Ok. so maybe I really did believe that Jack could change and I put up this thread even though I really knew I shouldn't bc it goes against what I think. But I don't want Jack to change!!!!!!! He is so awesome and then Elizabeth comes and messes it up and then he falls for her( yes I realy do believe he loves her, dont hate me) and he goes on this life changing escapade and I just really hate all this! It makes my brain hurt and it makes me so frustrated!!!!!!! GRRRRRRRRRRRR!
Jacks NOT changing..he's just revealing himself for who he REALLY is(according to the writers THEMSELVES) which is a caring and compassonate person..jack can love someone..its in his nature..he's just afraid to IMO because he constantly gets hurt by people who he lets close to him..this is going to be a large factor in AWE..you are gonna see Jack change..and he's gonna become what he never has been before which is a colder hearted person IMO..because he's fed up of letting people close to him and then being hurt by them...he's going to try and distance himself from caring for Elizabeth because of what happened in DMC...but is that really a good thing for his character??
davy friggin Jones anyone?
as a matter of fact I don't want Jack to give up his most loving and caring side in order to not be with Elizabeth and become a cold hearted pirate..thats just depressing..I want him to find someone who wont ever hurt him..someone to make him feel loved and feel safe about being loved and loving in return..Elizabeth has that potential IMO..she showed it at the end of DMC..
IMO she showed us that she realises she cant use Jack's caring side against him as a weakness anymore because she does have feelings for him now and those feelings are most likely there because of that caring side he has...and its the one he often shows her...hence the fact he came back for her more than anyone else on that ship..
Originally posted by pyratequeen
Ok. u just said he was going to reveal himself and not change and then u said he weas going to change. choose one side of the fence.
no thats not what i mean...In DMC he's revealing himself for who he really is which is a caring person who can love someone..in AWE he's going to try and change into something he's never been which is a cold hearted person IMO
he is the one with the potential to start mirroring Davy Jones...not Will
It was JACK she left on the pearl not Will..she left the man who came back to save her because he cares for her deeply...she didnt leave Will..Jack is the one who's going to be damaged if she chooses Will over him..
he probably wont change his life..in the curiosity scene they were both talking about what they wanted from the other if they were to ever be together..the end of DMC showed us that they can both pander to the other's wishes..so neither of them have to change at all really..she was what he wanted..he was what she wanted
you gotta remember that Jack wasnt always a pirate..he worked for the EITC..then he was branded one for setting free some slaves and then he was forced into the pirate life because of that brand he will be hung if found so he has to persue that life...he's only been a pirate for 13 years
Originally posted by LovelyOne
no thats not what i mean...In DMC he's revealing himself for who he really is which is a caring person who can love someone..in AWE he's going to try and change into something he's never been which is a cold hearted person IMOhe is the one with the potential to start mirroring Davy Jones...not Will
It was JACK she left on the pearl not Will..she left the man who came back to save her because he cares for her deeply...she didnt leave Will..Jack is the one who's going to be damaged if she chooses Will over him..
Re: I dont think J/E should happen.
Originally posted by pyratequeen
Ok guys, I no that this is probably stupid to say, but I must. I dont think that J/E should happen. I mean, think about it. If J/E happens, Will is gonna go insane and lik kill himself. And I dont luv the guy, but i hate to see the main charactrs hurt. and who says that Jack and liz r gonna stay togthr? Liz will want more out of the relationship and jack wont be able to provide it and then they will fight and liz will leave and kill herself too. So, for the sake of the characters, I dont think Jack and liz should b togthr. Im sorry, but I really do.
allright, for the most part, there is some logic to what you say about Will. At this point in the game, no one can imagine him functioning without Elizabeth--- at this point, if he lost her (especially to Jack) he would probably turn into a dark, brooding character with a completely broken heart.
But that sort of scares me about his character. I dont think anyone wants to see a character win just because he is incapable of living otherwise. that takes all the fun out of it. i dont think T and T meant to create a character that was so emotionally dependent on one thing-- and I dont think he will remain that way.
Not saying him and liz wont end up together, but I would be much happier if I at least knew he could let her go like a man if he had to.
yeah because if that is a moment where she is supposed to realize love for someone it means that she didnt know she loved them beforehand..and T&T make it pretty clear that she knows she loves will in DMC..they never however say what she feels for Jack is anything more than just that: "feelings for"..that is as far as they ever go..they say she has desire (which is pretty deep) ..mere want and lust too...never love...but doesn't that scream out "potential to love"? I mean why even raise the point that she could be with Jack if its to never happen?
let me say what I wnated to say from the start. I think liz should saty with will bc liz will be with someone she loves, william will be happy, and , as for jack, well, he will be hurt, but he can heal better than will would heal. and , from what I can see, Jack has had his heart broken before, but william hasn't, so it would be harder for will than it ever would be for jakc. jack can hide behind a hard exterior. eill can't. hes to sensitive.