Marvel Universe: THE END Discussion Thread

Seems like a lot of the last few pages is turning into pointless posturing, and veiled bashing in the form of conspicuous sarcasm and smilies. I never have a problem closing cosmic threads that turn sour (it seems too many end like that). So keep it civil and rational....and that goes for everyone.

Originally posted by Galan007
Not at all "dogs".

But you see things on panel the way you want to, and as far as you're concerned, there is no other possibilities.

You presented your case and I debated back as to why I disagree.

That's intransigence?

Well excuse me for having a contrary opinion.

Originally posted by Galan007
And if someone debates this..... Well that's when "the ego" gets involved, and things get nasty/childish (with the name-calling and such).

Again,

get this bull shit out of here DOGS!

You posted this gibberish, cause you can't argue my point any further:

Originally posted by Galan007
Hmm,

Seems like scans are being interpreted how you think they should be.

Yet, I'm the one with the "ego?"

You think because you use sugary terms to cloak an insult,

that it's any less insulting than a straight up dis?

❌

As of late I seen your "Ego" on the rise.

Originally posted by Galan007
But like I said, I'll let anyone still viewing this thread chose their own view.

Right.

And disagreeing with you leads to,

"Seems like scans are being interpreted how you think they should be"

Not correctly like Sir Galan.

Originally posted by Galan007
I just see this thread getting loony if more people go against your word.

Galan, you're really pissing me off with your strange behavior, I been a cool friend to you, in threads and in PMs ...

I don't know what your itch is, but let's end it before it gets ugly.

good idea. don't get my what up til now has been a GREAT thread, closed . . .

Originally posted by leonidas
that's force feeding a story to suit your interpretation. you're looking for an exact phrase when the artwork and LT's intentions made everything quite clear, imo.

Whatever,

if you can't show me LT commanding Anomaly you got nothing.

Originally posted by Mr Master
After LT is way OUT of the picture, pages later guess what?

Anomaly attacks Quasar again

Anomaly just popped up again, WHY?

Because Quasar was going to interrupt an M-body in the D of M.

Again,

Anomaly is some sort of Guardian within the D of M.

whistling

Originally posted by leonidas
even allowing for your 'guardian' theory, if a guardian, WHAT was anomaly guarding? reflections?

Not just the Fractals making up the Past Reflections, but more importantly the proceedings.

Apparently Anomaly pops up when Physicals interfere with M-bodies in the D of M.

The M-bodies have a job to do, and evidently although they are meaningless PAST events that took place YEARS ago, it is their purpose.

"These M-bodies have Strict Standards of Protocol"

Originally posted by leonidas
and WHY?

Was just explained.

Originally posted by leonidas
as if quasar could actually pose a THREAT to those beings.

It's not about being a threat, it's simply about Quasar being there.

Originally posted by leonidas
sorry, mm, not buying.

I wasn't actually trying to make you buy anything friend, I was debating with another.

ill12 bought it, that's enough for me.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Don't forget, Abstracts are concepts. The M-body's are simply these concepts taking on a tangible form so that they can interact on the physical plane. The reason why Eternity can enter the universe and walk around in an M-body within, well, "himself", is because he's not the actual physical universe he's the embodiment of the concept of infinite universal time/existence, taking on a physical form within an M-Body. For a layman's analogy (and for Matrix fans), the M-body's are equivalent to the representations Neo, Morpheus, etc. take on when they were "jacked in" to the Matrix, just as when the Abstracts "jack in" to the physical plane. While on the physical plane the Abstracts, while very powerful, are still subject to some of the physical laws. They can break and control some of the rules on this plane, but, when confronted with a powerful enough advesary/power that can override their position, they can fall victim while in physical form. Like in the Matrix (and I'm sorry for using the film as an analogy, but it seems like the easiest, most logical comparison that all onlookers could relate to), the sentience of a person who is 'jacked in' to the physical plane can be terminated or usurped via the connection from within the program (like Barnes in Reloaded and Revolutions when Smith overwrote his body and took control of him in the real world, or like when anyone within the Matrix dies in the program and by extension dies in the real world). I believe, like in the Matrix, that the Abstracts connection to the physical plane works both ways. They can interact on the physical plane by taking on an m-body, but in so doing they make themselves subject to some of the vulnerabilities of being corporeal.

So, to this point,

Mr. Master actually does have logic behind his view,

and I have to say I side with him.

