What Comic People Have Died And Came Back The Most?

Originally posted by capt it up
Yes. Makes perfect example that a person who power was to regenerate was one of the choosen immortals. Makes more senses then adam of clan destine being immortal.

Originally posted by capt it up
In my opinion I find it more believable is that a problem? Are you trying to say I am not allowed to my own opinion?

Originally posted by capt it up
Did you even read the issue? He dies and then he goes to the after life then decides if he will die for ever or would he rather stay a live. He dies how ever he can come back to life that is how he immortal. I not sure how your having such a hard time clasping this

Wolverine can die, do you agree? Maybe not by other means, but he can die, right?

When Death choses someone to be immotal, then only she can change that fact.
A little more different.

Originally posted by capt it up
Yes in 1991 when I get home I will get the issue number. The man who gave logan his skeleton said he did because logan was immortal.

Originally posted by capt it up
In my opinion yes in comics there pretty much as believable as one another since comics have some of the craziest things such as Jesus battle zues.

Originally posted by capt it up
He was born with the ability to die how ever his soul has a chooses to go back to life or to die for ever.

Originally posted by capt it up
Did I ever say that wolverine was more powerful then death? No I said wolverine can not die for good if he so wishes and wins his fight.

Originally posted by capt it up
There nothing to believe he immortal. Are you trying to disprove a proven fact?

Originally posted by capt it up
Your opinion which I do not agree with.

Originally posted by capt it up
In my opinion I find it more believable is that a problem? Are you trying to say I am not allowed to my own opinion?

Originally posted by capt it up
Why should I know this?

Originally posted by capt it up
thanks

Originally posted by capt it up
Cool then stop argueing it.

Originally posted by capt it up
In my opinion I find it more believable is that a problem? Are you trying to say I am not allowed to my own opinion?

Originally posted by capt it up
Yes but it also ended a minut or so later. So how was he suppose to come back? His after life battle would of taken far longer then that.

Originally posted by capt it up
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Originally posted by capt it up
Not really he immortal they said it. Why can’t I? There no prove he would have stayed dead.

Originally posted by capt it up
No I remember what we were talken about, but there was no point in it.

Originally posted by capt it up
What the hell is future imperfect?

Originally posted by capt it up
no his excuses his he immortal his soul is and it will bring him back. maybe his energy that his body gives off reforms it. It quite possible that his soul energy will remake his body just as icemans energy regrowns his. It not a cop-out and it makes senses. why can't his energy remake his body or atleast a little part of it till his healing brings the rest back? His healing is also in his DNA so one cell left will heal his body once the soul starts it up. also how do we know all of his body was gone and not some cells were left?

Wolverine just being hinted as immortal by a couple of random writers in the past doesn't excuse the fact that this writer had nothign better to explain it with.

Also, what difference would a few cells make? Soul or no soul, Wolverine's healing factor has almost never been portrayed as nearly that effective.

Originally posted by capt it up
No the guys does not get harder. Also I bet there will be an arc were he finds a way to defeat the guy for ever. Also I don’t think he will allows him self to die for ever till his inner demons are settled.

Originally posted by capt it up First off there was no indication it lasted several hour. A panel is 2 seconds and after Logan died it last a total of like 12 panels if that. That’s not even a minut. There really no evidence it last any were longer then 2 minuts as if it should at all king thor far superior to all he was fighting.[/B]

Originally posted by capt it up Not he not. He a mutant not a animal haft human.[/B]

Originally posted by capt it up Really now why you say this? Logans died on what 5 occassions and has come back every single time. He been thought of as immortal for years.[/B]

Originally posted by capt it up That your opinion not marvels and not mine.[/B]

Originally posted by capt it up Not at all. The first person to bring it up new more about logan then any one else even more then logan new about him self. He new the insides and outs of logan.[/B]

Originally posted by capt it up Really does not matter it happen and you can hate it till you die it does not change the fact it is fact. [/B]

Originally posted by Accel
Wolverine was never an energy wielder. That's the problem with that. His healing factor doesn't work that way.

Wolverine just being hinted as immortal by a couple of random writers in the past doesn't excuse the fact that this writer had nothign better to explain it with.

Also, what difference would a few cells make? Soul or no soul, Wolverine's healing factor has almost never been portrayed as nearly that effective.

The nuke disintegrated everything, and Wolverine healed in what, 2 seconds?

Weren't you saying earlier Capt, that Wolverine's fight with the afterlife lasts a hell of a lot longer than this?
Face it, the writers didn't say, "in a couple of years, we will just write a story about him having immortality", they didn't think of this, instead they thought of his healing factor.
So, none of those feats are really explainable.

