Originally posted by Hoshi
the guy it showed didnt have green hair, he was just like yujirou , even the hair was almost equal to how it is now.
Of course it's not going to have color it's a manga, and in the anime it showed him having green hair. Never mind that the guy they showed did not have the mark of the ogre. Also, Why would yujiro have to train in northern shoalin?
yujirou trained at almost all decent places , maybe he trained for little time , but he did it. In the anime it show a guy with the same hairstyle as yujirou , with yellow hair , but the same smile and body .
Even if he learned such a tech , he wouldnt be able to win against gouki.What yujirou has in his upper hand? More tech maybe, but that is all . Speed,power,firepower,experience,bloodline , akuma is far superior in all aspects.
Originally posted by Hoshi
yujirou trained at almost all decent places , maybe he trained for little time , but he did it. In the anime it show a guy with the same hairstyle as yujirou , with yellow hair , but the same smile and body .Even if he learned such a tech , he wouldnt be able to win against gouki.What yujirou has in his upper hand? More tech maybe, but that is all . Speed,power,firepower,experience,bloodline , akuma is far superior in all aspects.
Okay, now your just being biased. First of all the guy cannot be yujiro, he is a kaiou. Retsu knows him,yet,when he met yujiro he said nothing about him being a kaiou.
Second, yujiro has natural talent he doesn't need to train, and what bloodline advantage does gouki have?! Experience is about the same, Speed is a a maybe, power about the same.
power about the same? Destroying ayers rock and a island with a single punch is nothing like yujirou has ever done before.
Bloodline ? gouki posses the natural power of the dark hadou , something a very few people does, and hell yes, much more terrifying than yujirous ogre thing.
Speed like you said is a maybe , but goukis speed if he wants is so fast you can only see his after image, yujirou has that speed with his moves, but not body speed.
You mean Yujirou never trains?I believe yujirous training is beating the hell out of fighters , like baki said himself.
Experience ? Probaly they are almost equal , but Gouki is used to fighting guys like yujirou , but yujirou certainly is not used to fight someone who is able to do attacks based in ki like the hadouken.
street fighter moves , the majority of them , are based on real moves transformed in super moves.Zangief spining power bomb for example , he who has over 150 kg grab his opponent(anyone , even blanka or honda) , jump about 2 m or more (more than the world record) , spind his oponent about three times and hit his head on the floor .And that is not even a super strong move in SF , but in grappler baki a well executed suplex can KO tough guys like Hanayama .
Yujirou killed a polar bear with a deadly combination , balrog kille an elephant with a single punch.
Originally posted by Hoshi
street fighter moves , the majority of them , are based on real moves transformed in super moves.Zangief spining power bomb for example , he who has over 150 kg grab his opponent(anyone , even blanka or honda) , jump about 2 m or more (more than the world record) , spind his oponent about three times and hit his head on the floor .And that is not even a super strong move in SF , but in grappler baki a well executed suplex can KO tough guys like Hanayama .
Yujirou killed a polar bear with a deadly combination , balrog kille an elephant with a single punch.
Originally posted by Hoshi
power about the same? Destroying ayers rock and a island with a single punch is nothing like yujirou has ever done before.
Bloodline ? gouki posses the natural power of the dark hadou , something a very few people does, and hell yes, much more terrifying than yujirous ogre thing.
Speed like you said is a maybe , but goukis speed if he wants is so fast you can only see his after image, yujirou has that speed with his moves, but not body speed.
You mean Yujirou never trains?I believe yujirous training is beating the hell out of fighters , like baki said himself.
Experience ? Probaly they are almost equal , but Gouki is used to fighting guys like yujirou , but yujirou certainly is not used to fight someone who is able to do attacks based in ki like the hadouken.
Sigh, worng hoshi. Yujiro stopped tectonic plates from shifting in one punch. That's even more impresive than ayers rock. Gouki, was not born with any natural ability. He controls satsu no hadou because he chooses to follow the path of asura on his own. Yujiro doesn't have body speed, so, when yujiro performed his "Ogre Punch" on doppo and his upper body vanished that wasn't fast. Never mind that human eye's cannot register movements in fights of grappler baki series.
