone agrees on everything. Group together a TON of Marvel fanboys and it still doesn't make them right.

Anyone from the Super-books is at an automatic disadvantage in these forums. Proof is in threads like Iron man vs Superman.

Realistically, there isn't much runner could do to actually take out Henshaw. Henshaw isn't going to have an easy time with Runner either.

Fanboys here are saying ridiculous crap like Runner 10/10.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Welcome to the world of Comic Book forums. Read a big DC event. It always comes back to Superman, unless it's Kingdom Come.

On comic forums, it's similar. DC discussion comes to Superman's bad moments in the history of the character.

😕 😕 😕 uhhhhh okay

Meh.

I'm a pretty big fan of Cyborg Superman and I'm also a fair sized fan of Avalon but...I can't agree with everything he says.

Runner wins but it's not a clean sweep in my opinion.

Can Cyborg Superman Be Hurt Physically? What is his the upper Limit of his strength and Durability? I remember that he was superior to Superman in Every way. with some other powers. Does anyone have a good bio? The runner doesn't have enough showings for me to make a good judgement and I'm not a big fan of The Borg. But it seems like a fairly even match.

Wait, didn't Superman put his hand through him, and vibrate Borg into destruction?

With Runners speed, couldn't he just take out Cyborg like Supes did, by vibrating his arm through him, and shaking him to pieces? I'm not saying that it would be easy for him to get the opening, but I'm sure an opening would present itself during the fight.

Originally posted by darthgoober
With Runners speed, couldn't he just take out Cyborg like Supes did, by vibrating his arm through him, and shaking him to pieces? I'm not saying that it would be easy for him to get the opening, but I'm sure an opening would present itself during the fight.

After supes did that, did henshaw ever show being able to be beaten like that again? Villians tend to get smarter and more powerful. especially smart ones like that.

Yet he nearly got split in half by Hals attack... Villains never learns, thats why they're always villains.. cept Jugg.. his cool...

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
After supes did that, did henshaw ever show being able to be beaten like that again? Villians tend to get smarter and more powerful. especially smart ones like that.

Originally posted by bigbran
Wait, didn't Superman put his hand through him, and vibrate Borg into destruction?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Well let me ask you this, has he ever shown that it WON'T work since then? Cause otherwise, it's still a valid strategy.

To be honest I dont' know, i'm not a fan of the Superman mythos. But it does seem odd that Superman could punch thru a being stronger and tuffer than him. Makes you wonder if that wasn't PIS.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
To be honest I dont' know, i'm not a fan of the Superman mythos. But it does seem odd that Superman could punch thru a being stronger and tuffer than him. Makes you wonder if that wasn't PIS.