Grant vs Akuma

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
it was the only time you see it in the game though, and it looked like actual smoke rather than steam.

I know, But iut seems more to show gouki's power than anything else. He does it in the poster for alpha 2

Yeah, I saw it, and it's Ironic, that Alpha 2 is also the only In Game smoke you see 😛

On another note, I think I also saw that Gouki's blood is green, going by his SF3 2nd impact defeated shot.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Yeah, I saw it, and it's Ironic, that Alpha 2 is also the only In Game smoke you see 😛

On another note, I think I also saw that Gouki's blood is green, going by his SF3 2nd impact defeated shot.

I used to think that, it's a pallet swap though.

Oh, yeah, you mean like the white blood spurts you get in games like Metal Slug (I'm still trying to erase my memory of that.... it looked like sprays of something it shouldn't like spilled milk). 😘

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Oh, yeah, you mean like the white blood spurts you get in games like Metal Slug (I'm still trying to erase my memory of that.... it looked like sprays of something it shouldn't like spilled milk). 😘

That game was fun, but, very difficult.

I now own 3 of the home games for PS2... they are cool. I wonder if MS6 is going to be released for PS2...

3-on-one....so i guess i'm ignitz here. 😂
oh man in two days this damn thing has gotten pretty far. sheesh.
okay here we go...................againwallbash

Please answer one thing before i mention THREE MORE points later on.

Why does "advanced motor skills" and "shattering body due to over powering" not count as power? i really wanna know.

that said lets make it clear that i have no beef against any one of you three. if you think i've been rude at any point, my apologies, but know that it was not my intention.

now for the three things i mentioned.
first of all emperor: how about you actually reply to what i'm saying instead of repeating your stuff from the first day. that big ass reply to you was not beef or anything but just something that you could think over and reply. stop repeating......or i'll leave😄

second: all of you three! I NEVER SAID GRANT>AKUMA.

third, its really, really funny to see you guys reply to me ONLY regarding the ground shaking. kickass stuff here really. maybe you all should read what i said before again so you'd actually see what i'm saying. you guys are replying ONLY to the ground shaking bit. you all conveniently ignore my mentioning:
-advanced motor skills (which would technically mean beyond human)
-body shattering.
which i happen to emphasize the most.

but for some reason that just doesn't count. why?
okay wait i think i know:
because capcom bosses have established feets and snk bosses have been jobbers. perfect logic. and on top of all that, I am the biased one just cuz i don't think that Capcom bosses are the greatest bosses of videogame history 😮‍💨

if i mention body shattering, and how bison and rugal too suffered from that, then you guys mention that i can't.
what's that a ground rule?
i don't recall you people being the judges to decide what should be brought in and what not. not to mention it does serve as a common example since Bison and Rugal too self destructed. but wait....i can't do that.

why don't you guys read over my posts and try to think about it instead of coming out here and trying to act too smart by using the ground shaking as a scape goat to rubb that in my face like you guys are really too smart. its ridiculous and bad comedy.
seeing you all team up together, act against me as if this is life and death, taking everything so seriously and personally and conveniently ignoring my main point is the hieght.

..... You just insulted me..... Ok, you've now struck a bad cord with me... This? This coming from the SNK Biased Sado... All you've offered in terms of a debate, is less than circumatancial evidence that isn't supported by anything official let alone fact. you've used Taimat's oppinion and conjecture, "Grant shakes the Earth by powering up, therefore he wins" and "Rugal had a better intro sequence, therefore he wins" are not debate winning arguments, in fact, they have no actual bareing on the case, since one is exactly the same as Akuma's demonstration, and the other is not based on anything concrete.

-stop referring ONLY to ground shaking. that's not my main point.

-stop right there. i never said grant beats akuma.

-SNK biased Sado? that's a laugh. i am not the one going around saying every snk boss is a jobber, the heroes of SNK win only by PIS and plot device, oh and Capcom bosses happen to be the only established bosses produced. apparently if someone doesn't put Capcom characters on the pedestral of holiness, then he's biased. you've got some nerve there, mang.

-the Rugal bit was something i took and said it looked like a hint to me. your putting words in my mouth again.

-i never said grant>akuma. in fact i clearly said, akuma>grant. stop putting words in my mouth...again.

