Ironman vs Colossus

Originally posted by Soljer
He can't program his armor to have Captain America's fighting ability. That wasn't what that scene in civil war meant.

He was just mentioning that the armor recorded Captain America's movements - it gave him a pseudo 'pre-cog'.

well either way it can do the same to colosus after a while

Originally posted by Darth Vegas
Yeah, but has Colossus ever been heated up as hot as the temperature in that IM pic?

Originally posted by Scoobless
http://www.unit-conversion.info/temperature.html

10,000 oK = 17540.33 oF

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So the required 9,000 oF = 5255.37 oK

Which is way below 50% power output for that particular armour.

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Only problem is that it is a theory. I'm not saying it's false, but we don't really know if it's true either. It's THEORIZED. We nor Colossus know exactly what his melting temperature is. Until then, it's all assumption.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Alternativley, if Colossus acted quickly, with his level of durability, if Ironman attempts to use that attack, he doesnt even need to dodge until the heat gets pretty high, so he just steps through the beam and deals a metal fist to the head.

Exactly.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Colossus would probably just dodge it........

Oh, you mean the same way that the guy in those panels did?

IM could hover above Colossus, out of his reach, peppering him with repulsor blasts until his armor can generate the required heat for the beam. IM could then nail Colossus with the beam and slowly move in, focusing the beam directly onto Piotr as the temp/heat of the beam increases even more.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I don't know what upper temperature limit Pyro can make his flames. He's shrugged off Havok's plasma.

"Even in a "cold" plasma the electron temperature is still typically several thousand degrees Celsius."

Havok's plasma is likely much hotter.

Originally posted by Darth Vegas
Oh, you mean the same way that the guy in those panels did?

IM could hover above Colossus, out of his reach, peppering him with repulsor blasts until his armor can generate the required heat for the beam. IM could then nail Colossus with the beam and slowly move in, focusing the beam directly onto Piotr as the temp/heat of the beam increases even more.

Iron-man is restricted to the ground for this fight.

Yay for literacy and reading comprehension.

Originally posted by Soljer
"Even in a "cold" plasma the electron temperature is still typically several thousand degrees Celsius."

Havok's plasma is likely much hotter.

Originally posted by Soljer
Iron-man is restricted to the ground for this fight.

Yay for literacy and reading comprehension.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Plasma temperatures are typically measured in electronvolts if I recall. 1eV = 11,000 K.And has no enhanced speed, which would technically make Colossus faster than him.

Originally posted by Badabing
Doesn't Iron Man's armor now grant him superhuman reflexes. I'm not up to date on his abilities. 😕

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
His speeds have been restricted though, reacting to a bullet is a bit redundant if you can't move out of the way.

Originally posted by Soljer
Iron-man is restricted to the ground for this fight.

Yay for literacy and reading comprehension.

In actuality, the real idiocy is taking away particular powers that are intrinsic to a character and pitting said character up against a foe who has all of his normal capabilities/powers.

No flight capability?
No magnetic powers or sonic attacks?
No Extremis-enhanced speed?

That's like saying pitting Superman up against Darkseid, but with the stipulation that Supes can't fly, use his superspeed, or his heat vision.

Put it this way, if you have to blatantly handicap a character and take away some of his powers just to make it a level playing field or make it more "fair", I think its pretty obvious who the more powerful character really is.

I'm just saying.

It's just pre-Extremis Iron Man vs Colossus H2H, no flight, energy attacks allowed, it's not that big a stretch. Iron Man is more versatile and in that regard consequently more powerful than Colossus; is it statement of the obvious day?

Originally posted by Darth Vegas
In actuality, the real idiocy is taking away particular powers that are intrinsic to a character and pitting said character up against a foe who has all of his normal capabilities/powers.

No flight capability?
No magnetic powers or sonic attacks?
No Extremis-enhanced speed?

That's like saying pitting Superman up against Darkseid, but with the stipulation that Supes can't fly, use his superspeed, or his heat vision.

Put it this way, if you have to blatantly handicap a character and take away some of his powers just to make it a level playing field or make it more "fair", I think its pretty obvious who the more powerful character really is.

I'm just saying.

I don't think anyone here is actually arguing that Iron Man is not more powerful than Colossus. Cuz that's pretty obvious. While Colosuss is stronger than Iron Man, Tony is more powerful all around.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It's just pre-Extremis Iron Man vs Colossus H2H, no flight, energy attacks allowed, it's not that big a stretch.

Not that big of a stretch? Umm, yeah it is.

So basically, it's Tony in a suit whose only real offensive capability is enhanced strength? Up against someone of the likes of Colossus, Tony might as well just be wearing standard issue Guardsman armor or even the Beetle's armor (both sans flight capability).

Hell, you might as well have Tony in nothing but his boxers take on Colossus.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I don't think anyone here is actually arguing that Iron Man is not more powerful than Colossus. Cuz that's pretty obvious. While Colosuss is stronger than Iron Man, Tony is more powerful all around.

Agreed.

However, at the same time, we don't know the true extent of Colossus's durability. For all we know, Iron Man's energy attacks may do no harm to Colossus at all. We can only assume, since they've never fought straight up.

Originally posted by Darth Vegas
Not that big of a stretch? Umm, yeah it is.

So basically, it's Tony in a suit whose only real offensive capability is enhanced strength? Up against someone of the likes of Colossus, Tony might as well just be wearing standard issue Guardsman armor or even the Beetle's armor (both sans flight capability).

Hell, you might as well have Tony in nothing but his boxers take on Colossus.

Agreed.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Only problem is that it is a theory. I'm not saying it's false, but we don't really know if it's true either. It's THEORIZED. We nor Colossus know exactly what his melting temperature is. Until then, it's all assumption.

Colossus has been melted before by things that aren't as hot as Iron Man's chest beam - such as Pete Wisdom's "hot knives".

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
That wasn't the initial blast, he had to stand close, stand still and power up. Besides it couldn't melt Graviton it's not melting Colossus.

Graviton is one of the most powerful beings on the planet, he has force fields and can make his body as dense as he wants.... Colossus has nothing on Graviton.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
In terms of overall power definitely. But afaik not with regard to his resistance to heat.

Graviton has been to the sun before.

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Meh my knowledge of Graviton is limited. Which is why I put "afaik". If he has been to the sun I don't see why 10,000 K would hurt him. Interesting...

I do however have Excalibur. I don't recall Pete Wisdom's hot knives melting Colossus. I recall Wisdom placing one over Colossus eyes, and it hurting him after Colossus became jealous of Wisdom making moves on Kitty. But his face maintained structural integrity. And considering the hot knives are supposed to be "surface of the sun" i.e. around 5,500 K according to the link you posted, that kind of dispels the whole 9,000 F melting thing. Iron Man is welcome to try placing his chest right next to Colossus' face.