I never said he doesn't train, he just has natural talent and gains stregth for experience rather than training regiments. Finally, can people stop equating fireballs to strength, please. Hadouken is just an extension of physical ability, if it really was a big deal then gouki should be able to beat gen with no problem.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Finally, can people stop equating fireballs to strength, please. Hadouken is just an extension of physical ability, if it really was a big deal then gouki should be able to beat gen with no problem.
I addressed this in the Ryu vs Akira thread, Asthar, you have no proof of this... Ryu's blasts have taken down buildings, they work at range, and they have various effects not found in his regular attacks, such as immolation and electricity.
I reknew my call for proof.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I addressed this in the Ryu vs Akira thread, Asthar, you have no proof of this... Ryu's blasts have taken down buildings, they work at range, and they have various effects not found in his regular attacks, such as immolation and electricity.I reknew my call for proof.
Maybe it's because of ryu's physical strength, and adding properties doesn't really change it's nature. Shinkuu hadouken is just a hadou with vacuum energy and denjin electric.
Well, Capcom went and described a lot of the projectiles, at least.Ryu
Hadoken - About the same temp as the human body. Feels like getting hit by
a nice solid kick. Once hit by this, the damage stays for a vey long time.
Shakunetsu Hadoken - The same temp as hot water. Not enough to burn cloths.Ken's Hadoken - Neither hot nor cold. Feels like a nice solid punch. The
damage doesn't stay like Ryu's.
Sakura's Hadoken - Is very warm, not as hot as Ken's. The effect varies on
which type. Small - Feels like a hard slap. Medium - same as Ken's. Large -
Same as Ryu's.
Gouki's GouHadoken - About the same temperature as the human body. Same
kind as Ryu's but much greater in power and effect.
Dan's Gadoken - Very warm. Feels like a slap.
Yoga Fire - Same temperature as boiling hot water. The damage feels kinda
like the same feeling you get when you eat something very, very
spicy.(Curry)
Tiger shot - The damage feels like getting mauled by a ferocious tiger. The
temperature is freezing cold.
Kikoken - About the temperature of a warm bath. The hit doesn't feel like a
solid hit but more of an effect that affects the whole body.
Soul Spark - Isn't cold or hot. The hit itself isn't hard at all but it
makes the area it hit very numb.
Psycho Shot - Very, very hot. And the hit will burn the area it hits
instantly and makes it very numb.
http://db.gamefaqs.com/coinop/arcade/file/street_fighter_plot.txt
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Maybe it's because of ryu's physical strength, and adding properties doesn't really change it's nature. Shinkuu hadouken is just a hadou with vacuum energy and denjin electric.
That doesn't say it's the same as their physical statistics at all... you made stuff up as filler, I'm not going to swallow that.
AND, if Ryu is that strong or stronger, then why are you so adamant about tearing it down as an argument?
The Shinkuu Hadouken, Shankunetsu hadouken and Denjin hadouken would have to work on the exact same principal if you where true, And since when does ryu control vacuums and electricity on it's own? you have to be able to control those various energy types before you can add them to your attacks...
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
That doesn't say it's the same as their physical statistics at all... you made stuff up as filler, I'm not going to swallow that .
Added as a filler, so, despite the it mentioning their striking abilities as the descriptions for their respective projectiles, it's a filler?!
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
AND, if Ryu is that strong or stronger, then why are you so adamant about tearing it down as an argument?
When have I doubted his strength?
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
The Shinkuu Hadouken, Shankunetsu hadouken and Denjin hadouken would have to work on the exact same principal if you where true, And since when does ryu control vacuums and electricity on it's own? you have to be able to control those various energy types before you can add them to your attacks...
Shakunetsu is not a fire, its just a hot hadouken And what's so far fecthed about Ryu control those energy's indivdualy? Ken can channel fire but, ryu cannot channel electricity, please.
You are aware that in martial arts ki has priinciples based on elements, right?
Nevermind the various people able to channel elements in street fighter.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Added as a filler, so, despite the it mentioning their striking abilities as the descriptions it's a filler?!
Because unless you guage Ryu's kicks, it is killer... How strong a kick? what kick do you know of causes explosions?... the description is vague at best... Plus, Capcom has already stated that if Street fighter was ever made into an Animeby them, the Alpha Moves would be their closest representations of how they would do it, so the blowing up building, and the disintegration of Saddler is admissable, name one physical attack that does what Ryu's Hadouken did to him...