-who'se insulting you? i'm not insulting anyone here...or atleast that is not my intention. if you guys are getting worked up over a debate about videogame characters to the extent that you are taking it personally is really....nevermind. don't wanna make it worse. okay, darkstorm, I'm sorry.
however, watching you come out here and purposely taking everyone's attention away from my main point, putting words in my mouth and using it against me IS insulting me too. just for the record to let you know. but you know what? I'm cool with it. I'm not coming out here and saying you and i are on bad terms and stuff like that. i personally think internet wars suck. they really do. and i'm looking at a 3page argument between what i assume are 4 grown ups, as proof.
Brainchild and i don't agree on anything. you don't see me and him hating each other's guts and insulting each other. i respect him for what he likes and thinks and i ASSUME he does too. i got no beef with you dude. no beef whatsoever. nor do i have it with emperor and trickster...though emperor seems to think that i do and so do you. for that i really got nothing to say excpet "lighten up, dudes, its a videogame" and apologize which i already did twice.

and for the record

On another note, I think I also saw that Gouki's blood is green, going by his SF3 2nd impact defeated shot.

I'm not claiming alpha 2 endings are not canon, all the endings in alpha 2 are canon with the exception of charlie's. What happened was gouki, whilst holding back fought ryu. But, on his own will ended the fight because he sensed ryu had satsu no hadou. He told him to developed it and all his previous fights will seeem like childsplay, then sunk goukentou. there was no winner, gouki spared ryu actually.

Ryu never beat gouki, btw. And why are you using events from alpha 3 as conjecture sado. That game should never be taken seriously in terms of canon.

Pyron and Jedah can, they can pretty much destroy everybody in SF too.

One last thing, just because one character beats another in story, does not mean they can do it regularly or without PIS, and if all the chips are down, if both fighters arn't holding back, the results may have been very different that what trnaspires in a fighting game story most of the time. Alot of matches are rigged by the story to make the stronger characters lose, does this affect their strength? no... Ryu's lost a number of times, I admit this, Bison's lost his life twice, does that make him weak? No.... Hell man, Sagat lost to DAN for christ sake, does that mean Dan's stronger than Sagat? not a damn chance... Sado, W/L records do not accurately show a characters strength, Feats and demonstrated abilities do.

Your debating solely Omega there, I said, Regular Rugal is about as strong as Pre SF1 Gouki, which is still pretty strong. while Omega is about as strong as Alpha 2 Akuma, Lets examine that, Rugal, while having absolutely no control over his power, self detonated, releasing all of his body's power at once in an omnidirectional attack, it was enough to blow up a base... Akuma, destroyed an island with a single focused punch, not quite everything, and he ws already beaten by Ryu, but it's still a little stronger than Omega's highest showing. God Rugal is about on par with current Akuma / Shin Akuma.

Ah, the interpretation of a non-canon games opening animations, read the damn story, Rugal was the only one planning to combine the two powers, Akuma only wanted to fight. God Rugals into sequence is only to show off his new powers (Freshly aquired from Akuma), and it shows his more vicious streak, that all, no greater power levels, AND, Akuma was shaking the place up in his transformatiuon sequence is that an excuse? no...

well see ya guys around and hopefully by the next posts you guys calm down a bit. big smile, folks, big smile!😄

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
second: all of you three! I NEVER SAID GRANT>AKUMA.

Thats not the impression I got, from either thread...

Originally posted by Sado22
third, its really, really funny to see you guys reply to me ONLY regarding the ground shaking. kickass stuff here really. maybe you all should read what i said before again so you'd actually see what i'm saying. you guys are replying ONLY to the ground shaking bit. you all conveniently ignore my mentioning:
-advanced motor skills (which would technically mean beyond human)
-body shattering.
which i happen to emphasize the most.

but for some reason that just doesn't count. why?
okay wait i think i know:
because capcom bosses have established feets and snk bosses have been jobbers. perfect logic. and on top of all that, I am the biased one just cuz i don't think that Capcom bosses are the greatest bosses of videogame history 😮‍💨

if i mention body shattering, and how bison and rugal too suffered from that, then you guys mention that i can't.
what's that a ground rule?
i don't recall you people being the judges to decide what should be brought in and what not. not to mention it does serve as a common example since Bison and Rugal too self destructed. but wait....i can't do that.

why don't you guys read over my posts and try to think about it instead of coming out here and trying to act too smart by using the ground shaking as a scape goat to rubb that in my face like you guys are really too smart. its ridiculous and bad comedy.
seeing you all team up together, act against me as if this is life and death, taking everything so seriously and personally and conveniently ignoring my main point is the hieght.

I didn't elaborate on the Body degeneration stuff because i was told it was due to a bullet to the heart, hardly a demonstration of power, that just shows endurance, if I am mistaken on this point, then tell me so I can argue it proper.

