Quinlan Vos versus Kit Fisto

Originally posted by MEDVOCK
It states in the Cestus Deception that the Jedi's unarmed tactics reflect their skills with a saber. From watching how they fought unarmed, Asajj was able to determine how they fought with a saber. I don't see how this is so hard to understand.
Of course she would not know EXACTLY how they fought, but she would have learned the general techniques they used while fighting unarmed to determine how they fought with a saber.

Again, she examined how they fought unarmed, and worked out their forms based on their melee attacks. That's all, to state that she could determine almost exactly how they fought with a saber based on their unarmed fighting is ridiculous.

Lol, he just stated that she couldn't EXACTLY see their styles, but she could see most of their skills and techniques! How they fought so to say!

Originally posted by kamikz
Lol, he just stated that she couldn't EXACTLY see their styles, but she could see most of their skills and techniques! How they fought so to say!

Originally posted by The Planet
to state that she could determine almost exactly how they fought with a saber based on their unarmed fighting is ridiculous[/B]

^I didn't say that he did, and please read through the whole argument before butting in midway and jumping to conclusions.

Originally posted by The Planet
All she was able to find out were their forms. Sure, it's a tiny advantage, but hardly counts as a big enough one to be given credit to. The main reason Kit lost is because he was wounded and fatigued, bringing up not so relevant points just makes it more complicated.

Lol, he just stated that she couldn't EXACTLY see their styles, but she could see most of their skills and techniques! How they fought so to say!

Exactly. I'm glad someone else understands what I've been trying to explain.

@ Faunus:

Thank you for explaining that so well!

Originally posted by The Planet
^I didn't say that he did, and please read through the whole argument before butting in midway and jumping to conclusions.

Maybe you should to. He never stated "almost exactly", he even said "their general techniques", that's it!

For one, the narration alludes to the fact that she pitted her minions against the duo so that she could study how they fought: their aggression, pace, style, etc.

[sarcasm]Wow! Holy crap, there was no way she could lose with that kind of invaluable knowledge.[/sarcasm] Please...

While this doesn't automatically grant her the win - which she earned through superiority as a fighter - it is something to account for in the battle.

As a factor, it is tiny when you consider the other variables; fatigue, injury, how powerful the actually are.

Secondly, where the hell was Kit shown to be either wounded... Unless you count singing the heel of his boot

Refer to the [bold]. In fact, here's the exact quote.

The underground lake's surface reflected flashes of red and yellow lightning as the energy field confining Obi-Wan and Kit Fisto lessened for an instant. He felt pain and fire as he lunged through, his lightsaber absorbing enough of the energy to keep the shield from frying him. It snapped back on swiftly enough to singe Kit's left heel as the Nautolan jumped free.

This would affect his footing and movement, which would be a huge deal in a saber duel.

or considerably fatigued... and beating down goons as causes for said hinderances.

Refer to the [bold].
But seriously, it was more than just 'beating down goons', judging by the descriptions, Fisto was putting in a hell of an effort in defeating them, that king of sh1t would tire him.

Originally posted by kamikz
Maybe you should to. He never stated "almost exactly", he even said "their general techniques", that's it!

He heavily implied it. But really, this is pointless.

O rly? 😛

This battle is debetable. For one thing, Quinlan Vos was outmanuvered and defeated by Agen Kolar, a lesser duelist than Fisto. But then we have the Shii-Cho disadvantage that makes Fisto weak against a single opponent. Telekineticaly speaking, Fisto is better, though speaking of Force Mastery as a whole, Quinlan is likely superior. The edge in terms of dueling, I would say, should go to Fisto. He is faster, more expirienced and just more skilled, though the disadvantages of Shii-Cho might make them equals. Overall, Fisto`s best option is to use his greater speed to outmanuver Quinlan, and I do consider this possible. However, I also consider it possible for Quinlan to stalemate Fisto with the blade and then use his greater mastery of the Force in order to subdue Fisto. Overall, my vote goes to Quinlan.

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