HULK vs X-Men

Originally posted by ThePittman
Then how does Bobby get knocked out all the time, how does telepaths attack his mind? Can you answer those questions?

As I said Hulk has a slim change of killing Bobby, if he doesn’t disperses himself that leaves him open for attack and Bobby CAN NOT kill the Hulk, the best that he can do is to put him into stasis and then only for a short time.

the "mind" is separate from the body and brain. bobby doesnt need a body to exist anymore, but he does have a "mind" for telepaths to attack.

Bobby's been knocked out plenty of times, most of these before he learned to transform into the organic ice form. for most of his career, he was just a guy in an ice "suit." big difference.

How is hulk going to survive being totally frozen solid, then pounded to dust by (xxxx)ton blocks of ice?

From what I read of the scan it said the “fluid” was at the -250, at that anything would have started to freeze and he didn’t. It didn’t crack his skin when he moved or cause any ill effects at all.

that scan had hulk totally paralyzed at -250. Hulk only got free when the tank broke. Bobby can hit temperatures nearly twice as cold at -457

hulk is screwed.

Originally posted by ThePittman
Then how does Bobby get knocked out all the time, how does telepaths attack his mind? Can you answer those questions?

As I said Hulk has a slim change of killing Bobby, if he doesn’t disperses himself that leaves him open for attack and Bobby CAN NOT kill the Hulk, the best that he can do is to put him into stasis and then only for a short time.

At his best, Bobby can't be knocked out, I'm not exactly sure to which instances you are referring to right this moment.

Furthermore, there is evidence that while in his ice/vapor/everything form, psychics CAN'T locate him. Jean Grey, whom most would consider pretty powerful, wasn't aware of his presence. Neither were sentinels who failed to detect ANY signs of mutant activity.

Bobby has also, subconsciously, instinctively, or elsewise managed to transform himself into Ice AFTER his human form was obliterated. If I recall correctly, he was actually blown up once in Human form, only to have survived in ice form.

Go figure.

And how do you figure that Bobby can't kill the hulk? He can change every molecule in the Hulk's body to water via Moisture inversion, and then BFR him at the least. Or he could not only FREEZE every molecule in the hulk's body, but actually STOP MOLECULAR motion.

Think "Flash stealing kinetic energy" but on a whole different level.

Failing THAT, he could always just freeze the hulk, shatter him, and THEN BFR the little Hulk pieces.

Thus far, you haven't really provided any proof to dispute any of these avenues to victory, while it is apparent that Bobby, at the best of his abilities, will be totally immune to anything the Hulk can dish out.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
the "mind" is separate from the body and brain. bobby doesnt need a body to exist anymore, but he does have a "mind" for telepaths to attack.

Bobby's been knocked out plenty of times, most of these before he learned to transform into the organic ice form. for most of his career, he was just a guy in an ice "suit." big difference.

How is hulk going to survive being totally frozen solid, then pounded to dust by (xxxx)ton blocks of ice?

that scan had hulk totally paralyzed at -250. Hulk only got free when the tank broke. Bobby can hit temperatures nearly twice as cold at [B]-457

hulk is screwed. [/B]

And he can hit them nearly INSTANTLY.

Beyond that, he can freeze every molecule in a CELESTIAL ship - and the Stranger - and friggin HEAT BEAMS along with it.

The Hulk isn't resisting cold like that.

Originally posted by bigbran
Like how Apocalypse would do so?

Iceman would get raped against him.

Oh, ya, Iceman, Phoenix, and Juggernaut defeated Stranger.
I'm sure Surfer hasn't did this numerous times, alone...

Am, Iceman is omega mutant, with full potential, Iceman should crush Silver Surfer easily, he isn't called omega mutant for nothing.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Am, Iceman is omega mutant, with full potential, Iceman should crush Silver Surfer easily, he isn't called omega mutant for nothing.

Even Iceman at full potential isn't much to the Surfer.

😬.

I mean, the Surfer could, literally, change every water molecule on a planet to iron in a single nanosecond.

How will Iceman's consciousness respond? 😬.