As for advanced motor skills, that really doesn't tell me much... focused senses? Akuma has those, he needs them for teleporting, pinpoint accuracy, got that too, because he moves pretty quickly, and all of his fights with gen means he needs incredible accuracy to block Gen's equally accureate and quick nerve strikes.

Originally posted by Sado22
-stop referring ONLY to ground shaking. that's not my main point.

-stop right there. i never said grant beats akuma.

I didn't see the overall relevance of the other two, since like the Shaking stuff, it's a moot point.

Originally posted by Sado22
-SNK biased Sado? that's a laugh. i am not the one going around saying every snk boss is a jobber, the heroes of SNK win only by PIS and plot device, oh and Capcom bosses happen to be the only established bosses produced. apparently if someone doesn't put Capcom characters on the pedestral of holiness, then he's biased. you've got some nerve there, mang.

I didn't call any SNK bosses Jobbers, I have alot of respect for SNK characters as a whole, and IU've defended them against Street Fighter Bias debaters numerous times... But so far, I havn't seen a positive Street fighter comment from you, hence....

Originally posted by Sado22
-the Rugal bit was something i took and said it looked like a hint to me. your putting words in my mouth again.

How else was that meant to be taken? you said Rugal IS more powerful based on that, rather than looking at the facts...

Originally posted by Sado22
-i never said grant>akuma. in fact i clearly said, akuma>grant. stop putting words in my mouth...again.

I didn't see that on this thread... Someone said grant = akuma, I intended to debunk that without running the other thread off topic.

Originally posted by Sado22
-who'se insulting you? i'm not insulting anyone here...or atleast that is not my intention. if you guys are getting worked up over a debate about videogame characters to the extent that you are taking it personally is really....nevermind. don't wanna make it worse. okay, darkstorm, I'm sorry.

It's not the debating stuff I'm getting insulted by... you p[retty much labeled me a fanboy despite my attempts to debate properly, thats my beef.

Originally posted by Sado22
however, watching you come out here and purposely taking everyone's attention away from my main point, putting words in my mouth and using it against me IS insulting me too. just for the record to let you know. but you know what? I'm cool with it. I'm not coming out here and saying you and i are on bad terms and stuff like that. i personally think internet wars suck. they really do. and i'm looking at a 3page argument between what i assume are 4 grown ups, as proof.
Brainchild and i don't agree on anything. you don't see me and him hating each other's guts and insulting each other. i respect him for what he likes and thinks and i ASSUME he does too. i got no beef with you dude. no beef whatsoever. nor do i have it with emperor and trickster...though emperor seems to think that i do and so do you. for that i really got nothing to say excpet "lighten up, dudes, its a videogame" and apologize which i already did twice.

I didn't like saying what I said, especially to a new guy, but I have seen MANY posts by you devaluing Street Fighter in what appeared to be a belated attempt to boost SNK's image here... I have no actual beef youth you personally, I guess being sick for the past two weeks took it's toll on my patience, I normally don't flip like I did over a matter so small (You should see some of my earlier threads with Shin Remy... People think I had the patience of a Shaolin Monk...)

Anyways, it wasn't my intention to have a go at you either, nor was it to put words in your mouth, I guess it was just me assuming again, my apollogies.

Originally posted by Sado22
in the japanese version its blood. regular red blood. probably capcom of US thought it looked too gory. kinda like Iori spitting out green blood as riot in US version of KoF97. pretty stupid really.

I never got to see it! 🙁 I beleive that would have looked cool...

Originally posted by Sado22
i'll just point out something (and again this is no flame) that the way i look at it, if the companies making the game don't give a reason as to why one character lost then i'm given to assume that the fight was fair. just for the sake of example:
Sagat lost to dan cuz canonwise he purposely let dan hit him and pretended to be KO'd.
Ryu lost to Ken in SFA2 cuz canonwise he was upset about his confrontation with Bison and the darkhadou in his own body.
Ryu lost to Sakura on purpose.
however, yes, you are right in what you are saying...there are lots of factors that do count in a fight, not just win and loss.

Like I said, alot of the fights that turn out to be Canon, have actually been cases of PIS and/or CIS, especially when it's a weaker character winning, or doing something outside of their normal capabilities...

Originally posted by Sado22
shin akuma IS akuma. shin akuma is basically akuma fighting with his full power and not holding back.
your argument is logical and makes perfect sense too. however, rugal's power consumed him and wrecked the base cuz that was the only thing in the vicinity to be wrecked. water can't be destroyed or anything now can it. same goes for akuma. for all we know the island wasn't that big since it was only him living there. same with rugal's base. we don't know how big it was. also i'm not quite sure it was omnidirectional, i'll check once i go home. if i remember it was a straight beam....and if what i remember is true then i think it does give akuma a run for his money since you're comparing. lets wait and see.

