Originally posted by pyratequeen
let me say what I wnated to say from the start. I think liz should saty with will bc liz will be with someone she loves, william will be happy, and , as for jack, well, he will be hurt, but he can heal better than will would heal. and , from what I can see, Jack has had his heart broken before, but william hasn't, so it would be harder for will than it ever would be for jakc. jack can hide behind a hard exterior. eill can't. hes to sensitive.
You will be surprise, I think Will is more emotionally stronger than Jack IMO
me too^^ Jack has constantly been hurt when he bares his soul to people..IMO there is only so much a person can take of that before they emotionally crack
I dont think Jack could recover as well as Will would if Elizabeth's heart lies elsewhere..Will has shown us that his father is He will stab that heart to save him even if it means he cant be with Elizaneth for a long time..
was anyone here ever bullied at highschool?
I was..when ever I would open up to people they would hurt me..
I hated that feeling..in the end I thought.."If i dont show them i can be hurt they wont hurt me..If I dont show them my emotions they wont use them against me"..and I can tell you decising to do that harmed me in the long run..big time!
Originally posted by LovelyOne
was anyone here ever bullied at highschool?I was..when ever I would open up to people they would hurt me..
I hated that feeling..in the end I thought.."If i dont show them i can be hurt they wont hurt me..If I dont show them my emotions they wont use them against me"..and I can tell you that harmed me in the long run..big time!
Noo I was the bully, I would get in to fights at least twice a week. 😄 But, I wasn't the one that started it. They would teased me and bothered me and, I just couldn't resist. 😄 I guess in a way I was kind of bullied.
Originally posted by LovelyOne
was anyone here ever bullied at highschool?I was..when ever I would open up to people they would hurt me..
I hated that feeling..in the end I thought.."If i dont show them i can be hurt they wont hurt me..If I dont show them my emotions they wont use them against me"..and I can tell you decising to do that harmed me in the long run..big time!
Welcome to my club, sista. Something similar to me happened...it wasnt about bullying though it was more about an ex love...bah!well Im not gonna make this thread into the life of Mina's but I will say this.
Liz has developed feelings for Jack in DMC. Not exactly love, but I think what she has are feelings towards him that she knows that could turn out to be love. IMO Those feelings could possibly turn out to be Love by AWE..I think..
I wasn't usually bullied, but at times I was, and it sucked balls.
That's an interesting idea on who is more stable, Will or Jack. Will has had the stability of a fairly normal childhood. He was raised by his mom until he was at least 12 and then he began to learn his trade and I'm pretty sure he had Liz as a playmate even though they were in different social circles.
Jack, I don't think, has ever had any stability in his life, but to know that for a fact, we need to be able to see his earlier years.
The thing is, Will seems to have his emotions in check and expresses them as necessary. When he's mad he shows it but doesn't go kill people, when he's calm or amused, we know it. But he always seems like he's not guided by emotion. Jack's not really, either, but he hides his feelings a little more than what is healthy. Part of the reason everyone loves him is that he's a mystery. People seldom know what side he's even on. All that can't be good, keeping things bottled up. If he were to have any romantic feelings for someone.....well, I sense a storm a brewing.
My opinion is...I could actually care less if Will is hurt or not...especially after he betrays Jack in AWE.....Will refuses to see that Jack always does things in Will's best interest....so Jack fell for Will's girl...it wasn't as if he planned on it...it was fate...destiny....maybe Liz has actually belonged to Jack all along....after all she has dreamed of him since she was a young girl....like a rock-idol....
I LOVED the Jack Sparrow that came back to the Pearl.....there is nothing sexier than a man who shows wit, courage and love....and a serious side in time of danger....Jack is all these things....
And I love the character of Jack Sparrow and I think he and Elizabeth would be great together....who says Pirates don't deserve love...and besides, Jack is not truly a Pirate. He was forced into Piracy after Beckett branded him a Pirate...13 years ago......Jack is smart, witty, caring, courageous and serious all rolled up into one person...and not to mention gorgeous and sexy...so what's not to love...Elizabeth is a fool if she passes on the opportunity to be with Jack Sparrow for pansy-eunichy, Bloody Stupid Will...and that's my opinion....