Originally posted by Soljer
Even Iceman at full potential isn't much to the Surfer.

😬.

I mean, the Surfer could, literally, change every water molecule on a planet to iron in a single nanosecond.

How will Iceman's consciousness respond? 😬.

QFT. Surfer isn't human and may not even have moisture to manipulate. he's on a totally different level.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Am, Iceman is omega mutant, with full potential, Iceman should crush Silver Surfer easily, he isn't called omega mutant for nothing.

O RLY?

Let's see what an Omega did to Gladiator?

http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1uh8.jpg

As I said a very slim chance, this depends on how Bobby fights and what his first attack is and Hulk fighting at his best. Hulks regeneration has never been fully tested like his strength and depending on the source you read comes from another dimension the same with his strength so it is very possible that he is capable to regenerate from being crushed and he is also barely human so he may not even need moister in his body.

A couple other things to look at, is that this is a fight with the X-Men and bloodlust is not on and Bobby wouldn’t go for the kill right off the bat. Now granted he is an Omega level mutant but in many ways the Hulk is too.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
O RLY?

Let's see what an Omega did to Gladiator?

http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1uh8.jpg

WOW. that's the most totally irrelevant scan ever. That's neither hulk, nor iceman, so I don't know what you're trying to prove there.

All omegas aren't equal, and gladiator has gotten owned by CANNONBALL.

thank you, come again.

As I said a very slim chance, this depends on how Bobby fights and what his first attack is and Hulk fighting at his best. Hulks regeneration has never been fully tested like his strength and depending on the source you read comes from another dimension the same with his strength so it is very possible that he is capable to regenerate from being crushed and he is also barely human so he may not even need moister in his body.

He's iceman. his first attack is going to be...wait for it...FREEZING THE TARGET. Hulk has already been shown to be totally paralyzed at half of what bobby's capable of.

Bloodlust is irrelevant, as iceman can easily stop him at -250 or so without killing him- hulk's regeneration didn't help a bit against being frozen.

Hulk coming back from being smashed into a billion pieces is beyond pure speculation, it's BS on your part.

Face it, extreme cold stops the hulk.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
WOW. that's the most totally irrelevant scan ever. That's neither hulk, nor iceman, so I don't know what you're trying to prove there.

All omegas aren't equal, and gladiator has gotten owned by CANNONBALL.

thank you, come again.

He's iceman. his first attack is going to be...wait for it...FREEZING THE TARGET. Hulk has already been shown to be totally paralyzed at half of what bobby's capable of.

Bloodlust is irrelevant, as iceman can easily stop him at -250 or so without killing him- hulk's regeneration didn't help a bit against being frozen.

Hulk coming back from being smashed into a billion pieces is beyond pure speculation, it's BS on your part.

Face it, extreme cold stops the hulk.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
O RLY?

Let's see what an Omega did to Gladiator?

http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1uh8.jpg

Vulcan is not close experienced with his powers, and nowhere near to his potential. When he will reach it, Gladiator will be no match for him.

We have to see more feats about Iceman. In the end, probably all omega mutants to reach full potenial will go easily beyond level of Silver Surfer (like Phoenix, Richards, Hyperstorm (maybe not omega, probably should be, but definetely much above SS), Rachel, Wanda, probably Vulcan soon, probably Iceman soon).

Originally posted by Xplosive
Vulcan is not close experienced with his powers, and nowhere near to his potential. When he will reach it, Gladiator will be no match for him.

We have to see more feats about Iceman. In the end, probably all omega mutants to reach full potenial will go easily beyond level of Silver Surfer (like Phoenix, Richards, Hyperstorm (maybe not omega, probably should be, but definetely much above SS), Rachel, Wanda, probably Vulcan soon, probably Iceman soon).

😆

No

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
😆

No

Literally what is so funny. All I mentioned are acutlly far and far beyond Silver Surfer.
I forgot also Kid Omega whose potential goes far beyond Silver Surfer powers.