I know this... Implicitly... However in CVS2, they are infact separate characters, with Akuma "transforming" into Akuma.

Originally posted by Sado22
now why couldn't you argue like that before. that's what i'm talking about. i assume akuma shaking the ground was capcom's way of showing off just a glimpse of his power was it not? nonetheless like you said we really can't argue about htis since its non-canon.

well see ya guys around and hopefully by the next posts you guys calm down a bit. big smile, folks, big smile!😄

~Sado

Thats all for now, I'll post again later!

Originally posted by Sado22
3-on-one....so i guess i'm ignitz here. 😂
oh man in two days this damn thing has gotten pretty far. sheesh.
okay here we go...................againwallbash

Please answer one thing before i mention THREE MORE points later on.

Why does "advanced motor skills" and "shattering body due to over powering" not count as power? i really wanna know.

Because they are analysis based on appearence and not performence. I swear I said this before three times nonetheless, that you cannot judge a chacters abilities by his appearence alone.

Originally posted by Sado22

that said lets make it clear that i have no beef against any one of you three. if you think i've been rude at any point, my apologies, but know that it was not my intention.

now for the three things i mentioned.
first of all emperor: how about you actually reply to what i'm saying instead of repeating your stuff from the first day. that big ass reply to you was not beef or anything but just something that you could think over and reply. stop repeating......or i'll leave😄

second: all of you three! I NEVER SAID GRANT>AKUMA.

third, its really, really funny to see you guys reply to me ONLY regarding the ground shaking. kickass stuff here really. maybe you all should read what i said before again so you'd actually see what i'm saying. you guys are replying ONLY to the ground shaking bit. you all conveniently ignore my mentioning:
-advanced motor skills (which would technically mean beyond human)
-body shattering.
which i happen to emphasize the most.

And those arguments are different from earth shaking how, and I answered your claim pertaining to "Body Shattering" right off the bat sado. I'll repeat myself again, Stop basing your arguments on a characters appearence. I don't care if grant farts angels, give me some feats or get out, straight up.

Originally posted by Sado22

but for some reason that just doesn't count. why?
okay wait i think i know:
because capcom bosses have established feets and snk bosses have been jobbers. perfect logic. and on top of all that, I am the biased one just cuz i don't think that Capcom bosses are the greatest bosses of videogame history 😮‍💨

Where did I say that capcom bosses are the greates, man your coming off like a real fanboy. According to you, characters with No Feats who barely make multiple canon appearence's and get jobbed all time. Are stronger than bosses that have solid feats, Esatablished as god tier, and well explained abilities simply because they look like it?!

Originally posted by Sado22

if i mention body shattering, and how bison and rugal too suffered from that, then you guys mention that i can't.
what's that a ground rule?

Because none of that shit matters, screw his body breaking down because of the psycho drive. Focus on his feat, what can rugal do that makes him on par with bison.Die?

Originally posted by Sado22

i don't recall you people being the judges to decide what should be brought in and what not. not to mention it does serve as a common example since Bison and Rugal too self destructed. but wait....i can't do that.

Read the rules, it's the against the rules to argue a character is stronger than the other based on you thinking they are cooler in comparison. Not only that, it's fanboyish.

Originally posted by Sado22

why don't you guys read over my posts and try to think about it instead of coming out here and trying to act too smart by using the ground shaking as a scape goat to rubb that in my face like you guys are really too smart. its ridiculous and bad comedy.

Yeah, that argument is bad comedy, the fact you brought that up makes me laugh.

Originally posted by Sado22

seeing you all team up together, act against me as if this is life and death, taking everything so seriously and personally and conveniently ignoring my main point is the hieght.

I will post it again, basing characters soley on appearence and having similar back stories is not a valid argument. I don't care about earth shaking,body shattering, and motor skills (Whatever the hell that has to do with anything give me feats.

Originally posted by Sado22

-stop referring ONLY to ground shaking. that's not my main point.

-stop right there. i never said grant beats akuma.

-SNK biased Sado? that's a laugh. i am not the one going around saying every snk boss is a jobber, the heroes of SNK win only by PIS and plot device, oh and Capcom bosses happen to be the only established bosses produced. apparently if someone doesn't put Capcom characters on the pedestral of holiness, then he's biased. you've got some nerve there, mang.