Originally posted by leonidas
regardless if you believe LT brought anomaly into the picture or not, are you going to claim that LT wasn't even SPEAKING to quasar? the fact that he did shows an interaction -- no anomaly needed.

Already addressed.

Originally posted by Mr Master
M-bodys are Living Fractals

The Past Reflection are Living Fractals

This is why they are able to interact with Quasar/Physicals.

This why Contemplator NOT Anthro called them "M-bodies" ... because those Fractals have a purpose, to re-enact Past Events as the actual M-bodies that were truly there.

They are only Past Reflections because they are NOT the Actual Beings that were there, just Fractals "dressed up" sort of speak to carry on a play.

"These M-bodies have Strict Standards of Protocol"

It's in their purpose of existence to do this apparently.

If they were the real Beings,

Warlock would still have his Infinity Gauntlet, and you know that's impossible.

Originally posted by Mr Master
of course, that is EXACTLY what they are -- it's all they ever were -- fractal creations. but again, even allowing for that, in this case that 'past fractal/reflection' spoke to CURRENT quasar.

I understand that.

And like I said like Three times already,

The Past Reflections are M-bodies made up of Fractals to accurately portray events that took place in the Past.

Since Fractals are ALIVE, they can interact.

If they were the real Beings, Warlock would still have the INFINITY GAUNTLET.

Originally posted by Mr Master
You presented your case and I debated back as to why I disagree.

That's intransigence?

Well excuse me for having a contrary opinion.

Again,

get this bull out of here DOGS!

You posted this gibberish, cause you can't argue my point any further:

Yet, I'm the one with the "ego?"

You think because you use sugary terms to cloak an insult,

that it's any less insulting than a straight up dis?

Right.

And disagreeing with you leads to,

"Seems like scans are being interpreted how you think they should be"

Not correctly like Sir Galan.

Galan, you're really pissing me off with your strange behavior, I been a cool friend to you, in threads and in PMs ...

I don't know what your itch is, but let's end it before it gets ugly.

You stated you're opinion, and I stated mine.... Nothing more, nothing less.

I'm trying to drop this civilly, so this thread can stay on topic, but you keep throwing out messages like this. 😕

It's just a comic forum friend, no need to get so worked up. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
Just chill out man. 😎

Originally posted by Mr Master
If they were the real Beings, Warlock would still have the INFINITY GAUNTLET.

i didn't see aw interact. i saw lt do it.

Originally posted by Galan007
You stated you're opinion, and I stated mine.

I'm trying to drop this civilly, so this thread can stay on topic, but you keep throwing out messages like this.

Galan, this is called being condescending.

You're trying to make it appear as though you're an angel, and I'm the one starting the beef.

But you know darn well you threw the first punch with:

"Seems like scans are being interpreted how you think they should be"

(implying your interpretation is right, and mine is wrong)

Of course now you ignore that, and come out on some divine tip,

slick to say the least. 😉

Originally posted by Galan007
It's just a comic forum friend, no need to get so worked up. 🙂

Forgive me if I don't lick my wounds.

But I'm not going to allow myself to be insulted regardless of where I'm at. 😄

Originally posted by leonidas
i didn't see aw interact. i saw lt do it.

That's fine.

That's an M-body made up of Fractals just to replay the meaningless event over and over again.

It's still just a Past Reflection.

IMO, they can all interact, because they are all Living Fractals,

but NOT the actual real being they are representing.

Originally posted by Mr Master
But you know darn well you threw the first punch with:

"Seems like scans are being interpreted how you think they should be"

(implying your interpretation is right, and mine is wrong)

I just said you seemed to only be interpreting the panel(s) how you wanted to see them..... And anyone else's interpretations are automatically wrong.

It wasn't an insult.

But I am sorry that you interpreted it that way. 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
Forgive me if I don't lick my wounds.

But I'm not going to allow myself to be insulted regardless of where I'm at. 😄

Well, to each his own.

Now can we please get back on topic?

This a good thread, and I really don't want it to get closed. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
I never said my interpretation was right, or that yours was wrong.

I just said you seemed to only be interpreting the panel(s) how you wanted to see them..... And anyone else's interpretations are automatically wrong.

Actually you are saying you're right and I'm wrong,
(perhaps you didn't mean it that way)

If I disagree with your interpretation (I'm seeing it the way I wanna see them)

If I agree with your interpretation (I'm seeing it the way I should)

Am I wrong?

If I disagree with your opinion, and I have proof as to why, I have to say it while presenting my evidence.

