Originally posted by guy222That still means that a Thanos somewhere in the multiverse fixed a flaw that LT didn't see... even if it's not canon, which it is.
I have the emails from Andy Schmidt and its not CanonHe's a gentleman and one of my many new Tweeters
It made no sense for Thanos to fix a flaw when his 2nd in command could have
I am not mad at Starlin because many writers have a star set to shine and Thanos was it
^ To be fair, Living Tribunal may have been ambivalent about the flaw as TOAA clearly meant for Thanos to fix it. Either way:
Originally posted by DigiNo Non-canon Sources
Non-canon sources are invalid for evidence. With rare exceptions, comics not in continuity such as Elseworlds, What Ifs, or alternate universes are not used for evidence in debates of a particular mainstream character.A canon source is one that is regarded as being 'in continuity'. In the example of Star Trek; instances from the series and movies can be used, but books are definitely out. Comic book crossovers are usually unusable as they ignore common sense most of the time (DC vs. Marvel is certainly unusable in some cases in our debates!).
This includes JLA/Avengers. Canon or not, people just aren't going to agree on it in most cases. Besides, there should be plenty of other comics with which to make your point.
Comics released strictly online or on web sites will not be considered proof in the Comic Book Versus Forum.
An obscure interview given by someone involved in a story arc is not proof to refute feats. There have been too many of these so called interviews which go against what's shown on panel. Especially when there is no dialogue to refute what's happening on panel. Most writers are clear with the intentions of the plot and story arc.
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On panel proof .... Marvel: The End is 100% canon! ... and directly with Reality 616!
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Marvel: The End #6 ...
Now .... 616 Thanos, in 616 Thanos' own 616 series,
explaining exactly what happened to him above above:
Thanos #1
The artist even goes out of his way to make the scenes identical.
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Thanos #1
Just like Thanos recounted key moments of his 616 experiences during the End:
Marvel: The End #5
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Thanos began his absorption from the 616 Reality! ... This is why he remembers.
"You & Gamora were outside This Reality,
tending Atleza, this Actuality's Cosmic Anchor"
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You (Warlock) were where?
Tending Atleza, THIS Reality's cosmic anchor.
Who?
Atleza.
Who's Atleza?
The 616 Reality Cosmic Anchor.
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Atleza .. IS the 616 Reality Cosmic Anchor: (official Marvel Handbook - 2006 - Atleza bio)
Atleza
History: ... A succession of beings
have secured Earth-616's Reality's proper place within the cosmic vortex...
Occupation: Anchor of Earth-616's Reality.
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Official Marvel Universe HandbookS, Marvel.com & Marvunapp all support the on panel evidence.
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Thanos 616 and his involvement in Marvel: The End:
THOTI and all that jazz:
(official Marvel Handbook - 2009 - Thanos bio)
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Here's Thanos' 2008 bio: (at the bottom)
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Thanos (coming to Handbooks this year)
" ... Known as the Heart of the Universe,
from which all energy physical and metaphysical emanates,
and thereby gained infinite power ...
... Thanos decided that the true sign of his ultimate power,
would be to destroy the universe
and become the One true Supreme Being ... "
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(This is from the actual Marvel Handbook Bio (winter) 2007) Lord Chaos & Master Order
"Chaos & Order opposed Thanos when he acquired the omnipotent Heart of the Infinite"
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(This is from the actual Marvel Handbook Bio 2006) - Eternity
"Thanos claimed the Power of THOTI,
Eternity opposed Thanos once more,
Thanos destroyed ALL of Reality"
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(This is from the actual Marvel Handbook Bio 2006) - Living Tribunal
"Thanos destroyed ALL that Existed with his power ...
and then Restored Reality"
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(This is from the actual Marvel Handbook Bio 2006) - Infinity
"Thanos used THOTI to destroy All Reality"
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Hey Mr Master. Have you got any handbook statements or on panel scenes that specifically mention multiverse or all realities when referring to the scale of the matter Thanos absorbed with the HOTI?
Just wondering because all of the on panel scenes and handbooks ive seen referred to just the universe. And if they didnt say universe they also just stated ambiguous references such as "all reality" or "all of reality" as opposed to all realities the plural. 😕
Given that the universe is a reality, both of those references fit in with it just being a universe. All of reality and all reality would just refer to all of the universe, not conclusively anything more. As does the fact that the series itself.
The fact that the power source is called the heart of the universe as well seems quite telling.
So without posting loads of scans trying to make an argument for the scale of the feat being any more than universal. All i ask is are you actually able to show us a single scan where it states specifically, explicitly and with no ambiguity that Thanos absorbed the entire multiverse, or even a reference to "all realities" would suffice.
Are you able to do that please Mr Master? 🙂
Thank you so much 👆
Originally posted by GalacticStormHey Mr Master. Have you got any handbook statements or on
panel scenes that specifically mention multiverse or all realities
when referring to the scale of the matter Thanos absorbed with the
HOTI?Just wondering because all of the on panel scenes and handbooks ive seen
referred to just the universe. And if they didnt say universe they also just stated
ambiguous references such as "all reality" or "all of reality" as opposed to all
realities the plural.
1. Omniverse
1. "Group of alternate universeS which encompasses All Reality"
Originally posted by GalacticStormGiven that the universe is a reality, both of those references fit in with it just being a
universe. All of reality and all reality would just refer to all of the universe, not
conclusively anything more. As does the fact that the series itself.
In this particular story, Marvel: The End, the context of the story engages several Realities.
We have the Celestial Order traveling across Universes to find their representatives like Akhenaten.
We have Akhenaten's sanctuary which was a blending of UniverseS.
We have references and depictions to Alternate Realities like Ancient Egypt,
We have Thanos embody a grain of sand in the distant Future.