So, snk bosses don't lose everygame to one team, please sado.

Originally posted by Sado22

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in the japanese version its blood. regular red blood. probably capcom of US thought it looked too gory. kinda like Iori spitting out green blood as riot in US version of KoF97. pretty stupid really.

Actually, in the american version it's green as well. I owned the game.

Originally posted by Sado22

it is canon, emperor. bison blowing up was canon. ryu forefeiting the dark hadou for ever was also canon. one last confrontation between gen and akuma was also canon. ALpha1 is the only one that wasn't canon. not to mention Chunli, Guile and Charlie taking out Bison and Ryu, sakura, ken and SAgat's confrontation with Bison.

Wrong again, alpha 1 and street fighter new generation are not canon. And ryu never beat gouki, nowhere does it say that.

Originally posted by Sado22

i'll just point out something (and again this is no flame) that the way i look at it, if the companies making the game don't give a reason as to why one character lost then i'm given to assume that the fight was fair. just for the sake of example:
Sagat lost to dan cuz canonwise he purposely let dan hit him and pretended to be KO'd.
Ryu lost to Ken in SFA2 cuz canonwise he was upset about his confrontation with Bison and the darkhadou in his own body.
Ryu lost to Sakura on purpose.
however, yes, you are right in what you are saying...there are lots of factors that do count in a fight, not just win and loss.

All those fights that have weaker characters beating stronger characters in street fighter have detailed explanations. Versus snk who never provides one except one time, zero in kof 2000

Hey peeps!
now this is more like it. i come back from an oral presentation on Nathaniel Hawthorne infront of two girls who hate my guts for some reason and find you two here, talking without the anger. now that's cool! i'm still shuddering after all those blood curling stares i got from those chicks!boxed
now
first off, thanx for accepting my apologies and further more for putting up with a lot of this crap for the past 2-3 days. i guess its all taken a tole on us🙂
glad we all settled this like grown up, non-fanboys/fangirls.

Thats not the impression I got, from either thread

didn't elaborate on the Body degeneration stuff because i was told it was due to a bullet to the heart, hardly a demonstration of power, that just shows endurance, if I am mistaken on this point, then tell me so I can argue it proper.

As for advanced motor skills, that really doesn't tell me much... focused senses? Akuma has those, he needs them for teleporting, pinpoint accuracy, got that too, because he moves pretty quickly, and all of his fights with gen means he needs incredible accuracy to block Gen's equally accureate and quick nerve strikes.

I didn't call any SNK bosses Jobbers, I have alot of respect for SNK characters as a whole, and IU've defended them against Street Fighter Bias debaters numerous times... But so far, I havn't seen a positive Street fighter comment from you, hence

How else was that meant to be taken? you said Rugal IS more powerful based on that, rather than looking at the facts

I didn't see that on this thread... Someone said grant = akuma, I intended to debunk that without running the other thread off topic.

It's not the debating stuff I'm getting insulted by... you p[retty much labeled me a fanboy despite my attempts to debate properly, thats my beef.

I didn't like saying what I said, especially to a new guy, but I have seen MANY posts by you devaluing Street Fighter in what appeared to be a belated attempt to boost SNK's image here... I have no actual beef youth you personally, I guess being sick for the past two weeks took it's toll on my patience, I normally don't flip like I did over a matter so small (You should see some of my earlier threads with Shin Remy... People think I had the patience of a Shaolin Monk...)

Anyways, it wasn't my intention to have a go at you either, nor was it to put words in your mouth, I guess it was just me assuming again, my apollogies.

Like I said, alot of the fights that turn out to be Canon, have actually been cases of PIS and/or CIS, especially when it's a weaker character winning, or doing something outside of their normal capabilities

Thats all for now, I'll post again later!

~Sado

Yo

Because they are analysis based on appearence and not performence. I swear I said this before three times nonetheless, that you cannot judge a chacters abilities by his appearence alone.

And those arguments are different from earth shaking how, and I answered your claim pertaining to "Body Shattering" right off the bat sado. I'll repeat myself again, Stop basing your arguments on a characters appearence. I don't care if grant farts angels, give me some feats or get out, straight up.

Where did I say that capcom bosses are the greates, man your coming off like a real fanboy. According to you, characters with No Feats who barely make multiple canon appearence's and get jobbed all time. Are stronger than bosses that have solid feats, Esatablished as god tier, and well explained abilities simply because they look like it?!

Because none of that shit matters, screw his body breaking down because of the psycho drive. Focus on his feat, what can rugal do that makes him on par with bison.Die?

