grant can never beat gouki, people lets face it.
you're not giving me any reason to prove your point, hence the above statement of mine.
why can't grant be like akuma?
grant storywise is so powerful that his body is literally falling apart as the power he has managed to develop is *cough* beyond human. its kinda like Rugal who seld destructed because of overload or like bison in SFa3 where he blew up as the power from the psychodrive became too much for a flesh and blood body to contain.
so the power is indeed way too much and godly.
now please don't tell me that gouki doesn't blow up because his power is natural. that's not true. grant's power is natural too but due to his dedication he's taken it off the charts...which has resulted in his body being destroyed slowly. not to mention how grant simple causes the earth to shake by SIMPLY POWERING UP.
does akuma do that?
no.
oh but the shungoukusatsu, right?
that is a killing move. its got nothing that much to do with power.
-oh but akuma split ayres rock, right?
yeah but grant just shakes the goddamn earth by just powering up. who knows what he's capable of doing if he actually hits something after that.
could it mean that he>Gouki?
from the above....very ****ing likely if not 50/50.
enough gouki fanboyism from the capcom fans please. its getting irritating. other guys out there can very well own him. oro stalemated against him. Gen beat him. Gouken beat him in his younger days. Rugal is even shown beating him and throwing his body away (while no such thing is shown for akuma) even in CvsSNK. no...gouki is not invincible.
~Sado.
Originally posted by Sado22
i think you're being a bit fanboyish/fangirlish.you're not giving me any reason to prove your point, hence the above statement of mine.
why can't grant be like akuma?
grant storywise is so powerful that his body is literally falling apart as the power he has managed to develop is *cough* beyond human. its kinda like Rugal who seld destructed because of overload or like bison in SFa3 where he blew up as the power from the psychodrive became too much for a flesh and blood body to contain.
so the power is indeed way too much and godly.
Please, snk has a habit of making fad bosses that end up getting tooled by regular main characters on a regular basis. Never mind that they are not welll established nor do they ever have descent feats. . I choose gouki because he has solid feats, is well established, and a instant kill. And bisons body is breaking down because he force fed it with psycho energy at an unnatural rate. Which explins why he's the only boss character with that problem.
Originally posted by Sado22
now please don't tell me that gouki doesn't blow up because his power is natural. that's not true. grant's power is natural too but due to his dedication he's taken it off the charts...which has resulted in his body being destroyed slowly. not to mention how grant simple causes the earth to shake by SIMPLY POWERING UP.
does akuma do that?
no.
What are you talking about, who cares if he doesn't cause an earth quake by powering up. That isn't a measure of power it's just Flashy show of power, big difference. Gen does neither of that and look how strong he is, hell he's on par with urien. A guy who can create fissures which cause magma to burst out the earth. And last I checked, when gouki goes in his horse stance, the earth shakes.
Originally posted by Sado22
oh but the shungoukusatsu, right?
that is a killing move. its got nothing that much to do with power.
-oh but akuma split ayres rock, right?
yeah but grant just shakes the goddamn earth by just powering up. who knows what he's capable of doing if he actually hits something after that.
could it mean that he>Gouki?
from the above....very ****ing likely if not 50/50.
LOL, so, your whle argument is based on him shaking the earth?!
Before you accuse people of being fanboys, please have a better argument. Gouki shakes the earth when he punches whilst holding back, Never mind shin gouki.
Originally posted by Sado22
enough gouki fanboyism from the capcom fans please. its getting irritating. other guys out there can very well own him. oro stalemated against him. Gen beat him. Gouken beat him in his younger days. Rugal is even shown beating him and throwing his body away (while no such thing is shown for akuma) even in CvsSNK. no...gouki is not invincible.~Sado.
I don't even like gouki as much as oro or gen, i think your voting for grant out of spite. Rugal beating him is non-canon, he would rape rugal as well.
I am in agreement with asthar, there is no notable demonstration of grants full power... Nor is there anything he's done thats even come close to Akuma...