We have Thanos embody a moment right after the Big Bang.
We also have Thanos absorbing more
after he had absorbed the sentient consciousness of Eternity/infinity.
Originally posted by GalacticStormThe fact that the power source is called the heart of the [B]universe as well seems quite telling.
The fact is ... it was called the "Heart of the Infinite"
It was Thanos himself who nicknamed it the Heart of the Universe.
Originally posted by GalacticStormSo without posting loads of scans trying to make an argument for the scale of the
feat being any more than universal. All i ask is are you actually able to show us a
single scan where it states specifically, explicitly and with no ambiguity that Thanos
absorbed the entire multiverse, or even a reference to "all realities" would suffice.
According to these guys, we're both wrong.
I say Thanos took out the Omniverse.
You say Thanos took out only 616.
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Let's let them tell ya what they see:
(The Heart of the Infinite) bio:
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/celestialorderthanos.htm#Heart
"Thanos foiled efforts to stop his plan by Eternity, the Living Tribunal etc ...
but he also Obliterated the Multiverse in the process"
"Thanos did so, using the Heart's power to Re-Create the Multiverse
bereft of the flaw that would have destroyed it"
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Or ... Jim Starlin (Writer/Creator of "The End: Marvel")
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Jim Starlin interview:
http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=36&t=000382
"Thanos and the resurrected Pharaoh Akhenaten compete for the ultimate power"
"Figured if I was going to kill off the entire Marvel Universe
it ought to be the real thing[/size][/i]"
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You're welcome, although, I'm not discussing this any further,
and I don't care anymore really.
I posted on this page to prove Marvel: The End was Canon, that's it.
Not really meeting the requirement of my post to be honest. Marvel does define omniverse as all reality, but the actual description given was "group of alternate universes which comprises all reality". The term all reality is therefore put into context, its an ambiguous term.
Given that on panel and in the handbooks the scale of the matter is only referred to as universal, then instances where they use "all reality" or "all of reality" are similarly put into context.
Marvunapp is a very useful site and i use it a lot to gain information so i dont blame you for using it, however a good thing to remember is it is not the word of marvel its an unofficial site comprised of comic fans and some of the handbook writers. It is unofficial opinion.
If their opinion matches up with what is stated on panel and in the handbook entries that actually make print then yes its extra backing for your argument. However when it conflicts with on panel statements and handbook entries that actually make print then it is as conclusive as wikipedia.
Furthermore, Thanos as the wielder of the power gained gained infinite knowledge, he was one with reality, so if he refers to it as the heart of the universe, then as the wielder that is very telling. You cant pick and choose which of his statements you accept according to what fits in with how you want to interpret a story.
Let me know when you find any official source or on panel statement specifically referring to multiverse or all realities in reference to the scale of the matter absorbed by Thanos.
Thank you 👆
Originally posted by Galan007
@ Mr M...Regarding the canonicity of The End, you could have simply posted this:
...And been done with it. Just saying.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Furthermore, Thanos as the wielder of the power gained gained
infinite knowledge, he was one with reality, so if he refers to it as the
heart of the universe, then as the wielder that is very telling. You cant
pick and choose which of his statements you accept according to what
fits in with how you want to interpret a story.
But as far as Thanos calling it the "Heart of the Infinite" .. which is was stated he literally "dubbed"
... he did so before he gained it so your nit-pick isn't working this time friend. 🙂
By the time Thanos acquired it, he was equating it to "GOD" forget puny universe.
Anyway, the shit is called The "Heart of the Infinite"
In Handbook Bios, Marvel.com, On Panel in the story and in Marvunapp.
@MR MASTER-
Even Galans scan that you'll willingly accept to bolster your argument that this story is canon (which i dont disagree with) also refers to the very universal power and feat accomplished by the HOTI-
"The cosmic powers of the universe attacked Thanos, who acidentally destroyed the universe.....However Thanos recreated the universe
Originally posted by Galan007
@ Mr M...Regarding the canonicity of The End, you could have simply posted this:
...And been done with it. Just saying. 😉
Officially in explicit terms with no ambiguity the scale of the feat was universal.
I ask again can you provide a non ambiguous official statement that refers to the multiverse or all realities when talking of the scale of the feat? 😕
Originally posted by GalacticStormDon't drag me into this crap. My scan was clearly not meant to describe scale of any kind.
Officially in explicit terms with no ambiguity the scale of the feat was universal.I ask again can you provide a non ambiguous official statement that refers to the multiverse or all realities when talking of the scale of the feat? 😕
As I explicitly stated: it was only meant to prove that The End is canon to mainstream Marvel. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Originally posted by Galan007
Don't drag me into this crap. My scan was clearly not meant to describe scale of any kind.As I explicitly stated: it was only meant to prove that The End is canon to mainstream Marvel. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Im not dragging you into anything mate so take your attitude elsewhere blowup
You posted a scan which states the point i was trying to make explicitly, that's where your usefulness to me begins and ends.
Originally posted by GalacticStormMr M embraces your incessant condescension. I won't. 🙂
Im not dragging you into anything mate so take your attitude elsewhere blowupYou posted a scan which states the point i was trying to make explicitly, that's where your usefulness to me begins and ends.
More on point: I posted a scan for the sole purpose of proving that The End is canon to mainstream Marvel (which some on this very page have debated.) I made that very clear. You replied to that post/scan with:
Originally posted by GalacticStorm...Whether you realize it or not, you were attempting to pull me into a crappy argument that I was certainly not trying to partake in. That is all.
Officially in explicit terms with no ambiguity the scale of the feat was universal.I ask again can you provide a non ambiguous official statement that refers to the multiverse or all realities when talking of the scale of the feat?