Read the rules, it's the against the rules to argue a character is stronger than the other based on you thinking they are cooler in comparison. Not only that, it's fanboyish.

Yeah, that argument is bad comedy, the fact you brought that up makes me laugh.

I addressed your main point three times, I REPEAT,THREE TIMES.
I will post it again, basing characters soley on appearence and having similar back stories is not a valid argument. I don't care about earth shaking,body shattering, and motor skills (Whatever the hell that has to do with anything give me feats.

So, snk bosses don't lose everygame to one team, please sado

Actually, in the american version it's green as well. I owned the game.

Wrong again, alpha 1 and street fighter new generation are not canon. And ryu never beat gouki, nowhere does it say that.

Be cool, bub. meeting people who don't see your point is also part of life. learn to live with it. See ya.

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
Yo

.....oh well. i guess we both of to live with our "failure to get to other's point" then, huh?

I don't see what's so hard to understand, I've asked you so many times to name feats that put grant on par with gouki. Instead you just keep harping about 3 irrelevant things.

Ground Shaking: Alot of people can make the ground shake, including gouki. Making the ground shake doesn't mean he's on par with gouki because it doesn't tell me his fighting power. It just tells me that he can make the ground shake.So, can alot of non boss characters in street fighter.

Body Shattering: Have you ever though just maybe it's the nature of grant's power to destroy his body regardless of how powerful he is? You keep bringing up bison and rugal as an example, yet, explain to me this. Why do bosses who are stronger than rugal do not suffer the sme affliction?

Advance Motor skills: Should I address this?

Instead of focusing on: Experience, technique, ability, etc. You focus on three of the most unimportant things.

Originally posted by Sado22

you said the f word!nono
did i say stronger....aside from me mentioning that Rugal>akuma.
if its any condolence, Rugal was in TWO KoF's. from SNk standards thats a lot. lol. as to why i think so, i mentioned to Darkstorm above. but its my opinon.....
and for the record, i'm not the one who got so pissed off and made a whole new seperate thread on "akuma vs grant" just cuz another person happen to think that akuma and grant would be a tough bout. so you wanna talk about "fanboyism"? whose thinkin like one now?
but you know what...lets drop it already [the last line is not me trying to get a point ahead of you or something. if you think so then take a shot at me and i'll keep quiet]. this shit's gotten too far too soon. **** it. you know what, you say grant'd lose. darkstorm thinks he'd lose. brainchild thinks he'd lose. I think he'd lose...but after a fight. so whats the ****ing difference, huh? oh yeah and trickster too.

Um, I didn't make this thread, so, I dunno what the your talking about.
And pyou used the "F" word originally, stop the hypocritism.

Originally posted by Sado22

err....annihilating the whole KoF casts until he happen to self destruct which later characters would call luck for themselves.

you said the f word again!nono
the only thing cooler about grant as opposed to akuma is that he doesn't wear anal beads around his neck😆
but me saying grant and akuma is a good fight has nothing to do with coolness. you think powering up to insane levels of body breaking isn't a feet. i think it is. period.
*vincent vega imitation*
"now you're telling me that don't mean shit and i'm tell you it does."
we cool?

I explained 5 times why that shit isn't a feat, and your asking again. Your obviously ignoring my arguments. Again, that isn't a feat because it does not tell us grants abilities, experience, technique, etc.

Originally posted by Sado22

what was bad comedy was having you all get steamed up and ignore my main points and you still ARE pretty steamed dude. chill. i've had you, darkstom, brainchild and trickster constantly after me and arguing and misunderstanding and misusing all my quotes and points for 2 days straight. all that with two midterm papers, an oral presentation AND hard ass finals coming up......you see me lose my cool. and look at you:
*licks finger and puts it on your head*
ssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
ow hot! 🙂

Originally posted by Sado22

what i said before the preivous reply. its all opinion dude and what appeals to one. i think its a feat. i don't find one hits kills cool. i find them overrated. but i'm not stopping you from using it am I now?

And that's the problem, It isn't about what appeals to you. It's about what's relevant to this fight.

Originally posted by Sado22

SF3 2nd strike?
i just played it the other day and it was red. you probably have the fake hahahaha. just kidding.

2nd strike?

Originally posted by Sado22

that's exactly what i said. You said SFA3 was non canon and i replied that no, SFA1 was.
SF new generation is not exactly noncanon since it is the same as SF3 2nd impact, just with more characters in it. also the endings are the same too.