Shaking the Earth? other than the screen shaking (Which might be enough to rock a city) do you have proof that ETHER character actualy SHAKES THE ENTIRE PLANET? No... didn't think so... those are incredibly cheap arguments.
Akuma shatters islands, Ayers rock... and if you want to go the full monty, a planet busting asteroid... (Non canon as that is.) Grant hasn't even demonstratedf the ability to shatter anything more than bricks, the floor and some flesh and bone.
His body is rotting away due to his power, therefore he must be stronger than Akuma? Hold up... last time I checked, Akuma's body wasn't rotting away becuase his body changed once he accepted the Dark Hadou (The sharklike teeth, the fiery hair, the glowing red eyes... not quite human anymore) No, Akuma's demonstrated levels of power beyond anything Grant or tha majority of SNK fighters now.
Gen never beat him in the story.. Alpha 2 was their only meeting, and akuma won that... they never met in Alpha 3, because if what you just said is true, Gouki would be dead. Oro drew with him, but you'd better think hard as to why, Oro is a 150 year old mystical hermit that knows some pretty powerful martial arts, heck man, he did it single handed.
Your using Rugal as an Example?! your soking something illegal now, and that comment just confirmed it... Regular Rugal gets thorouly owned by gouki, there's no denying this. Rugals power as a regular human is very good, but nowhere near Gouki's level.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Ahem. Grant's deterioration is from a bullet close to his heart, not his power.
Tell that to Sado, he's implying something else entirely...
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Rugal is comparable to SFA Gouki, with Omega Rugal being comparable to Current Gouki.
No, Rugal was never a match for anything exept maybe pre SF1 Gouki, and Omega is closer to SFA Gouki, the difference in power is too great to compare in any other way, since Omega has no real control over his power and dies, whereas Akuma is capable of frightenlngly powerful attacks without the risk of killing himself. More like Goentiz
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Please, snk has a habit of making fad bosses that end up getting tooled by regular main characters on a regular basis. And bisons body is breaking down because he force fed it with psycho energy at an unnatural rate. Which explins why he's the only boss character with that problem.
Never mind that they are not welll established nor do they ever have descent feats. . I choose gouki because he has solid feats, is well established, and a instant kill.
Akuma's solid feets are...destroying an island. splitting ayres rock in half. kicking the shit out of the submarine. impressive, yes i know they are (and akuma is there on my favorite list and NOT grant. just so that you'd know).
Grant's solid feats are powering up to insane levels that cause his body to break down. which is exactly what the case is. i think that is pretty damn impressive since his powerlevel is so much that it destorys him. akuma's level is still not so much that he'd go to bits now is it?
i just think that makes grant pretty much "inhuman" too just like gouki.
terry beating may also mean that Terry has become really great over the years........but of course you won't be convinced now would you 🙄 if hugo survives shinshoryuken doesn't mean that shinshoryuken is NOT that great as people said it was. it just means that Hugo is too strong, right? but grant losing to terry doesn't mean terry is a powerful mofo. it just means grant isn't that strong. Bravo.
What are you talking about, who cares if he doesn't cause an earth quake by powering up. That isn't a measure of power it's just Flashy show of power, big difference. Gen does neither of that and look how strong he is, hell he's on par with urien. A guy who can create fissures which cause magma to burst out the earth. And last I checked, when gouki goes in his horse stance, the earth shakes.
Also Grant did get shot near the heart but that has nothing to do with his body shattering (this isn't gungrave and anti-orcman bullets). his body shatters because of the inhuman strain on it due to him practiscing dark arts.
Shaking the Earth? other than the screen shaking (Which might be enough to rock a city) do you have proof that ETHER character actualy SHAKES THE ENTIRE PLANET? No... didn't think so... those are incredibly cheap arguments.
Akuma shatters islands, Ayers rock... and if you want to go the full monty, a planet busting asteroid... (Non canon as that is.) Grant hasn't even demonstratedf the ability to shatter anything more than bricks, the floor and some flesh and bone.
