Originally posted by inimalist
This is a personal little pet peeve of mine. Marxism is a theory of economy and state control, it says NOTHING about the behaviour of the state once it has that control.Doing what is best for the people against their will is a VERY Marxist idea, even if you disagree with him on issues of policy. Hence why I called you a pinko in the other thread.
Do you really feel that political ideologies are best explained in a right/left spectrum?
Compared to, say, 50+ years ago, universities have become diploma mills. Drop out rates aside, the fact that so many more people attend university and that some form of post secondary is necessary for more jobs has generally pushed the quality of education down. Many of my profs have complained outside of class about students, especially in the past 10ish years, though there has been a steady decline.
There is a very apparent race to the bottom in education. It is much more pronounced in the primary and secondary grades, but it is contagious.
And honestly man, if you think that having an education gives you any right to talk down to people, I hope you never need a plumber, or an electrician. I hope your car never breaks down or that you never get to appreciate a piece of art or literature.
People have specialties and interests. People have degrees of knowledge and experience. The fact that yours are best suited for an educational establishment and others for an apprentinship or are even best shaped outside of any formalized institutional system is irrelevant. I've been told off by enough 8 year olds to know that my logic is not infallable. You may be better served to learn this, however, as with most people, it will probably have to be trial by fire.
1)Marxism is left wing by definition. What you are talking about is a system of totalitarianism that has yet to be defined further by either left wing or right wing ideology.
2) Well in my classes I see people struggle extremely hard to grasp concepts and theories that other students comprehend the first time they hear them. Our professors push us extremely hard. I have one that has never in his teaching career given a grade above 95%.
3)I do not look down on people, I appreciate the plumber, the electrician and the mechanic for the jobs they do in society. But they are specialized in those areas, just as a doctor, scientist, professor or lawyer is in their areas. As I have stated you wouldn't want the plumber defending you in court or operating on you.
Basically when America says "All men are created equal." They should have said " Under the law, all people are considered equal." Not everyone is capable of doing everything. We have our places in society and we should not be admired nor frowned upon because of them, but by that same token we also should understand that sometimes we have to trust those that are experts in those fields to handle things for us. The same way I trust the plumber to handle my plumbing and don't try to tell him how to do his job.
Originally posted by StarhawkHowever by what you have said it is the right of the lawyer and politicians’ to make the laws that govern the plumber and how he should do his job and you don’t need his input.
1)Marxism is left wing by definition. What you are talking about is a system of totalitarianism that has yet to be defined further by either left wing or right wing ideology.2) Well in my classes I see people struggle extremely hard to grasp concepts and theories that other students comprehend the first time they hear them. Our professors push us extremely hard. I have one that has never in his teaching career given a grade above 95%.
3)I do not look down on people, I appreciate the plumber, the electrician and the mechanic for the jobs they do in society. But they are specialized in those areas, just as a doctor, scientist, professor or lawyer is in their areas. As I have stated you wouldn't want the plumber defending you in court or operating on you.
Basically when America says "All men are created equal." They should have said " Under the law, all people are considered equal." Not everyone is capable of doing everything. We have our places in society and we should not be admired nor frowned upon because of them, but by that same token we also should understand that sometimes we have to trust those that are experts in those fields to handle things for us. The same way I trust the plumber to handle my plumbing and don't try to tell him how to do his job.
Originally posted by ThePittman
However by what you have said it is the right of the lawyer and politicians’ to make the laws that govern the plumber and how he should do his job and you don’t need his input.
Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. The plumber has input when he votes in his members of parliament. We assume he votes for the person who most shares his ideals. But we can't adjust our laws to only make the plumbers life easier.
Originally posted by lord xyzThat is why I purposed the question is what if you were raped for the rest of your life or killed. The thing is that most people agree on is the time so if the time is the same what now is worse?
Going back on-topic, traumatising someone isn't as bad as takingtheir life.