Be cool, bub. meeting people who don't see your point is also part of life. learn to live with it. See ya.

~Sado

New generation isn't canon just like alpha 1. And I never said alpha 3 wasn't canon, I said it's full of non canon endings, pay attention.

*puts on intense heat resistant body suit*
Hey!

Ground Shaking: Alot of people can make the ground shake, including gouki. Making the ground shake doesn't mean he's on par with gouki because it doesn't tell me his fighting power. It just tells me that he can make the ground shake.So, can alot of non boss characters in street fighter.

Body Shattering: Have you ever though just maybe it's the nature of grant's power to destroy his body regardless of how powerful he is? You keep bringing up bison and rugal as an example, yet, explain to me this. Why do bosses who are stronger than rugal do not suffer the sme affliction?

Rugal "took" it from Geonitz. geonitz, Orochi 3 face team, Orochi and all have that power as NATURAL to them hence they don't break down. simple. in the nest Saga, those guys were genetically manufactured to hold that kind of power. simple again. now you know?
yes i have, for the record, but since its unconfirmed i don't go around making guesses. since SNK never expalined it and only said that his body detrioates cuz of it overpowering.

Advance Motor skills: Should I address this?

Instead of focusing on: Experience, technique, ability, etc. You focus on three of the most unimportant things.

Um, I didn't make this thread, so, I dunno what the your talking about. And you used the "F" word originally, stop the hypocritism.

Ignoring, So despite giving 5 responses to your weak arguments I'm ignoring them?!

And that's the problem, It isn't about what appeals to you. It's about what's relevant to this fight.

2nd strike?

New generation isn't canon just like alpha 1. And I never said alpha 3 wasn't canon, I said it's full of non canon endings, pay attention.

as for your comment on SFA3, well all games have some noncanon elements. but yes i get your meaning.

~Sado
p.s. at least this thing is more or less over. good.

Originally posted by Sado22
look forward to that
so whos the top. Iori? Kyo? oh yeah, of course, TERRY!

if i knew the answer to the question i asked you i wouldn't be asking it now would i?

Originally posted by Sado22
i'm confused. people always seem to retort to my comment that ryu is THAT strong since he couldn't KO hugo.

Originally posted by Sado22
for some reason that always presses buttons and the reaction i get is the same from what i got from you, darkstrom, and emperor:
Hugo is very powerful.

however, if Ryu would've beaten akuma then that would mean that ryu is VERY powerful. But if Kyo and Iori beat Orochi...then Orochi is weak. that is the logic of SF fans that always pisses me off.

Originally posted by Sado22
another thing that pisses me off:

SF fanboy: man every videogame rips off street fighter. kazuya rips of Ryu with his EGWF and his rising sun (the spinning four jump kicks). Kyo rips off Ryu with the shoryuken. Ryo is a ryu wanna be. Akira wear clothes like Ryu.

Originally posted by Sado22
Sado: hey wait! so if that is the case then Capcom rips off their own design more than anyone else!

Originally posted by Sado22
*puts on intense heat resistant body suit*
Hey!

gouki STOMPS the ground. Grant just freaking stands there. its similar to superduperorochiakuma/shiner akuma (or whatever he's called) does in CvsSNK2...its obviously suppossed to show how he's become stronger than before. THAT is what i meant by feet. to me someone who can shake the damn earth by simply powering up counts as a feet. to you it doesn't. to me instant kill isn't exactly a feet. its an example of over-rating someone (think Ryo for instance, and his "deadly one hit" super). wakarou ka?

I don't see how something that can decide a battle (An Instant Kill) not count as feat despite being completely relevant to a versus match. what does earth shaking during a power up give grant in terms of battle advantage.

Originally posted by Sado22

Rugal's wasn't natural power doh which is even confirmed by Iori mocking Rugal by saying "only the ones with the blood can control such power. you never had a chance!"doh

Bottom line is just because grants body is shattering, doesn't mean he's god tier.

Originally posted by Sado22

Rugal "took" it from Geonitz. geonitz, Orochi 3 face team, Orochi and all have that power as NATURAL to them hence they don't break down. simple. in the nest Saga, those guys were genetically manufactured to hold that kind of power. simple again. now you know?
yes i have, for the record, but since its unconfirmed i don't go around making guesses. since SNK never expalined it and only said that his body detrioates cuz of it overpowering.]

Rugal got his ass whopped by goenitz and his eye gouged out. Goenitz gave him the power, he didn't take anything butt his ass on a platter.
And thinks for proving my point, Rugals body problems come from his lack of control and the nature of his power. He just also happens to be a boss.

