Abraxas VS Lucifer Morningstar

Originally posted by bigbran
It took an omniversal big bang to almost make Lucifer blink...

Didn't know DC or Vertigo had an Omni-verse.

Where did this happen?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Didn't know DC or Vertigo had an Omni-verse.

Where did this happen?

Lucifer comics. Don't know exact issues. Maybe ask Catfood what issue.
Micheal hit him with a big bang, and Lucifer didn't flinch.

Originally posted by bigbran
I'll try and look.
It was still a big bang, though, even if not omniversal, but I'll still look.

Lucifer comics. Don't know exact issues. Maybe ask Catfood what issue.
Micheal hit him with a big bang, and Lucifer didn't flinch.

As I know, it was Universal.

Michael has the power of the Demiurge within him. Its power can create a big bang level explosion, and Lucifer stood next to it like it was nothing.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Let's see ...
Vertigo = non canon
Lucifer's prime feat: creating a universe, and he didn't do it with just his own power.
Lucifer second only to the Presence? - Pfft, in Vertigo there's been stated that there are beings above the Presence.

Lucifer looses either way ...

That is a good feat, but does it mean that he is greater then Lucifer? ❌

Originally posted by bigbran
I'll try and look.
It was still a big bang, though, even if not omniversal, but I'll still look.

Lucifer comics. Don't know exact issues. Maybe ask Catfood what issue.
Micheal hit him with a big bang, and Lucifer didn't flinch.

Lucifer made his own universe, it was stated numerous times throughout the story. So how could the big bang have been omniversal when it was only a universe that was created?

Abraxas, under his own power, didn't do much. He killed roma, a bunch of galactus's, and a bunch of Reeds.

Impresive, but not anything that makes me think that he's a match for Lucifer.

Like i said the whole thing about the god thing is a paradox. how can Yahweh be infinite and eternal yet formed by outside forces. Essentially that in itself its contradictory.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
Like i said the whole thing about the god thing is a paradox. how can Yahweh be infinite and eternal yet formed by outside forces. Essentially that in itself its contradictory.

Glad I'm not the only one who caught that.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Abraxas, under his own power, didn't do much. He killed roma, a bunch of galactus's, and a bunch of Reeds.

Impresive, but not anything that makes me think that he's a match for Lucifer.

He also took the Watcher's memory away, and his Emblem.

Disintergrated the Watcher's sanctuary with a touch.

And Roma doesn't get the credit she deserves, Roma is the being in charge of Guarding the Mutli-verse, and Abraxas killed her effortlessly.

Abraxas was also collapsing the Multi-verse (how did everyone forget this)

And the big daddy is,

ONLY the Ultimate Nullifier was able to banish Abraxas.
So UNLESS Lucifer can ERASE and RECREATE a Multi-verse in an instant...

I don't see how he's going to win.

seeing as how Lucifer is responsible for creating time and space using Michael's power i don't see him beating Abraxas as a far stretch.

Originally posted by Mr Master
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And Roma doesn't get the credit she deserves, Roma is the being in charge of Guarding the Mutli-verse, and Abraxas killed her effortlessly.

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i always got the impression that roma's place as guardian is sort of like the majestrix of the shi'ar...she's not powerful so much as really, really important. don't read too much cap britain though.

Shes like the queen of england she has no power just seems like she does.

Originally posted by Mordum
Shes like the queen of england she has no power just seems like she does.

Not that's not exactly accurate now Mor,

Roma has power indeed.

Just one of many feats,

Roma has Control over Time...

Here she is with a Cap. Brit. would be successor

Roma plucks her husband (who was Dead) from the Past

And brings him to the Present (Alive) with a gesture

The Celestial Nullifier belongs to Roma, she can erase ANY Universe in the Omni-verse: (Even the UN hasn't shown that range)

Here Roma threatens to erase the 616 UNIVERSE in 48 hours, if Captain Britain and company can't seal the (Chaos Wave) breach

Also Roma's Citadel is so immense, it has countless Dimensions inside it from coulntless TIMELINES (which She can manipulate at will)

Just the HALL in the Starlight Citadel can FIT ENTIRE PLANETS

"BUT when Her CITADEL FALLS, that impossibly vast Space is suddenly crowded"

"With an inconceivable variety & number of species, as ALL the DIMENSIONS there are suddenly crash into one"

AND,

The Starlight Citadel

"At the CENTER POINT of CREATION is the Starlight Citadel of Brian's (Omniversal Guardian) Ultimate Boss"

"Roma, the CELESTIAL Guardian, Her Power is ALL that Her TITLE IMPLIES and MORE"

Roma's & Her Citadel took a head on hit by the Chaos Wave

And Roma survived

Originally posted by Mr Master
He also took the Watcher's memory away, and his Emblem.

Disintergrated the Watcher's sanctuary with a touch.

And Roma doesn't get the credit she deserves, Roma is the being in charge of Guarding the Mutli-verse, and Abraxas killed her effortlessly.

Abraxas was also collapsing the Multi-verse (how did everyone forget this)

And the big daddy is,

ONLY the Ultimate Nullifier was able to banish Abraxas.
So UNLESS Lucifer can ERASE and RECREATE a Multi-verse in an instant...