Originally posted by SarahB
yh.....but rly imo i dnt wnt him 2 be 2 romantic.. he is a pirate nd shud be like 80-90% pirate 10-20% romantic or other.lol😄😄 jkin but all im sayin is tht he shud be more piraty thn anythin but its fun to see him in a romantic crisis nd stuff lol
What I thought Captain Sparrow's finest moments is when he is flirting and being all sexy with Liz....why wouldn't you want to see that side of him, along with the Piraty side too.....I loved the way Jack behaved when he returned to the Pearl at the end of DMC...I loved the serious look on his face...and then the way he was smiling after he was outsmarted my Miss Swann....I love Jack Sparrow...witty, serious, caring and devious.....
Originally posted by lovethemtigers
What I thought Captain Sparrow's finest moments is when he is flirting and being all sexy with Liz....why wouldn't you want to see that side of him, along with the Piraty side too.....I loved the way Jack behaved when he returned to the Pearl at the end of DMC...I loved the serious look on his face...and then the way he was smiling after he was outsmarted my Miss Swann....I love Jack Sparrow...witty, serious, caring and devious.....
ME TOO. 🙂
I totally identify with what you guys said about opening up to people and getting hurt. In a sense, I feel like when we cheer for Jack, we are cheering for people who have been rejected, even ourselves, to suceed and get their heart's desire once in a while. which is probably why a lot of people still support Norrington as well. But with Jack, life has been such a struggle for him--- he has all these dreams and plans, and he really doesnt need a lot to make him happy.
Okay people, I'd just like to say one thing. Elizabeth is not just a heartless ***** that is out to hurt Jack. She did what she thought was right, she was confused and Jack is a grown man. He's not a child that has to be nursed and everything.
Elizabeth can or cannot cold shoulder him, it doesn't matter if she should or not. It will happen or not, but I don't appriciate everyone ganging up on her cause she hurt our main character. It's EXACTLY what the EW shippers do. They prosicute her for hurting Will.
It's shameful.
Jack is a man, and a pirate. He's learned to deal with pain and death, everyone has a hard time in their life. Just cause he's going to suffer, you turn on everyone else? That's not right man.
Elizabeth tied Jack to the mast because that's the only way she can get rid of him and SAVE THE OTHERS. I know most of the J/E shippers say it's because she wanted to get rid of the temptation, but remember she's not stupid. She killed him to save the other TOO. Not just because she's afraid to love him.
Sorry, it's just that all I hear these days is 'OMG, Liz is a *****, why is she hurting Jack/Will?'
OMG, that's so stupid. Try being in her position, when a GIANT SEA MONSTER IS CLAWING AT THE SHIP YOU AND YOUR FIANCE (if she loves him or not) AND A CREW IS ON. And there is one man that is the reason for it all.
What would you do. Let everyone die, keep running till it catches up? Or save the people you love and sacrifice something dear to you. I think what she did was very heroic, and remember, she's going back to save him.
i'm not gonna judge Elizabeth's actions. I wouldn't say they were technically wrong, but I certainly wouldn't have been able to leave Jack. it seems to present Elizabeth as an incredibly harsh character, hardened emotionally i mean, which is why the final scene is so redeeming and important.
but her actions make for one of the hottest, most intense cinematic scenes ever, and i just love the drama this has added to everything. its epic. Elizabeth turns siren, Jack turns lover, Will turns pirate, Barbossa joins the heroes, Norri gets hot, etc etc etc. the story is genius. i love it.
i cant agree that elizabeth's actions were heroic, but i wouldnt say she was a ***** or anything. lol.
Being able to walk away from Jack indicates the vast amount of strength she has in her and makes her so desirable to Jack. We could see how hard it was for her to do it, but she stuck by what she thought she had to do, and that has to be admired.
I hear a lot of negative things about Liz sometimes, too, and it just sounds like sour grapes to me.