Originally posted by Starhawk
I am, lawyers study through 5 years of university in Canada, this is after 3 years getting a bachelor degree and then they spend 2 years after that articling with a law firm. That makes them qualified.
What does that have to do with having an informed opinion about the average citizen who is not as fortunate? Are you no one those who think people do not get an education because they do not want one?
Originally posted by chithappens
What does that have to do with having an informed opinion about the average citizen who is not as fortunate? Are you no one those who think people do not get an education because they do not want one?
If they aren't willing to invest the time to learn what they need to they do not need to be brought into the process.
Originally posted by Starhawk
If they aren't willing to invest the time to learn what they need to they do not need to be brought into the process.
I see your point but disagree because if they were to ever organize and educate themselves then you would not let them in. You are assuming all the citizens are idiots and, until you finish your degree, someone of the pedigree you are trying to reach will currently see you as an idiot until you finish school if the standard you have set at this thread is shared among those in power.
Originally posted by chithappens
Not qualified to make laws for society. If there are people like you in control, Canadian immigrants will run ammuck in the U.S. (not like this is a much better option in terms of corruption) fearing you will tell them not to make jokes you do not think are funny or go to prison. 😆
Yes we are qualified enough after devoting 10 years of our lives to study on the subject. And we study case history and theory of law and believe me by the time we are done we are more then ready to take up the burden.
The average person is not well informed enough on the subject to be brought into the process.
Originally posted by Starhawk
Yes we are qualified enough after devoting 10 years of our lives to study on the subject. And we study case history and theory of law and believe me by the time we are done we are more then ready to take up the burden.The average person is not well informed enough on the subject to be brought into the process.
I still think living it informs them more than just simply been educated about "what it is like to be there."
They may not know how to put laws in place or put any sort of movement into affect, but people like you are supposed to HELP them and it doesn't seem like you care to interact with them, only impose new sanctions.
If I am wrong in this assumption that's fine but that is what it seems like thus far.
Originally posted by chithappens
I still think living it informs them more than just simply been educated about "what it is like to be there."They may not know how to put laws in place or put any sort of movement into affect, but people like you are supposed to HELP them and it doesn't seem like you care to interact with them, only impose new sanctions.
If I am wrong in this assumption that's fine but that is what it seems like thus far.
It isn't about fairness, in any career field you require training. 10 years is enough to be qualified. And I already explained why lawmakers don't look for a show of hands.
I said nothing about fairness. Not helping others be educated enough to make decisions worthy of their autonomy is BS. That is unfair - since you brought up fairness.
Saying you are worthy enough to make laws and apply the law because you know what they do not is complete BS.
Shouldn't one of your goals be to help educate the average citizen? Might also help reduce the very thing you would not mind executing people for.
Just because someone has a degree really doesn't mean anything other than they have read a few books and taken a few tests, it is the practical experience that really matters. Which would you rather have a medical student who just graduated or a combat medic who has been doing his job for over 30 years? All a degree means is that you have the basic understanding of the subject that you are entering, without living and working in the environment you don't know what you are really doing and know the difference between learned and experience knowledge. Just because someone knows how to "write" the law doesn't mean that they are any good at it. I would trust Trump to write more effective law about real estate than someone that has only read about it in school for 10 years, Trump may not know all the "terms" but he does know what works and what doesn't.
Originally posted by chithappens
I said nothing about fairness. Not helping others be educated enough to make decisions worthy of their autonomy is BS. That is unfair - since you brought up fairness.Saying you are worthy enough to make laws and apply the law because you know what they do not is complete BS.
Shouldn't one of your goals be to help educate the average citizen? Might also help reduce the very thing you would not mind executing people for.
Thats what law professors are for. And Law is taught in high school as well. But I wouldn't trust someone with only a high school biology class experience to operate on me. Not everyone needs to be involved int he legal process. Their are lawyers with a wide range of political and ideological views to represent the country as a whole in the law making process.