Originally posted by StarhawkThat is in contradiction to what you have said before because they are uneducated in the law so it is the duty of the politicians' to do what is right for them no matter if the majority believes differently.
Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. The plumber has input when he votes in his members of parliament. We assume he votes for the person who most shares his ideals. But we can't adjust our laws to only make the plumbers life easier.
Originally posted by ThePittman
That is why I purposed the question is what if you were raped for the rest of your life or killed. The thing is that most people agree on is the time so if the time is the same what now is worse?
You're taking it out of context by going into extremes though. Generally speaking, being raped* is more preferable than being killed, because death is permanent with no options. Therefore, the act of murder is more severe than the act of rape.
* Leaving out extremes, e.g. being anally raped with a drill press, being so brutally raped you end up as a paraplegic etc.
Originally posted by ThePittman
That is in contradiction to what you have said before because they are uneducated in the law so it is the duty of the politicians' to do what is right for them no matter if the majority believes differently.
No it's the duty of the politicians to try and do whats best for everyone as a whole to the best of their ability. Now I am the first one to admit they haven't done the best job of that, which is one of the reasons I want to get involved in the process.
You all think I am the devil incarnate over one political belief. I also believe in healthcare, making lives easier for the disabled and infirm. Our elementary and high school are behind the times compared to Europe and Asia, meanwhile all we worry about is a fake war and whether or not gay people are saying "I do".
I have more then just the one agenda, but it is a big one for me.
Originally posted by RobtardYes I do know that it is going to extremes and in a way taking it out of context however the general consensus is that killing is more extreme because the damage is permanent and you can’t recover where with rape you may or may not recover from it. So maybe what is worse the mentality of a pedophile or murder?
You're taking it out of context by going into extremes though. Generally speaking, being raped* is more preferable than being killed, because death is permanent with no options. Therefore, the act of murder is more severe than the act of rape.* Leaving out extremes, e.g. being anally raped with a drill press, being so brutally raped you end up as a paraplegic etc.
Originally posted by StarhawkIt is the duty of the politicians’ to server the will off the people and for the people, they are there to serve the common man or woman. Also don’t flatter yourself, you are not the “devil incarnate” by any means but just misguided and deluding yourself.
No it's the duty of the politicians to try and do whats best for everyone as a whole to the best of their ability. Now I am the first one to admit they haven't done the best job of that, which is one of the reasons I want to get involved in the process.You all think I am the devil incarnate over one political belief. I also believe in healthcare, making lives easier for the disabled and infirm. Our elementary and high school are behind the times compared to Europe and Asia, meanwhile all we worry about is a fake war and whether or not gay people are saying "I do".
I have more then just the one agenda, but it is a big one for me.
Originally posted by ThePittman
Yes I do know that it is going to extremes and in a way taking it out of context however the general consensus is that killing is more extreme because the damage is permanent and you can’t recover where with rape you may or may not recover from it. So maybe what is worse the mentality of a pedophile or murder?
I'm assuming you meant "mentality or a murderer"... Mentality is all not that important as it would be hard to restrict/punish. If a person with murderous thoughts never commits a murder, then no harm no foul. Same for a pedophile, if the pedophile never acts of his/her urges, then no harm no foul.
If someone threatens someone with a death threat, it is certainly illegal and certain actions can be taken against the offender, but that person could never be charged with the crime of murder though.
Originally posted by RobtardActually I meant the mentality of a pedophile or a murder basically referring to their mind set. Where many “normal” people have thought about killing someone the “normal” person doesn’t think about having sex with a child.
I'm assuming you meant "mentality or a murderer"... Mentality is all not that important as it would be hard to restrict/punish. If a person with murderous thoughts never commits a murder, then no harm no foul. Same for a pedophile, if the pedophile never acts of his/her urges, then no harm no foul.If someone threatens someone with a death threat, it is certainly illegal and certain actions can be taken against the offender, but that person could never be charged with the crime of murder though.