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
When have I doubted his stregth?
When you said that the Hadouken shouldn't be used as a marker for character strength, despite this not being the case
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Shakunetsu is not a fire, its just a hot hadouken.And what's so far fecthed about ryu control those energy's indivdualy? Ken can channel fire but, ryu cannot channel electricity, please.You are aware that in martial arts ki has priinciples based on elements, right?
Nevermind the various people being ablie to channel elements in street fighter.
Because you've now got Ryu controling 4 separate energy types, and outside of the Hadouken, they have never been shown... Other than the Hurricane Kick Super Art.
Are you aware that they are not actually CHANNELING the element, rather manipulating their Ki to form various effects, this demonstrates not only the poer, but the control that the characters have over their Ki?
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Because unless you guage Ryu's kicks, it is killer... How strong a kick? what kick do you know of causes explosions?... the description is vague at best... Plus, Capcom has already stated that if Street fighter was ever made into an Animeby them, the Alpha Moves would be their closest representations of how they would do it, so the blowing up building, and the disintegration of Saddler is admissable, name one physical attack that does what Ryu's Hadouken did to him...
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
When you said that the Hadouken shouldn't be used as a marker for character strength, despite this not being the case
Quote me on that, I'm pretty sure I said that projectiles shouldn't be used as a marker for strength in a versus. Because people have a habit of assuming because a person is armed with a projectile he/her wins.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Because you've now got Ryu controling 4 separate energy types, and outside of the Hadouken, they have never been shown... Other than the Hurricane Kick Super Art.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Are you aware that they are not actually CHANNELING the element, rather manipulating their Ki to form various effects, this demonstrates not only the poer, but the control that the characters have over their Ki?
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Blowing up a building, what are you talking about darkstorm? There was no real explosion, the building was just ripped apart by the force of the hadouken.There wasn't even any sign of a fire in that so called explosion and Sadlar was killed by evil ryu not ryu. When ryu performed a hadouken in a room at an interpol buildingg, despite the room being ripped apart there was no [B]FIRE. So, it's not like a bomb if your implying that. [/B]
The smoke for one thing..., and even though there was no EXPLOSION perse, you see the shockwaves, you see the entire side of the building collapse, and you see the debris was everywhere, tell me an instance where you see a regular kick do this in the SF series...
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Quote me on that, I'm pretty sure I said that projectiles shouldn't be used as a marker for strength in a versus. Because people have a habit of assuming because a person is armed with a projectile he/her wins.
So, you get to decide what people should and shouldn't use in a debate because you disagree with it? No Asthar, you'll need a better argument to get perfectly good evidence thrown out...
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Since when re move sets shown correctly in street fighter games? Cammy for instance controls psycho energy, Yet, the only game that displays this correctly is Marvel vs Capcom 2.
Because if she can't control it, or summon it yet she can't use it...
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Wrong, it's channeling, capcom has said that multiple times.
When and where, show me a source.. and if it points to Capcom of America, I am so going to be internet slapping you... 😛
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
The smoke for one thing..., and even though there was no EXPLOSION perse, you see the shockwaves, you see the entire side of the building collapse, and you see the debris was everywhere, tell me an instance where you see a regular kick do this in the SF series...
So what, when Ryu punched sadlar with a straight punch there was shock waves as well as smoke. Infact the impact was so strong it shattered the floor below them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnEA0dtpiJ4
Nevermind that his strikes can rip clothes.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
So, you get to decide what people should and shouldn't use in a debate because you disagree with it? No Asthar, you'll need a better argument to get perfectly good evidence thrown out...
When did I say that, what I said earlier has nothing to do with this argument. Infact can you even quote me instead of twisting what I said?
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Because if she can't control it, or summon it yet she can't use it...
She can control it, all the dolls can and they do use it. It just isn't shown properly in alpha 3. Hell, bison sent vega to kill cammy because he was so worried.
She might not be able to channel it like bison but, she can use it.