If I didn't respect your interpretation, I would have ignored it or laughed it off.

Since you presented comprehensible opinions, I discussed the reasons for my disagreement.

Yesterday we were debating Mxy,

you presented a claim and proof and what did I do?

I Agreed, because there was no debating your claim.

Originally posted by Galan007
But I am sorry that you interpreted it that way. 🙂

It's more upsetting coming from you than another.

Because I hold you in high regards concerning true debaters.

Originally posted by Galan007
Even though you're chatting online, and have no physical interaction with the people you're talking to whatsoever?

Well, to each his own.

I prefer to just add them to my ignore list,

like I did with Two others, (at some point they give up)

but this is a special case, MONTHS of trolling takes it's toll.

Originally posted by Galan007
Now can we please get back on topic?
This a good thread, and I really don't want it to get closed.

That'd be nice, I agree.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That'd be nice, I agree.

And thanks for the few compliments thrown in too. 😄

Back on topic:

Based on panel evidence, LT uses M-Bodies IMO.

😛

Originally posted by Galan007
Based on panel evidence, LT uses M-Bodies IMO. 😛

As you wish.

I won't debate this any longer.

Enough info has been pumped into this thread,

Nothing left to say. shrug

Oh screw it ...

There is only one Living Tribunal according to Marvel the Company

(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook 2006)

On Panel verification

This representation of LT is an M-body made up of Living Fractals, it can act independently without the actual Sentience or Life-Force of the Concept or Being it appears to be:

"Begone Physicals"

Here the Fractals again refer to Quasar and Contemplator as "Physicals"

"Greetings Physicals"

"an exchange of energies you Physicals would not comprehend"

Have you ever heard LT refer to someone as "Physicals?"

NO.

Have you ever heard Anthropomorpho refer to someone as "Physicals?"

TWICE.

Can it be that those Past Reflections are but Fractals, that remain as those M-bodys in order to REPLAY the meaningless PAST over and over again?

Or does Warlock really still have the Infinity Gauntlet? hm

I would say so after all,

(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook 2006)

"Events which occur within the Dimension of Manifestations remain Represented there,

as the Realm exists Outside of normal time, this enables visitors to witness Past Events"

It's not just an Official Marvel established fact,

Here's Anthropomorpho himself saying it.

"Our Dimension contains Reflections of Every Manifestation we have ever done"

Quasar even asks,

"Could you Point us to a RECENT One"

LT never summoned Anomaly.

Anomaly manifests within the D of M when a Physical interrupts these senseless repetitions of events that took place in the PAST, even like 22 Years ago in Secret Wars II 😆

Everytime I think of that it cracks me up.

Anomaly just popped up again, WHY? (without the LT in the picture)

Because Quasar was going to interrupt an M-body in the D of M.

Again,

Anomaly is some sort of Guardian within the D of M.

This thead kicks ass, minus the war taking place on the side.
I went through all the posts in this thread, mr master and leonidas seem to bear the bulk of the debate. I read most of the posts before, I commented here and there but you guys are determined to prove yourselves right. My opinion after all stands as is, I agree with mr master on the mbody debate, there's no question on that side. I don't know who is right on the thanos and universe or multiverse debate. My position has swayed from time to time, mr master had me convinced then leonidas turned the tables then mr master came back and leonidas returned crazy I don't know.

mr master don't let others get to you, if an individual is really chasing you around the forum that just goes to show where their priorities are, and that alone should make you feel better.

Nice job you two. thumbup

This representation of LT is an M-body made up of Living Fractals,

why would he be? he doesn't USE mbodies according to you. warlock was physical as well. since neither uses mbodies, the fractals wouldn't have known they were present. why would they be represented in the dimension of m when neither ever used an mbody? 😕

he says physicals because he's an abstract who uses mbodies -- he represents multiversal balance.

seems simple to me. 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
Galan, this is called being condescending.

You're trying to make it appear as though you're an angel, and I'm the one starting the beef.

But you know darn well you threw the first punch with:

"Seems like scans are being interpreted how you think they should be"

(implying your interpretation is right, and mine is wrong)

No, it means he has an opinion that differs from yours, but he doesn't feel the need to state them as objective facts, which you're language seems to sometime imply. Yet at NO point has he ever felt the need to be as crude and as patronising as you have been. Although I'll be the first to admit you justify you're perspective really well, with a lot of evidence, U seriously are a CRAP debtor as you feel the need to start 'throwing punches' when ever any one contradicts you !!!!!!