His body is rotting away due to his power, therefore he must be stronger than Akuma? Hold up... last time I checked, Akuma's body wasn't rotting away becuase his body changed once he accepted the Dark Hadou (The sharklike teeth, the fiery hair, the glowing red eyes... not quite human anymore) No, Akuma's demonstrated levels of power beyond anything Grant or tha majority of SNK fighters now.
Gen never beat him in the story.. Alpha 2 was their only meeting, and akuma won that... they never met in Alpha 3, because if what you just said is true, Gouki would be dead. Oro drew with him, but you'd better think hard as to why, Oro is a 150 year old mystical hermit that knows some pretty powerful martial arts, heck man, he did it single handed.
Your using Rugal as an Example?! your soking something illegal now, and that comment just confirmed it... Regular Rugal gets thorouly owned by gouki, there's no denying this. Rugals power as a regular human is very good, but nowhere near Gouki's level.
IMO capcom seems to give some pretty obvious hints there. but of course this won't convince you. so for now just offer a rebuttle to my "Rugal cleaning home with the KoF95 cast" thing.
the only reason you say akuma is stronger than Rugal is......nothing. you have nothing to say aside from "i like akuma". it translates through well too. akuma has lost many times himself hasn't he? according to darkstorm ryu beat him too (which of course isn't canon). however, for some reason, Rugal>>the whole KoF cast doesn't seem to compare. so what now....ryu>>the KoF cast.
get real peeps.
Originally posted by Sado22
Yoyour point?
the bison bit is true though and i know it already.
My point is inconsistentency and fad bosses will always be ranked lower than real bosses that are esatblished and have feats. Versus a boss who gets jobbed by the main character via plot device after plot device and doesn't even have any solid feats.
Originally posted by Sado22
define what you mean by "established".
Originally posted by Sado22
Akuma's solid feets are...destroying an island. splitting ayres rock in half. kicking the shit out of the submarine. impressive, yes i know they are (and akuma is there on my favorite list and NOT grant. just so that you'd know).
Grant's solid feats are powering up to insane levels that cause his body to break down. which is exactly what the case is. i think that is pretty damn impressive since his powerlevel is so much that it destorys him. akuma's level is still not so much that he'd go to bits now is it?
i just think that makes grant pretty much "inhuman" too just like gouki.
Okay sado, if your going to post arguments like that then I shouldn't bother. Have you ever thought it's because the nature of grants power or that his body isn't strong enough. If the only reason you have for believing grants on par with gouki is because ohim shaking a stage and his body breaking down then your wasting my time.
Originally posted by Sado22
terry beating may also mean that Terry has become really great over the years........but of course you won't be convinced now would you 🙄 if hugo survives shinshoryuken doesn't mean that shinshoryuken is NOT that great as people said it was. it just means that Hugo is too strong, right? but grant losing to terry doesn't mean terry is a powerful mofo. it just means grant isn't that strong. Bravo.
Lol, now your taking this out of context. when have I downplayed terry. I acknowledge geese, yamakazi, and orochi as bosses. Becuse unlike grant they have feats. And also, unlike snk, capcom doesn't have a habit of jobbing bosses left and right or making weaker characters beat well established strong characters.
Originally posted by Sado22
you don't think it shows grant's power? get real mang. by merely powering up he shakes the ground (brings Fist of the northstar to mind). it DOES show his power. you just don't seem to get it. standing there and powering up enough for the earth to tremble is pretty impressive and shows his powerlevel.
his power is so much that his body is shattering. i think it makes all the sense in the world if you see how akuma doesn't do either of the above two. i think it at least makes Grant noteworthy as someone who can make akuma run for his money. besides i do recall mentioning even on my site that akuma WOULD BEAT GRANT. i just don't think the power level is as different as you guys claim it to be.
akuma stomps the ground and shakes it, you're right here. my bad.
All your basically saying is that you think grant is as strong as gouki because he's flashyer. Like I told you before and I even gave you an example with gen. Here's another example, Vega is one of the strongest street fighters, despite being a guy with a claw. Flashy tricks =/= Power. Otherwise gill would dominate oro and gouki.