Originally posted by Sado22

Grant's been fighting since he was child and has been training in his "fist of transcedence" arts for a long time too. so that's experience.
techniques...well play the game.
ability..don't see the point to mention all of the previous bits. to me advanced motor skills just happens to be part of "ability". don't know about you.
so there you go.

What the hell are advance motor skils!?

And why the hell didn't you mention his experience before?!

Originally posted by Sado22

not to flame you, bud, but NO ONE here decides what's relevant. its about time you understand that. its the way we see things. IMO maybe its time you cool down and try seeing what 'I' am trying to say.

Yeah, they do, If I start talking about how cool bisons hat is and that just because he wears one he would win whatever versus match he's in. Those that mean I have a solid argument just cause I Think So?

Originally posted by Sado22

street fighter3: giant attack (the new comers)
around here we call it second strike for the heck of it.

I have never seen anyone call double impct "Second Strike"

Originally posted by Sado22

hmmmmmm....oh well.
SF3 is canon like i said its just that giant attack has the newer characters in it. the endings for ryu, ken etc are the same for the returning characters as in SF giant attack. hence its canon too (as opposed to SFA1 which had totally different and conflicting endings)

No, it's not canon,

I don't see how something that can decide a battle (An Instant Kill) not count as feat despite being completely relevant to a versus match. what does earth shaking during a power up give grant in terms of battle advantage.

Is rugal grant?

Do they have the same power?

Is rugal even in this match?

Bottom line is just because grants body is shattering, doesn't mean he's god tier

Rugal got his ass whopped by goenitz and his eye gouged out. Goenitz gave him the power, he didn't take anything butt his ass on a platter.

And thinks for proving my point, Rugals body problems come from his lack of control and the nature of his power. He just also happens to be a boss.

What the hell are advance motor skils!?

And why the hell didn't you mention his experience before?!

Yeah, they do, If I start talking about how cool bisons hat is and that just because he wears one he would win whatever versus match he's in. Those that mean I have a solid argument just cause I Think So?

I have never seen anyone call double impct "Second Strike"

No, it's not canon,

see ya.
~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
.....as i said i think instant kills are over-rated. that's all.

Good for you but, it has alot of relevance in this match.

Originally posted by Sado22

will similar make you happy? what about my real idea=comparable?

Comparable in what way, last I check grant is dying because he has a bullet in his heart and Not because he cannot control the growth of his power. Also, Bison's body (Since you brought him up also) is maxed out with psycho energy in alpha 3, since it's gatthering all the negative energy on the planet will do that to you and his body can't hold all that power. Now, how are they comparable, despite having completely different themes.

One has no control, the other no more spce, and the last a bullet in the heart. Any other comparison you want to make like favorite food or hobbies?

Originally posted by Sado22

*don't see the point of reiterating over and over again*
never mind.

you don't have to since I did it for ou several times.

Originally posted by Sado22

😉he took it on a silver platter actually (minues the eye gouging) 😉

Sure...

Originally posted by Sado22

i thought they weren't the same like two minutes ago.

Originally posted by Sado22

i was assuming you knew that already.

This is why we do not ASS-U-ME.

Originally posted by Sado22

i never said something like that. it all boils down to one thing:
to me if someone can shake the earth by just powering (akuma STOMPS the ground. Grant just stands there) is pretty impressive. but whatever....nevermind all that.

Yeah, I find it impressive too. I'm just wondering how it can have relevance to this battle versus a match ender I.E instant kill, which you feel doesn't.

So, basically it boils down to earth shaking being so cool that it places grant on par with gouki with nothing to show for it I.E basing a characters power tier on appearence alone. Not one thing you've said so far relates to grants abilit, skill, and fighting power. Just The fact you neglect match enders (Shungokusatsu) and repeat the same lame point over an over does not help. We get it, But, it's not good enough sado. otherwise characters like rose,and urien would be god tier.

Originally posted by Sado22

which is exactly why i mentioned "around here we call it second strike for the heck of it".

who's we, never seen anyone call the game second strike until now.

Originally posted by Sado22

which one? SF3 or SFa1?

Both

see ya.
~Sado [/B][/QUOTE]

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
who's we, never seen anyone call the game second strike until now.

I thought it was called 2nd impact giant attack (Although I think the Giant Attack suffix was attached to a later version of the same game.)

Yeah, I was kind of confused about the 2nd Strike thing also, I've never heard or seen it been referred to as such. I just called it SF3: 2nd Impact.

Well, according to sado. "WE" call it second strike.