Originally posted by Starhawk
Okay the next time you want surgery, I'll find someone on the street to do it for you since your not a big fan of training.
That's not the issue, you fail... the reality would be, you [the elite] would have say over who is allowed to receive the training and who isn't.
Oh, Pittman just smacked you senseless with his "Twenty Years of Abolition: the Canadian Experience"... there goes your theories about crime and punishment...
Originally posted by Robtard
That's not the issue, you fail... the reality would be, you [the elite] would have say over who is allowed to receive the training and who isn't.
I never said anything like that at all. Anyone can go to law school and get the training they need, they just have to be willing to put the effort in.
Originally posted by Starhawk
I never said anything like that at all. Anyone can go to law school and get the training they need, they just have to be willing to put the effort in.
"Back Peddling" Troll Tactic #143
Anyhow:
I'm still laughing at how definitively Pittman kicked your little soapbox out from under your self-righteous feet, and all he had to do was post some facts. LOL.
Originally posted by StarhawkI'm not concerned in the slightest that you could get it restored; even if you did I still wouldn't care but someone with your mentality does concern me. Your very flawed logic and trying to give a legal reason and saying that it is about preventing this type of crime when it all comes down to it is vengeance. Just because you have spent 10 years reading books and taking test doesn't mean didly squat when it comes to the actual practice of law, yes you know some things you have read but without the practical knowledge you don't know anything or real importance or how to get it done.
No the fact that by the time I'm done I will have spent 10 years training does.And I have motivation and many other friends in the same field willing to assist me in bringing it back.
And if you honestly think I have no chance of doing it why are you acting so concerned?
A medical student goes to school for years but just because they come out with the Dr. in front of their name doesn't mean they are ready to go, they must do an internship for years afterward getting practical experience and learning what is in the book is valid and what real life is all about.
Originally posted by ThePittman
I'm not concerned in the slightest that you could get it restored; even if you did I still wouldn't care but someone with your mentality does concern me. Your very flawed logic and trying to give a legal reason and saying that it is about preventing this type of crime when it all comes down to it is vengeance. Just because you have spent 10 years reading books and taking test doesn't mean didly squat when it comes to the actual practice of law, yes you know some things you have read but without the practical knowledge you don't know anything or real importance or how to get it done.A medical student goes to school for years but just because they come out with the Dr. in front of their name doesn't mean they are ready to go, they must do an internship for years afterward getting practical experience and learning what is in the book is valid and what real life is all about.
Yes just like we do with articling with a law firm for 2 years after we graduate. I suggest you read back as I already covered that.
Originally posted by StarhawkThat is not the only part of that post, I will bold it for you.
I already addressed that Pittman. Its not just about deterrence.
Originally posted by ThePittman
"Twenty Years of Abolition: the Canadian ExperienceContrary to predictions by death penalty supporters, the homicide rate in Canada did not increase after abolition in 1976. In fact, the Canadian murder rate declined slightly the following year (from 2.8 per 100,000 to 2.7). Over the next 20 years the homicide rate fluctuated (between 2.2 and 2.8 per 100,000), but the general trend was clearly downwards. It reached a 30-year low in 1995 (1.98) -- the fourth consecutive year-to-year decrease and a full one-third lower than in the year before abolition. In 1998, the homicide rate dipped below 1.9 per 100,000, the lowest rate since the 1960s.
The overall conviction rate for first-degree murder doubled in the decade following abolition (from under 10% to approximately 20%), suggesting that Canadian juries are more willing to convict for murder now that they are not compelled to make life-and-death decisions.
All of Canada's national political parties formally oppose the reintroduction of the death penalty, with the exception of the Reform Party which supports a binding national referendum on the issue.
A motion to reintroduce capital punishment was debated in the House of Commons in 1987. On June 30, the motion was soundly defeated on a free vote (148-127), despite public opinion polls indicating majority support for the death penalty.
A national poll conducted in June, 1995 found that 69% of Canadians moderately or strongly favoured the return of the death penalty, exactly the same level of support as 20 years ago. However, other surveys suggest that this abstract support is 'a mile wide and an inch deep'. In 1996, a cross-section of 1500 Canadians were asked to name the major concerns and issues facing the country; not one named reinstatement of the death penalty as a priority. (For comparison, a similar sample in the USA would be 15,000 individuals; polls of this size are considered to be accurate within 2.5 percentage points 95% of the time). "
http://www.amnesty.ca/deathpenalty/canada.php
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Originally posted by StarhawkSo as I have said before after two years of internship you will be able to repeal this when many of your country men that have vast more years in the practice and years more knowledge than you couldn't? You must have some type of platform or basis to bring this back but you have none other than vengeance, all of the reason that you have given have all been disproved and trumped over and over so what will be this enlightened new approach?
Yes just like we do with articling with a law firm for 2 years after we graduate. I suggest you read back as I already covered that.
Originally posted by ThePittman
So as I have said before after two years of internship you will be able to repeal this when many of your country men that have vast more years in the practice and years more knowledge than you couldn't? You must have some type of platform or basis to bring this back but you have none other than vengeance, all of the reason that you have given have all been disproved and trumped over and over so what will be this enlightened new approach?
Restoring the death penalty will not be an over night thing. The process could take 10-15 years or more, but I and those that are willing to work with me are determined and willing to put the time into the litigation and lobbying that is necessary.
Originally posted by StarhawkSo all the ones that I posted before were not determined? 😆
Restoring the death penalty will not be an over night thing. The process could take 10-15 years or more, but I and those that are willing to work with me are determined and willing to put the time into the litigation and lobbying that is necessary.
Originally posted by ThePittman
So all the ones that I posted before were not determined? 😆
I don't get what you mean? I was talking about my determination and that of my fellow students that agree with me.
LOL I really don't see why this is still going on, neither side is going to change their mind and yours are not the minds I have to change anyways. And trust me, making the right political friends can get your issue moved to the front of the line very easily too.