Cammy
only takes the psycho power aspects of Bison's DNA. The part that lets
Bison manipulate the Psycho Drives. Bison warns Vega about this and that
if Cammy goes out of control, the Psycho Drive will go out of control too
(obviously, not a threat anymore in the present after Charlie blew the
Psycho Drive up). Also obvious is that that's ALL that Cammy took from
Bison, and that they used no DNA in making her that had to do with
appearance. On a side note, it really shocks Bison when he discovers the
other dolls are in-tune with Bison enough to control the Psycho Drive,
themselves
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
When and where, show me a source.. and if it points to Capcom of America, I am so going to be internet slapping you... 😛
Well, I can't prove ken channels fire But, if your description is correct can you get a source to verify it?
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
So what, when Ryu punched sadlar with a straight punch there was shock waves as well as smoke. Infact the impact was so strong it shattered the floor below them.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnEA0dtpiJ4
Nevermind that his strikes can rip clothes.
Nowhere near the same level Asthar...
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
When did I say that, what I said earlier has nothing to do with this argument. Infact can you even quote me instead of twisting what I said?
Sure, i'll give you two:
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Sigh, worng hoshi. Yujiro stopped tectonic plates from shifting in one punch. That's even more impresive than ayers rock. Gouki, was not born with any natural ability. He controls satsu no hadou because he chooses to follow the path of asura on his own. Yujiro doesn't have body speed, so, when yujiro performed his "Ogre Punch" on doppo and his upper body vanished that wasn't fast. Never mind that human eye's cannot register movements in fights of grappler baki series.I never said he doesn't train, he just has natural talent and gains stregth for experience rather than training regiments. Finally, can people stop equating fireballs to strength, please. Hadouken is just an extension of physical ability, if it really was a big deal then gouki should be able to beat gen with no problem.
This one was from earlier this thread, you see the last sentence?
And this one:
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Can people stop equating a character with a projectile stronger than without one.
From the Ryu vs Akira yuki thread.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
She can control it, all the dolls can and they do use it. It just isn't shown properly in alpha 3. Hell, bison sent vega to kill cammy because he was so worried.
She controlled it in her Ending only, and even then it wan't complete, in fact, she was dying... Now there is a difference bitween partial control, and full control, and again,there's a difference bitween control, and summoning it.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Well, I can't prove ken channels fire But, if your description is correct can you get a source to verify it?
I have no need to, since it's not my job to prove a negative, but no, and since there's no proof either way... i guess we either debate till we reach an amicable agreement, or drop this particular argument for now.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Nowhere near the same level Asthar...
Why would it be, that was Satsu No Ryu that destroyed the building not regular ryu. Big difference in stregth dark storm.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Sure, i'll give you two:
And how am I downplaying the hadouken in that particular sentence?
Like I said, just because someone has a projectile =/= GOD like people keep posting because a projectile is an extension of their physical stats. You keep bringing up ryu destroying a building as some kind of evidence despite that was Satsu No Ryu.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
And this one:
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
She controlled it in her Ending only, and even then it wan't complete, in fact, she was dying... Now there is a difference bitween partial control, and full control, and again,there's a difference bitween control, and summoning it.
Wrong, cammy could control the psycho drive completely, that's why bison wanted her dead. If she had partial control why would bison say this:
Bison warns Vega about this and that
if Cammy goes out of control, the Psycho Drive will go out of control too
And she wasn't dying from the psycho drive, the reasons why the dolls started dying was because they were reliant on bison without him they would die. Nevermind that was a hypothetical ending.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I have no need to, since it's not my job to prove a negative, but no, and since there's no proof either way... i guess we either debate till we reach an amicable agreement, or drop this particular argument for now.
Not, your job, you just give an explanation about how they form their ki into elements and provided no prooffor your argument and proceed to ask me for proof. So, then that claim you made is moot, your right, you can't prove a negative.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Why would it be, that was [B]Satsu No Ryu that destroyed the building not regualr ryu.[/B]
Not the first shot..., and the Saddler killer blast wasn't Evil Ryu
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
And how am I downplaying the hadouken in that particular sentence?
Like I said, just because someone has a projectile =/= GOD like people keep posting because he a projectile is an extension of their physical stats. You keep bringing up ryu destroying a building as some kind of evidence despite that was [B]Satsu No Ryu.[/B]
Who posted that?, I don't agree with that, but I also don't beleive in tossing out the Hadouken argument entirely because of fanboys...