Yo emperor
My point is inconsistentency and fad bosses will always be ranked lower than real bosses that are esatblished and have feats. Versus a boss who gets jobbed by the main character via plot device after plot device and doesn't even have any solid feats.
Esatblished means a boss who has a history and a solid back story. Not some flashy guy they put just to woo people and ends up losing to the main character when everyone else failed. Also, I means priority in terms of plot
Okay sado, if your going to post arguments like that then I shouldn't bother. Have you ever thought it's because the nature of grants power or that his body isn't strong enough. If the only reason you have for believing grants on par with gouki is because ohim shaking a stage and his body breaking down then your wasting my time.
Lol, now your taking this out of context. when have I downplayed terry. I acknowledge geese, yamakazi, and orochi as bosses. Becuse unlike grant they have feats. And also, unlike snk, capcom doesn't have a habit of jobbing bosses left and right or making weaker characters beat well established strong characters.
All your basically saying is that you think grant is as strong as gouki because he's flashyer. Like I told you before and I even gave you an example with gen. Here's another example, Vega is one of the strongest street fighters, despite being a guy with a claw. Flashy tricks =/= Power. Otherwise gill would dominate oro and gouki.
see ya around. don't get so worked up by the way. its just a videogame. no need to go all "shungoukusatsu" on me no matter how "weird" i may come across as
😂
see ya around dude.
~Sado.
P.S. who is that girl in your signature?
Akuma beats him to death. Terry is said to have beaten Grant. Does Terry make the ground shake? 😆 Grant seems to have more power than HIS body can take. Also even though CVS2 ain't canon, I'll speak on it because it was mentioned. Rugal is revealed to be too weak to handle Akuma's power & his body is consumed by it. Akuma's body seems to be capable of handeling all types of s**t. Some people control power better than others. Grant seems to have a weak body for some reason, perhaps the shot.
Originally posted by Sado22
Yo emperoroversimplification.
you're saying that just cuz someone's been around for longer and happen to beat more guys up (due to their higher timeline) means that they are better than those bosses who happen to come only once or twice.
from that logic, akuma>>Orochi too then, right? but he doesn't.
No, I'm saying someone who's been around longer, has solid feats, A sold backstory, And more experience wins. The only argument you have so far is about grant being able to shake the ground
Originally posted by Sado22
okay okay let me break it down since both of us are failing to see each other's point. you with me? here goes:
grant's power level goes beyond what human body can sustain, hence the break down of his body. similar to Bison and Rugal. the power was too much for a mere humanbody to handle hence why they both blew up. it was beyond human limitations.
needless to say, rugal was terribly powerful. like it or not, he's probably one guy who can take out akuma, as was evident in his pounding the whole KoF95 cast all on his own. Bison, too, would also be too powerful hadn't his body blown up. if his power was measured somehow right-before-he-blew-up he would most definitely be stronger than gouki too since he was absorbing everyone's -ve power from the world over.
so from that logic, grant's power too since it caused a break down of his body means beyond human limitations. and further using that logic it means that his strength is in parr with Gouki's cuz Bison and Rugal's sure as hell was (akuma only managed to kill SF2 bison).
you get it now?
again, i'm not saying grant>gouki. i plainly stated on my site that akuma>grant. i just think grant is one of those characters who'd give akuma a really tough time.
I got the very first time you posted and again just because a character is flashy doesn't mean he's powerful. Your whole argument so far has been about grants body. I already gave you an example as to why your logic is flawed.When you start giving me reasons as to why grant will win other then how his body is falling apart then we can continue this.Using yyour logic, I guess grant is stronger than orochi because his body is falling apart?
Originally posted by Sado22
what is to say that gill wont dominate gouki and oro? you don't know that now do you? its basic speculation on your part. the way i see it, resurrection will take care of most of the problem right? but keeping that side...
my logic as to why grant is in parr with gouki is above. lot of it was because of my not so clear stating and for that i apologize. but at least i think you can probably see it from my point of view.
empathy is the key to LOVE & PEACE 😄see ya around. don't get so worked up by the way. its just a videogame. no need to go all "shungoukusatsu" on me no matter how "weird" i may come across as
😂see ya around dude.
