Ironman vs Colossus

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Meh my knowledge of Graviton is limited. Which is why I put "afaik". If he has been to the sun I don't see why 10,000 K would hurt him. Interesting...

Well, the surface temp of the sun is only around 6,000 K.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I do however have Excalibur. I don't recall Pete Wisdom's hot knives melting Colossus. I recall Wisdom placing one over Colossus eyes, and it hurting him after Colossus became jealous of Wisdom making moves on Kitty. But his face maintained structural integrity. And considering the hot knives are supposed to be "surface of the sun" i.e. around 5,500 K according to the link you posted, that kind of dispels the whole 9,000 F melting thing. Iron Man is welcome to try placing his chest right next to Colossus' face.

9,000 F = 5255.37 K

Pete melted Colossus's back years ago when they got into a fight over Kitty... Colossus punched him, breaking most of his ribs, then Wisdom hit him in the back and melted a large chunk of him.... it was later repaired by Moira McTaggart.
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Wisdom can obviously alter the temp of his knives though ... so there's no telling what their temp was when placed on Colossus' face.

Actually I checked the issue. Wisdom fires a concentrated blast from all of his fingers aimed directly at Colossus' lower spine when Colossus attention was on Kitty which manages to blast off some organic metal muscle and damage the spine, then Meggan and Captain Britain knock him out together. Wisdom's knives are pure thermal energy however, the heat doesn't dissipate like that of a blast.

Question: when Graviton takes a moonlit stroll along the photosphere does he incur any damage?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Meh my knowledge of Graviton is limited. Which is why I put "afaik". If he has been to the sun I don't see why 10,000 K would hurt him. Interesting...

I do however have Excalibur. I don't recall Pete Wisdom's hot knives melting Colossus. I recall Wisdom placing one over Colossus eyes, and it hurting him after Colossus became jealous of Wisdom making moves on Kitty. But his face maintained structural integrity. And considering the hot knives are supposed to be "surface of the sun" i.e. around 5,500 K according to the link you posted, that kind of dispels the whole 9,000 F melting thing. Iron Man is welcome to try placing his chest right next to Colossus' face.

Yea, that's what I thought, too, about Wisdom's hot knives. I don't recall them ever actually melting Colossus either.

And I would love ot see Iron Man place his chest right next to Colossus's face. They'd have to start calling him the "Iron Lung Man".

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Yea, that's what I thought, too, about Wisdom's hot knives. I don't recall them ever actually melting Colossus either.

And I would love ot see Iron Man place his chest right next to Colossus's face. They'd have to start calling him the "Iron Lung Man".

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
NB Wisdom did cause small (in size) but relatively major damage to Colossus lower back. See above for more info. But I don't see that as a viable tactic when Colossus has his attention on the opponent and also with a wide field blast from a distance where heat dissipates more readily.

Exactly. I knew where you were going with that. I'm in full agreement.

Graviton was also "at a distance" ... but the temp Graviton reached was double Pete Wisdom's best and still rising.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Colossus has been melted before by things that aren't as hot as Iron Man's chest beam - such as Pete Wisdom's "hot knives".

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/ColossusandWisdom3.jpg

And you keep using the handbooks as a peak melting point for Colossus but your using feats for IM from a comic. But, according to the handbooks Colossus is Class 100 and IM is Class 90.

IM wins this fight due to his versatility but if he tries to fight close range he'll be in for a fight.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Graviton was also "at a distance" ... but the temp Graviton reached was double Pete Wisdom's best and still rising.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/ColossusandWisdom3.jpg

Hyperbole vs

http://img453.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img014xm9.jpg

actual given temperature.

Hmmm. I wonder which one is more accurate.

I used the quotes from Marvel.com because the only time I've ever seen Colossus get melted was in that one comic against Pete Wisdom (and I don't have it to scan)

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/ColossusandWisdom3.jpg

Hyperbole vs

http://img453.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img014xm9.jpg

actual given temperature.

Hmmm. I wonder which one is more accurate.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
And you keep using the handbooks as a peak melting point for Colossus but your using feats for IM from a comic.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Narration is considered hyperbole? I wasn't aware.

Some is, some isn't. Given temperature gives a better idea of what's going on.

Or do you want to say that Pete Wisdom had the sun in his hand?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The handbook does not state 9000 deg F as a melting point per se.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Some is, some isn't. Given temperature gives a better idea of what's going on.

Or do you want to say that Pete Wisdom had the sun in his hand?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Wisdom's hot knives are pure thermal energy oft stated as generally being as hot as the surface of the sun iirc. However he can alter this, and the maximum temperature attainable hasn't been indicated.

Going by a general statement doesn't mean much. General statement can be seen as hyperbole as well. The Sentry doesn't have the power of a bunch of exploding suns, but that's the description.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Going by a general statement doesn't mean much. General statement can be seen as hyperbole as well. The Sentry doesn't have the power of a bunch of exploding suns, but that's the description.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
So with no indication of temperature one cannot accept Wisdom's knives on Colossus' face? Then by corollary, one also cannot admit Wisdom's knives managing to damage Colossus back into the debate. We don't know how hot they are.

No. Without knowledge of temperature you don't know how hot they really are. That's just about it.

Yes but with reasonable certainty we can say that the surface of the sun is a high spot for his temperatures so for the discussion here we could go with that and not feel guilty at all!

Originally posted by Soleran
Yes but with reasonable certainty we can say that the surface of the sun is a high spot for his temperatures so for the discussion here we could go with that and not feel guilty at all!