Originally posted by willRules
But Deadpool's immortality was intended to be humorous, Logan's is serious, and poor writing at that.Answer me this, if Logan was nowhere near as popular as he is today, do you think he would be immortal?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It's just poorly contrived really. 😬And thus far, as far as I know, there is no real "why?" to it.
Originally posted by capt it upYour saying, that you find it believable that out of how ever many people in the universe, Logan gets born with true immortality?
Ya is that a problem?
Originally posted by capt it upBut he can be killed, is what your saying.
Yes since if he chooses not to or does not lose in an after life match he will not die
Originally posted by capt it up
No not really if it was stated it was stated.
Originally posted by capt it upOk, then you think that anything given to anyone, isn't as believable as someone who was born with it?
yes I said that. Is wolverine powers more believable? I would say yes since a mutation seems a better way to gain powers them being hit with gamma rays.
Death can't claim him forever.
Nope, I still think Deadpool's is way more believable than this...
Originally posted by capt it upTrying to get me, since you should know, I don't know comic issues that well, but since you insist...
Cool can you prove this with a comic number?
Originally posted by capt it up
Did you not hear me the first time? Logan can die how ever he will come back to life. There no evidence to suggest he would not have come back to life
No wait, better example, Maestro, fire away...
You can't use something that happened a comic ago to try and prove me wrong. This stuff has happened, and the only way you can try and prove your point here, is if they had ret-conned Wolverine's history.
Which they probably did...
Originally posted by capt it upGuess you forgot what we were talking about...
Why woud this be important?
Originally posted by capt it upThat's not what Future Imperfect said... 😱
logan can be killed how ever he would not remain dead since he soul still lives
Originally posted by capt it up
why does there need to be a why? He was always thought to be immortal it finally been proven how he is one. There nothing abd about the writting what people find bad is the fact they do not wish logan to be immortal becuase they feel it will make him harder to beat.
Originally posted by Accel
I don't think it makes him harder to beat. I just want a logical explanantion to how the hell his skin, muscles, and organs all regenerate from nothing without feeling like the writer pulled an explanation out his ass.
Originally posted by capt it up
becuase he immortal same thing with deadpool why can deadpool regenerate from nothing? becuase he immortal same thing.
Deadpool's healing factor is at least explained from being cursed by Thanos, who we all know has powerful cosmic abilities.
Not to mention Deadpool's immortality explanation wasn't just thrown in there after he regenerated from a puddle or whatnot.
Originally posted by Accel
They're nothing alike at all.Deadpool's healing factor is at least explained from being cursed by Thanos, who we all know has powerful cosmic abilities.
Not to mention Deadpool's immortality explanation wasn't just thrown in there after he regenerated from a puddle or whatnot.
Originally posted by capt it up
just thrown in? he been hitned at being immortal for over 15 years. He was also stated to be. The explaination is fine and I enjoyed it. You have your own opinion thats fine.
Any way, when I said "immortality," I was mainly referring back to the whole regenerating-from-nothing scenario. That was just thrown in. And I still feel cheated of a proper explanation besides just saying "Well, Wolverine just can't die."
Originally posted by bigbran
Your saying, that you find it believable that out of how ever many people in the universe, Logan gets born with true immortality?
Originally posted by bigbran
Also, your also saying that you find it more believable for Logan to have immortality, than anyone who was blessed by it, by Death, or anyone else?
Originally posted by bigbran
But he can be killed, is what your saying.
A kill is a kill, no matter how you put it.
Originally posted by bigbran
It was only really proved about a month or so ago. It might have been said, or do you have a direct reference to it?
Originally posted by bigbran
Ok, then you think that anything given to anyone, isn't as believable as someone who was born with it?
Originally posted by bigbran
So Wolverine was born with the ability to stay out of Death's grasp?
He was born with the ability to die how ever his soul has a chooses to go back to life or to die for ever.
Originally posted by bigbran
Sure he can die, but he can't stay like that forever, unless he wants to.
So Wolverine>Death?
Did I ever say that wolverine was more powerful then death? No I said wolverine can not die for good if he so wishes and wins his fight.
Originally posted by bigbran
You believe this?
Originally posted by bigbran
Nope, I still think Deadpool's is way more believable than this...
Originally posted by bigbran
Trying to get me, since you should know,
Originally posted by bigbran
I don't know comic issues that well, but since you insist...
Thor v2 73 - 575 The Reigning 5.
Originally posted by bigbran
I KNOW THIS!
Cool then stop argueing it.
Originally posted by bigbran
But in that series, he never came back, now did he?
Originally posted by bigbran
No wait, better example, Maestro, fire away...
Originally posted by bigbran
You can't use something that happened a comic ago to try and prove me wrong. This stuff has happened, and the only way you can try and prove your point here, is if they had ret-conned Wolverine's history.
Originally posted by bigbran
Guess you forgot what we were talking about...
Nevermind then.
Originally posted by bigbran
That's not what Future Imperfect said... 😱
Originally posted by Accel
You say that like every Wolverine/X-Men writer in the past 15 years has hinted this.Any way, when I said "immortality," I was mainly referring back to the whole regenerating-from-nothing scenario. That was just thrown in. And I still feel cheated of a proper explanation besides just saying "Well, Wolverine just can't die."
Not ever writter has said this but many have hintted at it over the years.
does every writter need to? It official it cannon. so who cares you can dislike it, but it won't change any thing.
Originally posted by capt it up
what more do you need? immortal is immortal not to mention his skeleton was still there.Not ever writter has said this but many have hintted at it over the years.
does every writter need to? It official it cannon. so who cares you can dislike it, but it won't change any thing.
If the guy at least said this was the result of something like magic or cosmic powers (similar to Deadpool's case), then it'd be easier to accept.
