Originally posted by cs_zoltanUsually when people dispute a viewpoint because of a certain 'context' someone's ignored, they mention it right off the bat. And if you haven't noticed, I hardly gave a shit about this conversation enough to 'properly' address your excuses, as was obvious from my non-serious "ahaha" comment aimed towards banter, plus the fact I'm not going to put in the effort to counter a point you didn't even flesh out.
Maybe because you never asked. When I said Dooku didn't dominate Kenobi your reaction was:So instead of asking what I base that on, you rather started a pissing contest. And people wonder why sw debating is dead 馃檪
Originally posted by cs_zoltan"Do you have a legitimate argument against my desperate excuse???" Sure, 1. just because the text mentioned Kenobi was about to 'counter' Dooku, doesn't mean he actually would have been successful in his attempt; this is common ****ing sense. The text stating that Kenobi "reached for the Force to counter Dooku" is not definitive proof he could have broken free or prevented himself from getting in that position in the first place -- and either way, Dooku being fast enough to render Kenobi's attempts at a counter worthless is a point in Dooku's favor, and previously Dooku already floored Kenobi's ass while having Anakin to deal with, so I find it unlikely that Dooku couldn't make Kenobi his ***** whenever he wanted with telekinesis.
And yes, it's the junior novel. I suppose you have a legit argument to the contrary instead of just laughing it off again?
Originally posted by cs_zoltanAbsolutely ****ing hilarious that you want a specific quote about Vader being ampled on Malachor yet you've completely failed to show an explicit quote regarding RotS Kenobi > ANH Kenobi in the Force. But yes, it's called common sense: The Inquisitors were capable of using their flight ability because they were on Malachor, i.e. a Sith homeworld that has ancient corpses ridden all over the ground, and a Sith holocron at the center of the temple (basically, what would be described in a dictionary as a "dark side nexus"馃槈. If the Inquisitors can use powers they were unable to use outside of Malachor, then I don't think it's much of a stretch to assume Vader also benefitted from Malachor. Sorry I don't have an actual "Vader was amped on Malachor!" quote, but I'm assuming common sense should suffice, right?
Show me a quote that says Vader was amped on Malachor. A specific one, not a vague opinion about a vague ability when the guy even admited he doesn't know shit and refered to Filoni.
Originally posted by cs_zoltanWhich came after you going "u dunt knoww shit bc u theenk this ahsoka feat is impressive!!!!11!!1!" Boo hoo, stop crying about ad hominems when that's basically exactly what this has been since the discussion began, and you're hardly innocent yourself.
You mean unlike your ad hominems about me being an assoka hater? Sure you stand on a moral high ground...in some fantasy of yours.
Originally posted by cs_zoltanIn which the examples you brought forth were utter horseshit? Lol, okay.
Because it's a retarded assumption to make, as I pointed out in my previous post.
Originally posted by cs_zoltanLet's go through this, because you obviously are not getting it.
You can make all the mental gymnastics you want, but as long as we don't see Vader actually fail to ragdoll assoka, or assoka shows TK feats that would logically put her out of ragdoll range it's all unsubstantiated fan theory.
1. Ahsoka "stands with the best" when it comes to the Force (presumably in the context of Star Wars Rebels, since it was a Rebels Recon regarding the show). Who are the best in SWR? Which characters could the Recon have possibly be referring to? Is it Kanan and Ezra? No, obviously not. Is it the Inquisitors? No, obviously not. Is it, perhaps, Darth Vader, or maybe Maul, two of the top-dogs ("the best"馃槈 in SWR? Yeah, I'd say that's a pretty easy conclusion to make; and the implication, or, actually, the flat-out statement that Ahsoka is top-tier with the Force, kind of makes me think that the idea that Vader could have ragdolled her whenever he wanted is pretty ****ing retarded -- and that is a vast understatement. Then there's Filoni stating that Ahsoka isn't a pushover when it comes to Vader. I'm pretty sure she would be if the Force deficit was gargantuan enough for Vader to dominate her whenever he wants.
2. In modern depictions of Vader's fights, (i.e. not solely relying on a 1977 film for the basis for Vader's Force abilities and demeanor in fights that I guess IYO should be absolutely irrefutably the basis for Vader forever), Vader does use the Force; immediately raping Karbin with telekinesis, opening with telekinesis in his fight with Kanan and Ezra and dominating Ezra with the Force (and that was when Vader was not even trying, not even pressing his full power or abilities), so I think it's very unlikely that your version of events is true -- Vader just decided "nah" and wasted almost two minutes dueling Ahsoka when he could've been retrieving the holocron and unlocking a superweapon -- but ironically despite that he did actually use the Force when the opportunity arrose. But let's ignore that and conclude that Vader is so powerful he could completely dominate Ahsoka, despite no reason whatsoever why he wouldn't do that given the circumstances if he could, and the fact that he has absolutely every reason (and desire) to kill Ahsoka and end the fight quickly, or at the very least BRF her off the temple like he did at the end of the fight. Compare that with Kenobi, there isn't nearly as much of a reason for Vader to be in a hurry against him since the plan was always to let Leia and co. escape the Death Star. And if Vader was so absolutely superior to Ahsoka in the Force, he could have easily thrown her off the temple as soon as they exited the main area with the obelisk, but sure, it's more reasonable to assume he just prolonged the fight, because he didn't ragdoll Kenobi in a 1977 movie, and Sith sometimes don't use the Force! (And the examples you've provided for the latter position were particularly embarrassingly bad). So all in all your argument makes no sense and is literally one of the most retarded arguments I've ever heard on KMC, both in its leaning on the Kenobi fight and mind-numbing tunnel-vision in regards to the circumstances in the fight on Malachor.
3. "Vader could have ragdolled Ahsoka whenever he wanted" has no proof and is baseless. You can say the same about mine all you want, but I really think it's ridiculous that you're so oblivious that the criticisms you levy towards my arguments are the exact same that could be levied towards yours, except far more accurately against yours. Like Jesus Christ, at least use your own standards and adopt a "who knows?" position on this. And by the way, my position isn't "Vader didn't so he couldn't", because arguments are not in a vacuum; they're based on other variables, circumstances, and considerations that make up the argument. If you're going to accuse my position of making assumptions while spouting that aforementioned shit off, then you're as oblivious as it gets.
Originally posted by cs_zoltanWe could have also cut all of this out if you were clear in your original post, and didn't randomly bring up Ahsoka who was completely irrelevant to the original discussion with Dooku and Kenobi. Oh, but I'm the butthurt one, sure.
It was about whether Dooku dominated Kenobi or was just an opportune ragdoll. We could've cut out all this crap if you wouldn't be so butthurt 馃檪