Originally posted by Starhawk
LOL If you knew anything about Canadian politics you would know big business is not funding the NDP. Unions fund them.
Unions are nothing, right? Unions aren't politically active, right? You fail "to infinity and beyond!"
Originally posted by Starhawk
They aren't in Canada, they are anti-big business.
They're as corrupt as big business these days... The days of "the union helps the little guy" is long over. Unions are politically invested just as much as big business, they have to be. You fail (again).
Originally posted by chithappens
The fact you leave out that the media bashes Bush for lying to America about the war is interesting. Bad publicity of Pat Tillman alone is killing support for the war.The issue is far more complex than just supporting big business. Here's a fun fact: THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS DO NOT LIKE BIG BUSINESS BECAUSE THEY **** THEM OVER, BUT BUSH WAS ELECTED (I use this very, very loosely) TWICE.
Damn you are simple.
Yes Americans do have issues with big business, but they did not push for anything that would anger the republican base or the moderates, therefore thats not a valid example.
Originally posted by Robtard
Unions are nothing, right? Unions aren't politically active, right? You fail "to infinity and beyond!"They're as corrupt as big business these days... The days of "the union helps the little guy" is long over. Unions are politically invested just as much as big business, they have to be. You fail (again).
LOL The you fail thing is something you would hear in a schoolyard not a debate.
And whether or not unions are corrupt, which is not the point we were discussing they are still opposed to big business.
Originally posted by Starhawk
LOL The you fail thing is something you would hear in a schoolyard not a debate.And whether or not unions are corrupt, which is not the point we were discussing they are still opposed to big business.
No, "pwned" is something you'd hear in a schoolyard... Pointing out your constant failures and twisting is just [sad for you] fact.
We are? Aren't we discussing politics and your asinine beliefs that money has nothing to do with politicians or elections... But go ahead and spin, dodge, spin, accuse, spin.
edit... You failed [again].
Originally posted by Starhawk😆 A debate has facts and proof given to back up statements, what have you done? I have asked you to site one example of anyone agreeing with your statement that big business does not have a major influence in politics.
LOL The you fail thing is something you would hear in a schoolyard not a debate.And whether or not unions are corrupt, which is not the point we were discussing they are still opposed to big business.
Originally posted by ThePittman
😆 A debate has facts and proof given to back up statements, what have you done? I have asked you to site one example of anyone agreeing with your statement that big business does not have a major influence in politics.
That would imply I require anyone else to agree with it. And i have given you 2 separate examples of how politicians have to go with the majority or they won't be voted in.
Originally posted by Starhawk
That would imply I require anyone else to agree with it. And i have given you 2 separate examples of how politicians have to go with the majority or they won't be voted in.
No, you post substantiated facts to support your claims, which you have failed to do. As pointed out, your examples are poor and all but irrelevant.
According to widespread published reports, "thanks to successful co-operation between large corporations and government", the Earth's vital ozone layer is well on its way to recovery. Hurray! Sounds great.
But there is one problem with that representation though. That representation is propaganda, spread by the well-financed operatives of Big Business enterprises. The owners of these Big Business enterprises in countries like Canada, have made "cosmetic" adjustments, in response to mounting pressures into the 1990's to abandon the distribution of ozone depleting products. However, these same owners of Big Business enterprises have simply shifted the sale of their environmentally destructive products into "new expanding markets", as well as into diverse "Third World" countries. Communist China has been the prime outlet for greed driven owners of capital in the industrialized West. In the apparent view of these capitalistocratic "entrepreneurs", the survival of billions of people on the planet, and the hospitability of the Earth in general as a source of protection from lethal solar radiation, ought not to stand in the way of their pursuit of their private commercial "profit-making" activities.
The "owners of capital" have bribed their way into "markets" at home, and abroad, corrupting in the process, local politicians, who are all too eager for their so-called "investments". Those local politicians who have not been so easy to bribe, have been coerced via pressures from domestic, and in particular, "international financial institutional arrangements", that include loan debt. These "arrangements" have been sought to complement the Big Business enterprise activities of "owners of capital" who pursue commercial "profit-making", at the expense of the ozone layer.
Originally posted by StarhawkI could say that you like to take it from behind from sheep but does that mean that it is a truth 😉
That would imply I require anyone else to agree with it. And i have given you 2 separate examples of how politicians have to go with the majority or they won't be voted in.
Originally posted by Starhawk
Yes Americans do have issues with big business, but they did not push for anything that would anger the republican base or the moderates, therefore thats not a valid example.
Saying "We need to get the **** out of Iraq!" doesn't count as angering the Republican base who keep claiming that public rage is not supporting the troops?
Senate Oks war bill with Iraq Timeline
Bush has made it clear he will veto (as evident by the last sentence of the first paragraph "The White House dismissed the legislation as "dead before arrival."😉, but I guess this doesn't count.
Feel like I'm noobing a noob in Halo or something. This is too easy.wolfwood
Some debating rules, not saying I follow all of them but some key ones.
1. Avoid the use of Never.
2. Avoid the use of Always.
3. Refrain from saying you are wrong.
4. You can say your idea is mistaken.
5. Don't disagree with obvious truths.
6. Attack the idea not the person.
7. Use many rather than most.
8. Avoid exaggeration.
9. Use some rather than many.
10. The use of often allows for exceptions.
11. The use of generally allows for exceptions.
12. Quote sources and numbers.
13. If it is just an opinion, admit it.
14. Do not present opinion as facts.
15. Smile when disagreeing.
16. Stress the positive.
17. You do not need to win every battle to win the war.
18. Concede minor or trivial points.
19. Avoid bickering, quarreling, and wrangling.
20. Watch your tone of voice.
21. Don't win a debate and lose a friend.
22. Keep your perspective - You're just debating.
http://www.paulnoll.com/Books/Clear-English/debate-advice.html
Originally posted by ThePittman
Some debating rules, not saying I follow all of them but some key ones.1. Avoid the use of Never.
2. Avoid the use of Always.
3. Refrain from saying you are wrong.
4. You can say your idea is mistaken.
[b] 5. Don't disagree with obvious truths.
6. Attack the idea not the person.
7. Use many rather than most.
8. Avoid exaggeration.
9. Use some rather than many.
10. The use of often allows for exceptions.
11. The use of generally allows for exceptions.
12. Quote sources and numbers.
13. If it is just an opinion, admit it.
14. Do not present opinion as facts.
15. Smile when disagreeing.
16. Stress the positive.
17. You do not need to win every battle to win the war.
18. Concede minor or trivial points.
19. Avoid bickering, quarreling, and wrangling.
20. Watch your tone of voice.
21. Don't win a debate and lose a friend.
22. Keep your perspective - You're just debating.http://www.paulnoll.com/Books/Clear-English/debate-advice.html [/B]
ugh, thats not fair. how's he supposed to win the internet?
Originally posted by ThePittman
Lets remember #6 😛
im not debating 😛
seriously 😐 check the beginning of this thread. i gave him a chance and paid the punishment for doing so (wasted time, annoyance, insults etc)
its always going to end in a copout. remember that. one way or another any valid point will be dodged and ignored. FACTS will be dodged and ignored.
Originally posted by SchecterI've been right there with ya 😉
im not debating 😛seriously 😐 check the beginning of this thread. i gave him a chance and paid the punishment for doing so (wasted time, annoyance, insults etc)
its always going to end in a copout. remember that. one way or another any valid point will be dodged and ignored. FACTS will be dodged and ignored.