Either Wolverine's past has been ret-conned, or something is wrong here.

Originally posted by capt it up
no his excuses his he immortal his soul is and it will bring him back. maybe his energy that his body gives off reforms it. It quite possible that his soul energy will remake his body just as icemans energy regrowns his. It not a cop-out and it makes senses. why can't his energy remake his body or atleast a little part of it till his healing brings the rest back? His healing is also in his DNA so one cell left will heal his body once the soul starts it up. also how do we know all of his body was gone and not some cells were left?

Originally posted by capt it up
why does there need to be a why? He was always thought to be immortal it finally been proven how he is one. There nothing abd about the writting what people find bad is the fact they do not wish logan to be immortal becuase they feel it will make him harder to beat.

The way I see this is pretty simple. Throughout Wolverine's history, there have been clues about his immortal soul. He is known to have had at least one past life, and, in the Weapon X novel, which claimed to have taken some of their info from Marvel's "secret" Wolverine file, he relives every one of his past lives, in each of which he was a warrior of some sort. The difference between then and now is really quite simple: Now Wolverine's body can repair itself. This means, when he wins his battle in purgatory, instead of having a new body made for him, his old one is simply "re-started," and he heals from there.
For those saying that he healed in no time flat, that's actually dead wrong. He flat out states that it took him 3 hours to regain consciousness, and at that point he still isn't done healing.
Finally, for those wanting a better explanation, all I have to say is, wait. Guggenheim will be back, to explain this whole thing in much more depth. All it takes is patience.

Originally posted by capt it up
more mature that guy been alive for over 100 years were you getting this mroe mature crap.

he makign silly jokes it dumb.

I do not agree.

it may be old but it true

maturity has nothing to do with age. at all.

i dont think his jokes are silly... 😬

I have now saw the ultimate fnaoy. Does this guy have a life apart from a poor written poor drawn character. Logan was cool at first but now you fanboys have orgasoms over him hs shit. Tell me. Is it cooler him going against all the odds and winning.....barely or him going right in and win but also getting blown till theres nothing left. Then come back in a couple of hours. I don't know whats more of a joke. Deadpool being imortal when its meant to be a joke or Wolverine being immortal to an extent but actually being series.

Wolverine is now shit and the fanboys are dumbasses.

My 2 cents.

Originally posted by Accel
Wolverine was never an energy wielder. That's the problem with that. His healing factor doesn't work that way.

Wolverine just being hinted as immortal by a couple of random writers in the past doesn't excuse the fact that this writer had nothign better to explain it with.

Also, what difference would a few cells make? Soul or no soul, Wolverine's healing factor has almost never been portrayed as nearly that effective.

I don't care if you don't like it does that make it any less fact?

Originally posted by pr1983
maturity has nothing to do with age. at all.

i dont think his jokes are silly... 😬

Originally posted by bigbran
So, basically, a healing factor=immortal...😐 [QUOTE=7856991]Originally posted by bigbran
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Originally posted by bigbran
In, my opinion, Deadpool's is more believable, are you saying I shouldn't have an opinion? [B]

When did I say this? Again stop putting words in my mouth.

Originally posted by bigbran
Yes, but if he choses to die, then he dies.
A kill is a kill no matter how you put it. [B]

Originally posted by bigbran
Wolverine can die, do you agree? Maybe not by other means, but he can die, right? [B]

Originally posted by bigbran
When Death choses someone to be immotal, then only she can change that fact.
A little more different.
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As I recall thanos made deapdool immortal not death.

Originally posted by bigbran
A lot of people were said to be immortal. [B]

Really such as who? Also was it stated by a character who was said to know more about that character then the character knew about him self.?

Originally posted by bigbran
I know this. [B]

Originally posted by bigbran
Yes, but by not dying forever, he is staying out of Death's grasp.

Originally posted by bigbran
No, I'm trying to say that Deadpool has a better story of how he was made immortal.
More explanations, less questioning, less controversy.

No you just think there less because you feel some one giving a person immortality makes more sense how ever I disagree.

Originally posted by bigbran
Hmm...

Originally posted by bigbran
Because, it would have went better if you posted the whole thing.

Originally posted by bigbran
It's called a debating forum for a reason, also...

Originally posted by bigbran
So... Thor wiped out the whole populance of heroes that went against him.
Wolverine was only stated, proved to be immortal, about two years after this?
They never thought of this.
They basically ret-conned Wolverine's history.

Originally posted by bigbran
Maestro, you know, the future evil version of Hulk, that his series goes against everything you have said.

