Ok. SO that explains her behavior towards Jack later in the game. Aha! I think what is key about the scene between W/E is that it sets up the question of can they trust each other? Can Will trust that Elizabeth's decisions have the good of them all at heart and that they have to function as individuals first before they can function as a couple. Also, I think it sets up Will's behavior and thinking later in the script. Now that he knows that he cannot trust or count on Elizabeth, he adopts the behavior of betray before being betrayed that we see shades of in the rough draft script.
Originally posted by PirateDiva
4 ppl on the ship tried to kill him? ok so who is that Barbossa, Liz and who else?
That quote is actually interesting in and of itself but I'll leave it alone for now, Barbossa, Liz, Will tries to kill him in the rough draft script, and I'd probably guess Tia Dalma. She's not to be trusted.
Originally posted by savvysparrow
I definitely think you're onto something Piratediva. You did notice that she didn't deny or admit to any of her feelings. And whenever Will comes close to questioning her about those feelings, she tries to escape or avoid it.Does anyone know what occurs before this scene, or who it was that tells Will about Elizabeth's dealings on the Pearl? If it's Jack, then that says a lot right there.
She didn't seemed like she wanted to fix their relationship, she almost walked away as if she was hiding or avoiding something. Notice that she makes a statement."You thought I loved him". I understood this like, Ohh crab I have been caught I'm going to avoid further questioning. And Will's line says a lot, "If you are going to make the decisions alone, how can I trust you"? It could go both ways. IMO Meaning If you are going to keep making the decisions alone how can I trust you with my Love/feelings/relationship.....And then Liz's answer really hit it off, "You can't" I started jumping up and down when I read that last part. At first I was like Ohh this is not good for us.
Originally posted by savvysparrow
Ok. SO that explains her behavior towards Jack later in the game. Aha! I think what is key about the scene between W/E is that it sets up the question of can they trust each other? Can Will trust that Elizabeth's decisions have the good of them all at heart and that they have to function as individuals first before they can function as a couple. Also, I think it sets up Will's behavior and thinking later in the script. Now that he knows that he cannot trust or count on Elizabeth, he adopts the behavior of betray before being betrayed that we see shades of in the rough draft script.
Do you think that by this point Will has confronted Liz about the Kiss yet...cause remeber in the leaked script Will still kept to himself that he Knew about the Kiss!!!
The fact that Elizabeth is the only one that succeeded in killing him says a lot. I think killing him on a more symbolic level too. There's more than one way to kill a man, so to speak. If he thinks that she sent him to his death for Will's benefit, it's his soul he seems to have lost. Events in purgatory seem to reflect that, wouldn't you say?
How do you know Tia tried to kill him?
Originally posted by PirateDiva
Do you think that by this point Will has confronted Liz about the Kiss yet...cause remeber in the leaked script Will still kept to himself that he Knew about the Kiss!!!
No I don't think so, it seems to me that this happens after Jack tells everyone what happened. I have that part but I don't know if I should post it or not.
Originally posted by savvysparrow
The fact that Elizabeth is the only one that succeeded in killing him says a lot. I think killing him on a more symbolic level too. There's more than one way to kill a man, so to speak. If he thinks that she sent him to his death for Will's benefit, it's his soul he seems to have lost. Events in purgatory seem to reflect that, wouldn't you say?How do you know Tia tried to kill him?
Well yes it signinficant because she was the only one that he has let his guard down too!!! so that is why she succeed cause its almost like he couldnt take it anymore, she broke him and he surrendered!
Originally posted by PirateDiva
Do you think that by this point Will has confronted Liz about the Kiss yet...cause remeber in the leaked script Will still kept to himself that he Knew about the Kiss!!!
Well, yes. That's the scene we're talking about. Will finds out that Elizabeth sent Jack to his grave, and that the kiss wasn't what it appeared to be. Elizabeth admitted to Will that she can't be trusted, and I think that high lights Will's development for the remainder of the movie. He can't trust any one, so why should he play on the straight and narrow any more.
Originally posted by savvysparrow
You don't have to post it if you don't feel comfortable doing it. Does it describe Jack's emotional state at that point?
Not really Jack just tells Will "she hasnt told you, then you'll have a lot to talk about while ur here".....that line is almost like Jack wants to burn Liz....so that she'll have to tell the truth....thus driving their realtionship futher into ruins!