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
And how am I downplaying people with projectiles?
already answered... you want to toss theprojectile argument entirely because fanboys frustrated you...
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Wrong, cammy could control the psycho drive completely, that's why bison wanted her dead. If she had p[artial control why would bison say this:
BZZZZZT! she wasn't aware of it, therefore she had no control over it... As her physical abilities developed, her powers started to show, but not manifest, Bison was concerned about the future of the drive...
I always find it strange how he never anticipated this...
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Not, your job, you just give an explanation about how they form their ki into elements and provided no prooffor your argument and proceed to ask me for proof. So, then that claim you made is moot, your right, you can't prove a negative.
I offered an alternate theory.. you claimed fact, so I asked for evidence, don't shoot me for doing the same thing you did...
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Not the first shot..., and the Saddler killer blast wasn't Evil Ryu
Which shot is beyond ryu's striking, the building destroying shot was done by dark ryu. And the one that killed sadldler was a shinkuu which has vacuum energy. Nevermind that ryu did a straight punch to saddler that destroyed a huge section of the floor and send shock waves traveling the ground. A shinkuu can have the force of multiple solid strikes from ryu, you never know. Gouki has enough striking power to sink an island (That's higher than any hadouken feat) So, it's not wrong to say a hadouken is an extension of striking power.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Who posted that?, I don't agree with that, but I also don't beleive in tossing out the Hadouken argument entirely because of fanboys...already answered... you want to toss theprojectile argument entirely because fanboys frustrated you...
Where did I say to toss it out completely, I know projectiles give you an advantage. But, to say a character wins because he has a projectile is fanboyish. If you look at the post I made responses to you will see my point.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
BZZZZZT! she wasn't aware of it, therefore she had no control over it... As her physical abilities developed, her powers started to show, but not manifest, Bison was concerned about the future of the drive...I always find it strange how he never anticipated this...
She had control over it, infact she even healed all the dolls. If she had no control like you said she could not have done that darkstorm.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I offered an alternate theory.. you claimed fact, so I asked for evidence, don't shoot me for doing the same thing you did...
I'm shooting you done because your constantly asking for proof, despite not providing proof for your own theories.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Which shot is beyond ryu's striking, the building destroying shot was done by dark ryu. And the one that killed sadldler was a shinkuu which has vacuum energy. Nevermind that ryu did a straight punch to saddler that destroyed a huge section of the floor and send shock waves traveling the ground. A shinkuu can have the force of multiple solid strikes from ryu, you never know. Gouki has enough striking power to sink an island (That's higher than any hadouken feat) So, it's not wrong to say a hadouken is an extension of striking power.
Your using the 2nd energy scource argument to verify this argument, despite not having any evidence that Ryu has Vaccuume energy?
We'll get back to this later...
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Where did I say to toss it out completely, I know projectiles give you an advantage. But, to say a character wins because he has a projectile is fanboyish. If you look at the post I made responses to you will see my point.
I'm getting sick of quoting parts that are in this very thread, on this very same page Asthar... Here:
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Quote me on that, I'm pretty sure I said that projectiles shouldn't be used as a marker for strength in a versus. Because people have a habit of assuming because a person is armed with a projectile he/her wins.
Your pretty sure now? you've JUST said that you think the Hadouken shouldn't be used in a debate (staple on reason here) to throw it out because of SOME people's bad habbits...
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
She had control over it, infact she even healed all the dolls. If she had no control like you said she could not have done that darkstorm.
After Bison was dead, and after she was made aware of it... But it was not even starting to manifest at the time, in fact, she was dying...
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I'm shooting you done because your constantly asking for proof, despite not providing proof for your own theories.
You did the exact same thing.... Don't be hypocritical.... I asked for proof because, unlike me, you claimed that Capcom stated it, and based on that claim, you tried to pass it off as fact, I called it, and you faultered... All I did, was offer an alternate theory, if you have a problem with that, then thats your problem.
EDIT: One more thing Asthar, i don't go CLAIMING fact without direct evidence to support it, because without evidence, all it is is a theory... and theories can be disproven.