Originally posted by ThePittman
And he is only 15 years old 😉

this statement confuses me.... 😕

Originally posted by Space M ummy
this statement confuses me.... 😕

Originally posted by Soljer
And how do you figure that Bobby can't kill the hulk? He can change every molecule in the Hulk's body to water via Moisture inversion, and then BFR him at the least.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
He's iceman. his first attack is going to be...wait for it...FREEZING THE TARGET. Hulk has already been shown to be totally paralyzed at half of what bobby's capable of.

Bloodlust is irrelevant, as iceman can easily stop him at -250 or so without killing him- hulk's regeneration didn't help a bit against being frozen.

Hulk coming back from being smashed into a billion pieces is beyond pure speculation, it's BS on your part.

Face it, extreme cold stops the hulk.

Hulk survives extreme heat, cold, vacuum of space, black holes and many more. At -250 isn’t going to do squat to the Hulk and not going to be able to smash him into a million pieces, plus if you freeze something doesn’t always make it so it can be smashed into a million pieces and can make it even harder. When Hulk was frozen in the block of ice it was only a matter of seconds before he broke free. His regeneration abilities have never been tested and if he can regenerate from bone, it is not a major leap in logic that he can go farther than that.

Considering Hulk's body has resisted being turned into stone and glass during two different occasions, it's not too much of a stretch to say he could resist being completely frozen.

Hulk survives extreme heat, cold, vacuum of space, black holes and many more. At -250 isn’t going to do squat to the Hulk and not going to be able to smash him into a million pieces, plus if you freeze something doesn’t always make it so it can be smashed into a million pieces and can make it even harder.

I'll reply to both of these at once. there's already a scan of the hulk being paralyzed by cold and kept in a tank at -250, earlier in the thread.
Hulk being vulnerable to that level of cold isn't really debatable, and bobby's limit isn't -250, it's -457: Absolute Zero.

Xmen #2 had bobby generating absolute zero temperatures to gain entry to avalon- per the writer at that temperature even titanium becomes as brittle as glass- smashing the frozen hull gained them entry into avalon where they took on magneto.

So yeah- Freezing + Smashing hulk would be a highly effective strategy.

If the object is ridged such as steel, titanium or other metals they are much more likely to shattering when frozen but something that is more flexible such as skin is not because of the way the atoms are aligned. Also Bobby would have to keep him at absolute zero to keep him from heating up because it would instantly start to melt and I can’t see him doing both tasks at once.

Originally posted by ThePittman
If the object is ridged such as steel, titanium or other metals they are much more likely to shattering when frozen but something that is more flexible such as skin is not because of the way the atoms are aligned. Also Bobby would have to keep him at absolute zero to keep him from heating up because it would instantly start to melt and I can’t see him doing both tasks at once.

Now THERE's some BS. go stick a piece of meat in some liquid nitro. Take it out when it's frozen and take a hammer to it. Flesh shatters when frozen just like everything else. Don't believe me? Try it yourself. We used to do stuff like this in physics class all the time. Rubber? Shatters. Flesh? Shatters. plastic? Shatters.

Metal is actually LESS vulnerable to this than something soft like skin or flesh.

edit: I found something that might interest you:

An ecological funeral, also known as promession, is a method for allowing the body of the deceased to decompose in an environmentally-friendly way. It was invented and patented in 1999 by the Swedish biologist Susanne Wiigh-Mäsak.

The following three steps characterize the method:

1. Reducing the body of the deceased to a fine powder, thereby allowing later decomposition to be aerobic. This is achieved by submerging the body in liquid nitrogen, which makes the remains so brittle that it shatters as the result of a slight vibration. The remains are then dried, reducing them to around 30% of the original body weight.

liquid nitrogen is only -320 F, by the way. Far above Absolute Zero.

"the way the atoms are aligned!" is complete BS.

Omega level bobby froze an entire celestial ship INCLUDING the stranger. Just keeping hulk cold isn't much of a feat.

and don't forget, the rest of the Xmen are just hanging out, waiting for a nice, still, frozen target to take shots at.

Want to take a guess as to how strong a full power optic blast is?