Originally posted by bigbran
He sure as hell stayed dead when his skeleton was plastered on Maestro's wall for however many years.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Iceman generates and inhabits bodies made of ambient water - he doesn't really regrow the substance, it's already there. And he's an Omega level energy wielder.
Accel's pretty much explained the reasoning behind why it's poorly contrived etc. I honestly think it's more because you like the character so much that you're willing to easily overlook this. It doesn't really make him any harder to beat.

Genis-Vell died alot. But cake metal goes to jean Grey

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm fairly sure(though I guess I could be wrong since I only read through it once) that Wolverine himself talked about how it got harder. But I'll check again just to be sure.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Actually, when Thor is standing over the body's of Hulk and Thing, HE(Thor) says that they battled him for hours.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yes a mutant that happens top be human with animal like qualities. You know, the senses, the improved physical abilities...oh yeah, and the claws.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Wait, now when was it established before this revelation that he actually died? I thought they always just acted like he healed.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Ok, explain how in your and Marvel's opinion it firs in with the rest of his powers.

Originally posted by darthgoober
But did he actually have the ability to travel to the afterlife with Wolverine? If not.....he didn't know.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Lot's of things are facts in comics that doesn't make them any less bad writing that we all constantly criticize. Spiderman vs Firelord, Punisher taking out Wolverine with a bat to the nuts, the "Clone Saga", Onslaught, Supes....well lots of stuff about Supes. You get the point.

How ever those are no said powers by marvel. They are also no suppose to be origins of a character abilities as well. There really no disputing it. It is now a stated ability from marvel you can hate it all you want won’t it still will be fact.

Originally posted by capt it up
really now? how would you knwo that? he come abck from the dead on 4 occassions at least would you like me to name then for you?

I don't care if you don't like it does that make it any less fact?

Originally posted by capt it up
No I just don't see a problem witha mutant who was thought to be immortal being proven to be immortal. why do u all care so much? It fact deal with it do you think whining about it will change a thing?

Originally posted by capt it up
Go check then .

Originally posted by capt it up Yes that could have been true how ever wolverine was that battle and died about a panel or so before them.[/B]

Originally posted by capt it up Hmm lets see there the time magneto ripped out his skeleton. There’s the time when a death factor killed him. There are 3 other, but those to are off the tope of my head. [/B]

Originally posted by capt it up Lets see marvel just said he was immortal so ya that pretty much proves the marvel side. Logan is a mutant with a healing factor that bring him back form the dead. Healing factor in the soul as well as in his body yup that pretty much sums it up.[/B]

Originally posted by capt it up True how ever one of the times they showed logan die was during the experiment so ya if he saw logan die and come back from the dead he a pretty good source.[/B]

Originally posted by capt it up How ever those are no said powers by marvel. They are also no suppose to be origins of a character abilities as well. There really no disputing it. It is now a stated ability from marvel you can hate it all you want won’t it still will be fact. [/B]

Originally posted by capt it up
Did I say that? Stop putting words in my mouth I never once said that.

Originally posted by capt it up
Yes. Makes perfect example that a person who power was to regenerate was one of the choosen immortals.

Originally posted by capt it up
When did I say this? Again stop putting words in my mouth.

Also, damnit Capt, reading comprehension, right now?

Originally posted by capt it up
So? What does this prove? Still does not change the fact if logan wishes he can remain a live making him immortal.

Originally posted by capt it up
Only if he chooses to or loses in an after life battle.

Originally posted by capt it up
Really now and when has she done this?

As I recall thanos made deapdool immortal not death.

Yes he did, but Deadpool's works like it would if Death cursed him.

Originally posted by capt it up
Really such as who? Also was it stated by a character who was said to know more about that character then the character knew about him self.?

Originally posted by capt it up
Really then why argue it? Not as if any thing u say will change it.

Let me refresh your memory:
You find Wolverine's immortality more believable, I find Deadpool's.

I argue, becuase it makes no sense.

Originally posted by capt it up
Your point?

Originally posted by capt it up
No you just think there less because you feel some one giving a person immortality makes more sense how ever I disagree.

Originally posted by capt it up
So wait you are trying to say I am not allowed my own opinion?

Originally posted by capt it up
How was I suppose to post the whole thor battle when I do not own it?

Also... duh! You never even posted anything!
I was talking about the post, you quoted.

Originally posted by capt it up
True how ever your argueing fact. It a fact he immortal why argue a proven thing?

Do you even know what the argument is about, really?

Let me refresh your memory:
You find Wolverine's immortality more believable, I find Deadpool's.

Originally posted by capt it up
Yes and whats wrong with that?

Originally posted by capt it up
Why does it go against what I have said? Are you even talking about a cannon comic run?

Originally posted by capt it up
Alternate reality.