Originally posted by Mr Master
Of course now you ignore that, and come out on some divine tip,

slick to say the least. 😉

😄

No he stating that he disagrees, with you and he's trying to ignore you're patronising crap because he is you're mate. 🙂

Its not slick, its referred to as social skills, something you lack in large amounts. I don't mind insulting you because I don't really like you, where as Galan is just trying to be civil. 🙂

Anomaly just popped up again, WHY? (without the LT in the picture)

Because Quasar was going to interrupt an M-body in the D of M.

Again,

Anomaly is some sort of Guardian within the D of M.

ok i am being civil and polite
why not say in your opinon as to why anomaly comes back?
when in the comic ANOMALY ANSWERS QUASAR

Quasar issue# 37 Page 27 Quasar is under attack AGAIN by Anomaly

QUASAR: hey Nomy,what'd i do this time?

ANOMALY: I HAVE LEARNED THAT YOU ONCE INVOKED MY ATTRIBUTES WITHOUT PERMISSION

i am just pointing out the answer is there,so why are you changing the answer that allready has been answered?
and why you do you make it seem like a law,that your word is better than anybody else,just say in my(your) opinon

I am not here to insult or to be disrespectfull,i am here to just to add my view of the issue,but its these situations that amaze me

Originally posted by leonidas
why would he be? he doesn't USE mbodies according to you.

The real LT does not,

this Past Reflection, which is Not the real LT is an M-body, for the single purpose of replaying these meaningless events that have already taken place in the Past.

Why would the Real LT be presiding over Ghosts?

If that event already happened in the Past, then obviously those can't be the actual Concepts or individuals in the Present.

OR is Pre-retcon Beyonder still around?

And is Warlock still wielding the Infinity Gauntlet?

See that doesn't really make sense IMO brother Leon.

Originally posted by leonidas
warlock was physical as well.

So you believe that was the real Physical Warlock?

So then you must believe he still has the Infinity Gauntlet.

I have to disagree with you then.

Originally posted by leonidas
since neither uses mbodies, the fractals wouldn't have known they were present. why would they be represented in the dimension of m when neither ever used an mbody?

Like I said,

the only way to make sense out of LT presiding over a Trial with Warlock & the Infinity Gauntlet that took place in another Comic Book Months before Quasar #37,

and Years before Quasar #37 concerning pre-retcon Beyonder,

is that it's just Past Reflections presented as M-bodies made up of Living Fractals representing or Re-enacting (a more accurate term) events that have taken place in the D of M in the Past.

like Anthro stated,

like the Official Marvel Handbook states

(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook 2006)

"Events which occur within the Dimension of Manifestations remain Represented there,

as the Realm exists Outside of normal time, this enables visitors to witness Past Events"

On Panel verification

Here's Anthropomorpho himself saying it.

"Our Dimension contains Reflections of Every Manifestation we have ever done"

Originally posted by leonidas
he says physicals because he's an abstract who uses mbodies -- he represents multiversal balance.

That's the first time I heard that,

from what I know about LT he's always maintained/safeguarded the Multiverse from Mystical Imbalance, never embodied it as I believe your suggesting.

Can you show me any instance where LT is stated to "Represent Multiversal Balance?"

I always thought LT "Represented" the Powers of TOAA?

There's my Proof.

Can you show me or direct me to yours?

"LT represents multiversal balance" ( as in embodies like an Abstract)

Originally posted by starlock
Quasar issue# 37 Page 27 Quasar is under attack AGAIN by Anomaly

i am just pointing out the answer is there

Way to go friend,

you just certified my side of the argument, thanx.

This conclusively proves that the Anomaly is acting out of his own volition,

instead of being ordered "telepathically Off Panel" (since it's never depicted)

by LT.

See we can squash silly animosity towards each other and make sense in the end together. 🙂

No more drama, from now on we learn together, what we're here for,
a new mark has been set, the future is bright.

Peace and Love yall ... wavey

Originally posted by Mr Master
Way to go friend,

you just certified my side of the argument, thanx.

This conclusively proves that the Anomaly is acting out of his own volition,

instead of being ordered "telepathically Off Panel" (since it's never depicted)

by LT.

See we can squash silly animosity towards each other and make sense in the end together. 🙂

No more drama, from now on we learn together, what we're here for,
a new mark has been set, the future is bright.

Peace and Love yall ... wavey

Excellent point 🙂 Everyone wants to learn. I hold in esteem, Mr. M and Galan. They are excellent teachers