~Sado.
P.S. who is that girl in your signature?
Speculation, Both oro and gouki hold back yet are top tier fighters . Once they release their full power it's easy to see who will dominate.
And ressurection isn't an attack, just becuase he can come back from the dead doesn't mean he will beat them.
The person on my sig is Ms.Josephine Baker,btw.
I got the very first time you posted and again just because a character is flashy doesn't mean he's powerful. Your whole argument so far has been about grants body. I already gave you an example as to why your logic is flawed.When you start giving me reasons as to why grant will win other then how his body is falling apart then we can continue this.Using yyour logic, I guess grant is stronger than orochi because his body is falling apart?
Speculation, Both oro and gouki hold back yet are top tier fighters . Once they release their full power it's easy to see who will dominate.
And ressurection isn't an attack, just becuase he can come back from the dead doesn't mean he will beat them.
I guess grant is stronger than orochi because his body is falling apart?
Akuma beats him to death. Terry is said to have beaten Grant. Does Terry make the ground shake? Grant seems to have more power than HIS body can take. Also even though CVS2 ain't canon, I'll speak on it because it was mentioned. Rugal is revealed to be too weak to handle Akuma's power & his body is consumed by it. Akuma's body seems to be capable of handeling all types of s**t. Some people control power better than others. Grant seems to have a weak body for some reason, perhaps the shot.
The person on my sig is Ms.Josephine Baker,btw.
well i'll see you guys around.
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22
hmmm.....oh well whatever. you just getting it.
even using logic and comparing him rugal and bison isn't enough for you. so its best we leave it at that. after all that i just don't see why you don't understand...unless you don't want to, to begin with which i believe is the case. lets leave it at that.
You don't get it, comparing characters based on looks, status, or tidbits isn't how we debate in game versus. Using your logic, I can say blanka is stronger than vega because he's green and can shocks people. It's a shallow way of debating characters.
Originally posted by Sado22
so basically he can come back from anything akuma and onearmed freak are gonna throw at him.
Originally posted by Sado22
orochi=divine creature
grant=normal human being
do the math, sherlock😉
😂
Right, divine creature who gets beaten by humans. A title doesn't mean much in battles.
Originally posted by Sado22
[sarcasm]doesn't that mean that MAYBE terry has gotten really strong since he's survived godtiers before too.
of course not.
but of course, hugo surviving shinshoryuken doesn't mean ryu's weak. it just means that hugo is too strong. so if terry beats someone....he just happens to be weak.[/sarcasm]
get real
Or maybe snk made terry win because grant s nothing but a jobber boss which snk makes for the games convienence. Example: Igniz, defeats the entire kof cast, yet loses to kyo, iori, and K.
So, going by that kyo, iori, and K>Igniz>Kof 2001 cast.
And your example with ryu isn't helping, yes, hugo survived ryu's strongest attack (Despite that being unconfirmed) does that mean he was fine afterwards? The point is we don't know,hell that blow could have been the deciding factor in that fight.
Originally posted by Sado22😆 Never miss an opportunity to trash Ryu huh man? Nobody's implying that Terry's weak or that he only can beat weak people. Do hardcore Terry fans have some sort of persecution complex or something? My post was trying to stress that ground shaking isn't as impressive to the rest of us. If ground shaking was all that tough how can Terry (who doesn't shake the ground) beat Grant(who obviously is the toughest guy ever because he makes the ground shake)?🙂
[sarcasm]doesn't that mean that MAYBE terry has gotten really strong since he's survived godtiers before too.
of course not.
but of course, hugo surviving shinshoryuken doesn't mean ryu's weak. it just means that hugo is too strong. so if terry beats someone....he just happens to be weak.[/sarcasm]
get real
This could be a case similar to Gen. I'm going out on a limb with this, so bear with me. Grant has a bullet imbedded in his chest very close to his heart. He was shot defending Kain. The bullet affected his motor skills and abilities. And eventually, it will kill him. Soooo, how powerful would he be without that handicap?