I don't see how he's going to win.

Also, I still don't believe that was the multiverse that the UN destroyed.
First off, Reed destroyed the entire universe, he destroyed everything there, he pointed it straight at Abraxus.
He nullified Abraxus, then remade the universe so he wouldn't have a way to get back, if he was still around. He never stated that he destroyed the multiverse.

Also, where was it stated, that Abraxus could only be destroyed by the UN? Who else fought him, that we could be saying this right now? Killing Thing? Killing Galactus's off panel? Killing a bunch of Reeds? Awesome, but it still doesn't equal him fighting Eternity.
Sure he is multiversal, but that doesn't mean that you have to destroy everything to beat him.

Why do some on here think he (Luci) isn't multiversal threat? He's created another Creation just like The Presence's and Michael told him there can only be 1 Creation. Before Gods creation there was nothing as its already been stated.. Michael has the power of the Demuirge within him, its power can create another Creation or Universe's. Lucifer beats gods POWERLESS! That would be like Abraxas (powerless) going up against Odin in Asgard. Whos going to win? Come on guys 🙄

And to be honest its like this IG>>>>>>abraxas so it depends how people think lucifer fairs against the IG but i just dont see him losing this fight.

he'd probably be able to harness the energies of the IG if he were to fight it.

Originally posted by bigbran
Lucifer scared off Spectre. Micheal, who is equal to Lucifer beat Spectre twice.

And Abraxas scared Multi-Eternity 616, the most powerful Multi-verse in Marvel, so much so he didn't even dare try and stop Abraxas.

Originally posted by bigbran
Lucifer can exist outside of God's presence.

Nice,

but I don't see how that's going to help him.

Originally posted by bigbran
Lucifer treats lower demons (to him) like they are nothing.

This will not help him either.

Originally posted by bigbran
He has his own universe, why would he go destroying universes?

Nice,

Abraxas had an Infinite amount of Universes shivering in their Cosmic pants.

Originally posted by bigbran
Also, I still don't believe that was the multiverse that the UN destroyed.

No problem, I'll prove it.

Originally posted by bigbran
First off, Reed destroyed the entire universe, he destroyed everything there, he pointed it straight at Abraxus.
He nullified Abraxus, then remade the universe so he wouldn't have a way to get back, if he was still around.

I don't no where your getting your info from, but Reed did NOT destroy Abraxas FIRST, and THEN the "Universe".

It was ALL done at once, and it was the MULTI-VERSE, for the simple reasons listed below.

Originally posted by bigbran
He never stated that he destroyed the multiverse.

This is what really went down,

Here Reed says "our Earth is merging with other Alternates"...how can this be...unless the entire Multiverse is misaligned.

Here Nova says "creatures of the MULTIVERSE Mixing --- Reality folding onto itself" again this Multiversal misalignment is literally ripping the Multiverse apart.

Finally what does this lead to?

Reed, "In order to REALIGN ALL that is...we had to END ALL that was."

What was MISALIGNED?

The MULTI-VERSE!

Reed uses the Ultimate Nullifier to banish Abraxas & Remake the Multiverse at the SAME TIME:

UN Destroys the Multiverse:

UN Remakes the Multiverse in an instant:

IS the Ultimate Nullifier capable of such a FEAT?

"Should Abraxas reach the NULLIFIER, He CAN OBLITERATE ALL the COMBINED REALITIES of the MULTI-VERSE"

Indeed it is.

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Originally posted by bigbran
Also, where was it stated, that Abraxus could only be destroyed by the UN?

Here ya go:

"It will be a WEAPON of UNIMAGINABLE POWER that will WIN this DAY"

Originally posted by bigbran
Who else fought him, that we could be saying this right now?

The Cosmics were obviously hiding in a corner somewhere.

Abraxas is the MULTI-VERSAL embodiment of Destruction, ONLY the UN could stop him as Roma pointed out, as the story proved.

Originally posted by bigbran
Killing Galactus's off panel?

Off Panel, On Panel, they were murdered one way or another,

and Abraxas does not use weapons or energy sources, so it was with his own power.

Originally posted by bigbran
Killing a bunch of Reeds?

EVERY Reed Richards in the Multi-verse simultaneously, which equals to an Infinite number of Alternate Reed Richards since the Multi-verse is Infinite.

Originally posted by bigbran
Awesome, but it still doesn't equal him fighting Eternity.

Eternity, actually MULTI-ETERNITY was terrified, and had to summon Reed Richards and Dr Druid to get help against Abraxas:

"and where ONE ETERNITY would ensure a BOUNDLESS Universe, a MULTI-ETERNITY would ensure a BOUNDLESS MULTI-VERSE"

"What was revealed to me through the Cosmic Entity known as ETERNITY (MULTI-VERSE)

"Was a Being like NO OTHER I have EVER encountered, his name is ABRAXAS, and to say HE (MULTI-ETERNITY) had nothing to FEAR in our discovery is an UNDERSTATEMENT"

Originally posted by bigbran
Sure he is multiversal, but that doesn't mean that you have to destroy everything to beat him.

Evidently you do.