Originally posted by StarhawkHow is the “argument they can stand by” going to get a vote from someone that is against the death penalty? You haven’t even shown a good argument for it here, you case is full of holes and flawed logic. You argument and case must be good enough to change their personal views on the subject so you must convince them that your case is correct. You may sway a few votes that don’t really care about the topic or do not have strong feeling either way but last time that this came up for a vote in your country is was soundly defeated. Your only real hope is to help get people into office that share the same view as you and get your numbers above that of the ones that are for the ban.
I don't need to convince them, I need to make an argument they can stand by. And no, I don't need to convince the anti-death penalty crowd, just enough political support to pacify them.Inimalist gets what I mean, and on that note, sometimes the people need a little hand holding to get them down the right path.
Well since you can’t seem to come up with the words to effetely do this I will help you out. There are a few ways to go about doing this; one is that you will need a landmark case that can sway the House of Commons such as a terrorist or mass murder that the need to remove the ban is justified. Another would be to get more politicians in the House that are for repealing the ban. Another would be that you influence the ones that do not have a strong opinion about this topic and effetely “bribe” them as you have mentioned before, however I would assume that there are very strong supporters for the ban so that your “bribe” and argument must be better than the lobbyist for the ban and the supports or the ban in the House. Just as hard and devoted as you may be there are also others on the opposite side that are just as devoted and you must have something that is greater than theirs which you have not shown.
Originally posted by chithappens
Then what form of government is best?
None that exists now, My favorite model so far is that of a philosopher king.
In any event there are many ways to get politicians turned around, trust me I am not worried about my chances. For some reason you all doubt my ability to get this done, yet seem dead set on trying a futile effort to dissuade me from doing it.
How lovely... dropping Plato on us...
Dude, no one actually believes you're a law student with high aspirations. With your avoidance of questions, swiss-cheese like claims and ever empty promises, you have pretty much doomed your charade. Proceed with making claims that your refuse to back-up, but continually saying that you're a "well-educated", "intellectual" law student is just pointless now.
Starhawk I'd like to know why you think being a law student gives you some kind of power? So what I'm sure lots of people on this forum are students, I'm a philosophy student, I don't go on about it though and use it as an excuse to lord it over others.
You'll make a good lawyer as most are pompous idiots.
Because becoming a lawyer gives me power, power to effect change in my society through the systems we have in place to amend our legal system and constitution.
Robtard, I don't need you to believe anything. I don't need your approval nor support. I am confident in my ability to get this done on my own.
Originally posted by Starhawk
Because becoming a lawyer gives me power, power to effect change in my society through the systems we have in place to amend our legal system and constitution.
So what? That doesn't give you the right to lord it up over people on here. All your doing by going that is confirming Marxist ideas. Also, don't act like you're really intelligent because you're doing a law degree. Degrees aren't hard to get nowadays, and law isn't any more hard to get into than any other degree programmes.
I don’t care one way or the other if you want to do this or not, the only thing that disturbs me is your mentality which is fanatical at best. Having drive and a goal is one thing and I admire the determination but the reason and logic is flawed. If you have simply said that this is for vengeance, which it is, then I can see where you are coming from but trying to give half truths and false reasons why this is needed and trying to justify it is laughable at best. Having us “non-law students” tear apart your argument with such ease means that your fellow lawyers will eat you alive.
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
So what? That doesn't give you the right to lord it up over people on here. All your doing by going that is confirming Marxist ideas. Also, don't act like you're really intelligent because you're doing a law degree. Degrees aren't hard to get nowadays, and law isn't any more hard to get into than any other degree programmes.
Marxism implies left wing ideology. The death penalty has traditional been considered a right wing issue.
You have a real inferiority complex when it comes to educated people. Getting a degree is far from easy, perhaps you should check the first year drop out rates for colleges and universities in Canada.
Pittman, if your so convinced I am going to fail in my efforts, then you should have nothing to worry about.
Originally posted by RobtardI think that he is only taking inimalist seriously and never intended to PM me, as he said he was the only one debating him seriously.
Pittman, has he PM'd (or posted) you yet on his ultimate reasoning and irrevocably proved his case?
Originally posted by StarhawkI have said this many times, I’m not worried about you getting the ban removed and that I really don’t care. I have said sever times and I will use your own quote “look through this thread” that it is your mentality and going into the practice of law that concerns me and that you will be prosecuting people. However as I have said before I don’t think that you are even in law school and that you are just flaming the thread, you may be in pre-law but not law school.
Marxism implies left wing ideology. The death penalty has traditional been considered a right wing issue.You have a real inferiority complex when it comes to educated people. Getting a degree is far from easy, perhaps you should check the first year drop out rates for colleges and universities in Canada.
Pittman, if your so convinced I am going to fail in my efforts, then you should have nothing to worry about.
Originally posted by ThePittman
I think that he is only taking inimalist seriously and never intended to PM me, as he said he was the only one debating him seriously. I have said this many times, I’m not worried about you getting the ban removed and that I really don’t care. I have said sever times and I will use your own quote “look through this thread” that it is your mentality and going into the practice of law that concerns me and that you will be prosecuting people. However as I have said before I don’t think that you are even in law school and that you are just flaming the thread, you may be in pre-law but not law school.
Well you have the right to your own opinion. I have no problem with that. Just as I have the right to mine.
Originally posted by StarhawkHe has a point that you don't have to be intelligent to be in university.
Marxism implies left wing ideology. The death penalty has traditional been considered a right wing issue.You have a real inferiority complex when it comes to educated people. Getting a degree is far from easy, perhaps you should check the first year drop out rates for colleges and universities in Canada.
Pittman, if your so convinced I am going to fail in my efforts, then you should have nothing to worry about.