Ok, I would just like to point out that Wolverine ISN'T technically immortal. he just possesses the POTENTIAL to be so. As in, if he somehow manages to beat that guy every time he dies FOREVER, he won't stay dead. But from what I gathered, that guy gets harder to beat every time. So I think it's better to think of Wolverine as a cat with 9 lives. Yeah, he'll come back a few times, but eventually that other guy is going to get lucky, and when he does Wolverine stays dead.
Also, to answer some questions I've read throughout the thread...
Yes the King Thor thing is 616 and therefore cannon.
The fight between the heroes lasted several hours, and unless I'm mistaken, it was actually a while after the fight that Thor went back in time(possibly days, but I can't remember for sure because it was a while ago that I read that book). So I'm pretty sure that he stayed dead(or would have if Thor hadn't changed the timeline.
And finally, Wolverines immortality is BS because it doesn't really go along with his character. He's supposed to be an animal like human(which MOST of his powerset goes along with, even his healing factor), but the coming back from the dead thing just got thrown in there. It just doesn't fit with everything else he's got going for him. And yes I know his immortality has been HINTED at since 91, but it was always by PEOPLE. There's no way they knew what happened after he died, which leads me to believe that when they hinted at his immortality, they were just talking about his long lifespan, and healing abilities.
Originally posted by Accel
"Immortal" doesn't explain how his skin, organs, muscles, etc, come back. That's what bugs me. Just saying he's immortal is a cop-out answer that cheats the reader out of a real explanation.If the guy at least said this was the result of something like magic or cosmic powers (similar to Deadpool's case), then it'd be easier to accept.
He died in comic a few times and I mean really died and every time he comes back. I can named 4 if not more times when he has died and I mean has been dead for good. It makes a lot of senses he was born it how eevr you don't agree and thats cool how ever it does not make it a cop-out
Originally posted by capt it up
why? why si that easier then for him to have been born it?He died in comic a few times and I mean really died and every time he comes back. I can named 4 if not more times when he has died and I mean has been dead for good. It makes a lot of senses he was born it how eevr you don't agree and thats cool how ever it does not make it a cop-out
What I want is an explanation of how his body grew back. Wolverine being born immortal, Wolverine being hinted as being immortal, Wolverine having to fight a demon- none of it really explains how his body grew back from just about nothing.
Wolverine may have been hinted as being immortal God knows how many times in the past, but this current writer only used it as a cop-out to to cheat the reader out of an at least somewhat sensible explanation of how he regenerated from nothing.
That is basically every one's problem with the issue at hand. No one really cares if he's immortal, just as long as there's better logic behind it than simply fighting a metaphorical demon. Mr Immortal's excuse is that he actually evolved past death so being immortal is what his entire character revolves around. Deadpool's excuse is that he's cursed by Thanos. All I'm asking is give Wolverine a better excuse than just "Huh, I can't die."
Originally posted by darthgoober
Ok, I would just like to point out that Wolverine ISN'T technically immortal. he just possesses the POTENTIAL to be so. As in, if he somehow manages to beat that guy every time he dies FOREVER, he won't stay dead. But from what I gathered, that guy gets harder to beat every time. So I think it's better to think of Wolverine as a cat with 9 lives. Yeah, he'll come back a few times, but eventually that other guy is going to get lucky, and when he does Wolverine stays dead.
Also, to answer some questions I've read throughout the thread...
Originally posted by darthgoober
Yes the King Thor thing is 616 and therefore cannon.[QUOTE=7856953]Originally posted by darthgoober
[B]The fight between the heroes lasted several hours, and unless I'm mistaken, it was actually a while after the fight that Thor went back in time(possibly days, but I can't remember for sure because it was a while ago that I read that book). So I'm pretty sure that he stayed dead(or would have if Thor hadn't changed the timeline.
First off there was no indication it lasted several hour. A panel is 2 seconds and after Logan died it last a total of like 12 panels if that. That’s not even a minut. There really no evidence it last any were longer then 2 minuts as if it should at all king thor far superior to all he was fighting.
Originally posted by darthgoober
And finally, Wolverines immortality is BS
Why this?
Originally posted by darthgoober
because it doesn't really go along with his character.
Originally posted by darthgoober
He's supposed to be an animal like human(which MOST of his powerset goes along with, even his healing factor),
Originally posted by darthgoober
but the coming back from the dead thing just got thrown in there.
Originally posted by darthgoober
It just doesn't fit with everything else he's got going for him.
Originally posted by darthgoober
And yes I know his immortality has been HINTED at since 91, but it was always by PEOPLE. There's no way they knew what happened after he died, which leads me to believe that when they hinted at his immortality, they were just talking about his long lifespan, and healing abilities.
Really does not matter it happen and you can hate it till you die it does not change the fact it is fact.
Originally posted by Accel
You're not getting what I'm saying. I don't care if he has an immortal soul or if he can die and then come back. I'm fine with that.What I want is an explanation of how his body grew back. Wolverine being born immortal, Wolverine being hinted as being immortal, Wolverine having to fight a demon- none of it really explains how his body grew back from just about nothing.
Wolverine may have been hinted as being immortal God knows how many times in the past, but this current writer only used it as a cop-out to to cheat the reader out of an at least somewhat sensible explanation of how he regenerated from nothing.
That is basically every one's problem with the issue at hand. No one really cares if he's immortal, just as long as there's better logic behind it than simply fighting a metaphorical demon. Mr Immortal's excuse is that he actually evolved past death so being immortal is what his entire character revolves around. Deadpool's excuse is that he's cursed by Thanos. All I'm asking is give Wolverine a better excuse than just "Huh, I can't die."