I give up, I'm going to another thread, or talking about something else. Answer my post if you feel like it, but I'm not going to reply, since as you can see, I've sort of hinted in this post...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I recall Lady D stabbing him in the heart, and the time the Crystal of Ultimate Vision brought him back to life. However none of those past instances have ever suggested a metaphorical battle with his own personal demon.I don't see how it's "whining" to simply state the observation that I think it's relatively ill contrived and nonsensical. I don't particularly have a problem with it, I still find it poor writing. Conversely I think it's relatively whiny to be unable to accept that statement and have to confront everyone of the multiple people who have expressed this opinion.

Originally posted by bigbran
Oh please, you already implied it!

Basically, it makes sense that because he was able to regenerate, that it also makes sense for him to be immortal.

You didn't, but I'm using the same thing you used.
You said, you should have an opinion, I said I should have one.
Your trying to cancel out what I say, by saying, "in my opinion...."

Also, damnit Capt, reading comprehension, right now?

Doesn't he die if he loses in the spirit world?
Also, if Wolverine dies on his own, then that means that he dies, does it not?

So, does this not make him killable?

When she killed some of the Elders...

Yes he did, but Deadpool's works like it would if Death cursed him.

Well Hulk was said to be immortal.
I think Odin was said to be it.
I don't care who said it, the fact is, that it has only been proven now.

Do you even know what the argument is about, really?

Let me refresh your memory:
You find Wolverine's immortality more believable, I find Deadpool's.

I argue, becuase it makes no sense.

I give up, you win. If your not going to even answer my points, or ignore them later, after you want an explanation, then what is the point?

NO SHIT!
Death and the abstracts are the only ones that were supposed to be immortal, now we are supposed to believe that now Wolverine is?
Actually, Wolverine's makes absolutely no sense.
How does a soul become immortal?
The only way he can die, is if he allows it?
So basically, not even Death has a hold of him?

I give up, you win. If your not going to even answer my points, or ignore them later, after you want an explanation, then what is the point?

I give up, you win. If your not going to even answer my points, or ignore them later, after you want an explanation, then what is the point?

Also... duh! You never even posted anything!
I was talking about the post, you quoted.

I give up, you win. If your not going to even answer my points, or ignore them later, after you want an explanation, then what is the point?

Do you even know what the argument is about, really?

Let me refresh your memory:
You find Wolverine's immortality more believable, I find Deadpool's.

The problem is here, is that your trying to explain events in which happened, by using his new found soul immortality.
It can't!
Because it is now ret-conned!
Wolverine has been vamooshed before, but now with the ret-conn, they plan on ignoring it.

No, it only happened in the the Captain Mar-Vell series, and the Hulk series.
Genis had his encounters with it, and it is there.
Wolverine was dead, gone forever, but now with the ret-conn, it makes that non-existing.

No, FUTURE!

I give up, I'm going to another thread, or talking about something else. Answer my post if you feel like it, but I'm not going to reply, since as you can see, I've sort of hinted in this post...

LOL I was gunna say the same thing. I am done argueing this it stupid. were argueing that we both have different opinions on which immortality is more believeable it not like we could actully convince the other.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I did. And you were right it never said that. That's my bad(I don't know where I got that from).

Originally posted by darthgoober
However, that doesn't change the fact that he only has the POTENTIAL for immortality. The first time that guy wins the fight, Wolverine is gone for good(or as gone for good as Marvel allows anyone to be anyway).

True how ever I doubt he will lose. If any thing logan will find away to defeat him for good. Also in the issue it said he was not always there so back before he killed the guy he simply just choose.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Exactly, he died in very early in the battle, and then several hours later Thor was standing over everyone else but Captain America,

Originally posted by darthgoober
and Wolverine NEVER came back. The a day or two later Thor decided to alter the past, and there was still no sign of Wolverine. So I guess that the guy beat him.

Originally posted by darthgoober
He didn't really DIE when Magneto killed him, just nearly.

Originally posted by darthgoober
And I'm not familiar with the death factor one, but I'll give that one to you just because I don't know anything about it. But what are the others?

I look them up when I get home I do not have my comics at school.

Originally posted by darthgoober
It may sum it up, but that doesn't make it make sense.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Ok, what issue was this in(or story arc)? Cause I feel the need to check that one out myself.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Their still facts that most people dislike enough to call them bad writing.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Let me ask you, Punisher took down Wolverine with a bat to the nuts. It's a fact, it happened on panel and it's true.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Do you accept that as a legitimate fact and showing of Punisher's abilities? I'm not denying the fact that Marvel's made Wolverine POTENTIALLY immortal, I'm criticizing it. And I'm doing so because it's bad writing and a BS cop out on their part.